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1898 Book "War of the Worlds" Reflects Conservative View of 9-11
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Posted on 07/06/2005 4:04:26 AM PDT by GermanBusiness

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1 posted on 07/06/2005 4:04:27 AM PDT by GermanBusiness
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To: GermanBusiness
Do you work for Spielberg?
2 posted on 07/06/2005 4:15:43 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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To: GermanBusiness
It is also free here.
 
Project Gutenburg has 16,000 free ebooks on line to read.  Web site here.
 
I copy them to Microsoft word and save them for later off line reading.  I also have put them on my PDA for reading at the docs office.

3 posted on 07/06/2005 4:15:51 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: GermanBusiness
Wells would have nothing of the leftist concept that it was useless to try to stop the enemy

I finally saw the movie last night and I didn't pick up on any of this. I would have preferred to follow the action rather then Tom Cruise's loser character, but the message was not about apathy at all. There were alot of plot goofs, and society seemed to melt into disorder way too rapidly (that was the real liberal bias in the movie); but, there was resistence all along. It would have been better if we could have pull back from the front lines once in a while to get a glimps of how the battle strategy was developing (the older kid would have made an excellent vehicle for this) but then Tom wouldn't have been able to keep his face in every scene, and we all know that is how his movies always go.
4 posted on 07/06/2005 4:20:52 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: GermanBusiness
...I was able to read the entire 1898 novel "War of the Worlds" in 6 hours.

Thanks for saving me 6 hours, which I don't have. Good review and thoughts.

5 posted on 07/06/2005 4:30:07 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: GermanBusiness

Outstanding post. Brought back a lot of memories. I cut my teeth on Verne and Wells and was hooked on SiFi. Have not seen the latest movie but your post will get me there.

It has been said many times, but yesterdays liberal is not like todays. Most "liberals" back then were interested in reform and the Church was with them. Today, the Church is still liberal in the old sense but one who says they are liberal are more socialist and against both God and country.

It is interesting how times have changed.

BTW, welcome to FR and I look forward to more of your exceptional posts.


6 posted on 07/06/2005 4:30:18 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: ARCADIA
I thought the ending was marvelous.

The special effects were great.

You are on target with man melting down into chaos.

7 posted on 07/06/2005 4:34:08 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: KeyWest
OT.

Are you from Key West? I visited KW last November for the first time and fell in love (with the area). I'm sure that is a common reaction for 1st time visitors.

8 posted on 07/06/2005 4:34:16 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: GermanBusiness
Well done! Some of your historical facts are new to me so the next reading will have more context to it.

Bookmarking.

9 posted on 07/06/2005 4:36:15 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA and SAS) WI Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: GermanBusiness

I'll admit, the H.M.S. THUNDERCHILD episode struck a chord in me when I read the book as a kid, and still rings true to this day. Jeff Wayne's musical version of the WotW presented an excellent dramatization of the THUNDERCHILD's attack, success, sacrifice, and loss.

10 posted on 07/06/2005 4:39:53 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.)
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To: GermanBusiness

I read this years ago back in the 80's and I thought it was extremely boring. After your review, I may have another go at it.


11 posted on 07/06/2005 4:49:28 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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The scientologist freak kills the survivalist because the survivalist is rambling on about he is the "resistance" and how they will beat the aliens.

By the way, the movie is truly awful. Wish I had my 9 bucks back.


12 posted on 07/06/2005 5:38:33 AM PDT by quiet_vet
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Awful is right!

I felt like I was watching the latest made for tv movie about how the disfunctional family deals with the latest tragedy.

I was bored with the dialog about 10 minutes into it and the number of inconsistancys/impossibles(like buried machines for 1 million years) kept me wondering if speilburg was on drugs or off???

btw, if they could bring the machines a million years ago, why didn't they take the planet then?

13 posted on 07/06/2005 6:22:31 AM PDT by cb
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The scientologist freak kills the survivalist because the survivalist is rambling on about he is the "resistance" and how they will beat the aliens.

That is not how I remember it; have you seen the movie?
14 posted on 07/06/2005 6:42:42 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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bookmarking


15 posted on 07/06/2005 6:50:04 AM PDT by BJClinton (I bend the microphone to the furthest point like a Germanic tribesman)
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To: cb
Awful is right!

It would have been an excellent movie if they had killed Cruise and his kids in the first 3 seconds of the film. What ever they paid them was a complete waste of budget. The closest comparison I can up with for the Cruise character is the cartoon Pink Panter, and Cruise somehow even manages to make him completely uncharismatic. The kind of guy who is lucky enough to hit the big powerball lottery prize every single day; and then blow it every night with absolutely nothing to show for it. What a loser.
16 posted on 07/06/2005 6:52:42 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: GermanBusiness

Black Smoke bump


17 posted on 07/06/2005 7:00:18 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: ARCADIA

Actually, the Spielberg version has a more positive view of military anti-Martian defense than the 1950s version (where they were totally helpless).


18 posted on 07/06/2005 7:04:22 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: ARCADIA

Survivalist? I didn't get the impression he was playing survivalist. Only a nutty former tax driver who stocked up some food after the attack. Survivalists are made of sterner stuff than that!


19 posted on 07/06/2005 7:05:36 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: cb

More on how the book's conservatism differs from the movies and the leftists of the post-911 world:

1) Leftists of the modern era cannot conceive of a realistic plot for a war of civilizations and so they don't believe one exists and won't prepare to fight as a result. This way of thinking is reflected in the way the WOTW movies are clearly presenting civilizational clashes as unrealistic fantasy. The book, on the other hand, was in 1898, a clear warning to the British that the Germans (for instance) could develop tanks and airplanes and perfect gas warfare and annihilate England out of a simple desire to have resources that Britain controls. The book's message that others can and will "attack us out of envy" is very realistic. I am sure that the book was seriously studied at Sandhurst and other military academies in the days before WW1. The 1898 book is more of a help IMHO in conceptualizing the war on terror than the 2005 movie is (despite the fact that I think Spielberg did a respectable job of evoking some of the post 9-11 unity and spirit - I do recommend the Spielberg movie, but rue the fact that Spielberg obviously felt the need to display Americans as a "dysfunctional family").

2) Leftists don't see Islamists as having a motive to fight the west other than their own projected motive of "defeating western conservative thought." This leftist unwillingness to pinpoint a realistic motive for our enemies (Vietnam, Iraq) is possibly reflected in the movies' not bothering to pinpoint a motive for the aliens. The 1898 WOTW book, on the other hand, goes into extensive detail about what the motives for the war were (dwindling resources on Mars, humans as a food source).

3) Leftists don't want to see how Islamists (and the "insurgency" in Iraq) are constantly having to change tactics in the war on terror because the other tactics were not working. You will never hear a leftist journalist say "suicide bombings are being used now because the insurgents are afraid of direct confrontations with US and Iraqi troops". This is because leftists don't want to believe that our enemies actually can be defeated militarily (meaning they have tactics that fail). This is definitely reflected in the way the WOTW movies show the alien tactics to be successful from start to finish. The message is supposed to be that our enemies will only defeat themselves or diplomacy, like bacteria, will defeat them. In the book, however, the tripods have NO FORCE FIELDS and the heat rays cannot always stop those humans who can successfully hide a cannon in a concealed trench and fire at a tripod from close range. The Martians are forced to regroup and change tactics, just like Al Qaeda. Scientists in the book examine gas residues to try to figure out how the British population can survive a future gas attack. The book clearly states that England would have had a chance if it had prepared and that England can prepare and defeat the Martians if they try again (presumably by innoculating themselves first against bacteria). The book ends with the Martians having seemingly given up on attacking Earth and trying to invade Venus instead. This reflects the very conservative point of view that the best way to defeat an enemy is to make it "not worth it" for the enemy to choose you as their enemy, but rather to choose someone else instead (we defeated the Nazis and later the Werewolf insurgency by directing Germans' attention on the "Red Threat"). Just as HG Wells had the Martians deciding that the Venusians were possibly easier to conquer than the Earthlings, it is likely because of our policy of defeating Al Qaeda militarily in Iraq that Zarkawi is now announcing that the "Shiites are Al Qaeda's real enemy". Metaphorically, for Al Qaeda, Venus may be easier to defeat than Earth. Wells understood this concept.

4) Leftists believe our enemies are always innumerable and constantly multiplying so it is no use to fight them. Both WOTW movies give this impression and they may as well have been named "The Slaughter of the World" instead of "War of the Worlds". The book, on the other hand, has a small force of 10-15 tripods with a grand total of about 50 Martians attack England and this force takes 25-40% casualties of its machines (but can repair some of these machines and build new ones) during what could be termed an actual "war". The HMS Thunderchild delivers the enemy a 15-20% loss with one heroic act that gives thousands of British the chance to escape across the English Channel.

The point is clearly made that the 50 Martians that attacked would not have been able to receive reinforcements until Mars and Earth were in opposition again (I think that means every 7 years or every 3 years?).

On military issues: the book "War of the Worlds" predicts Dunquerque 42 years later (via the Thunderchild episode) but with the British saving themselves in the opposite direction while brave members of the military fight a desperate rearguard action. I am wondering if any of the defenders at Dunquerque actually thought about how they were playing the role of the ironclad HMS Thunderchild from a novel they would have read as children. The success of the fictional lowlying ironclad HMS Thunderchild against the Martian tripods may have convinced a lot of children to grow up to be military submarine warfare experts.

HG Wells predicted in WOTW that:

1) Air Supremacy is paramount in war
2) Surface ships (and wooden ships) are vulnerable on oceans in war
3) Gas warfare can and would be used to horrific effect
4) Lasers would someday replace bullets

He is still ahead of his time and, thus, worth reading a lot more than Spielberg is worth watching. Again...I do recommend the new movie and, no, I don't work for Spielberg.

Interesting note: I thought that posting on this was wasting important business time...but I just spoke with an older British customer on the subject of the Thunderchild and he ordered a lot of products from me afterwards. I guess, to many British people, the "memory" of the fictional Thunderchild is still pretty powerful. Spielberg could have had an American submarine save passenger ships in a similar manner in his new film...but he chose not to have what could have been his most famous scene since the one in Saving Private Ryan where Tom Hanks takes a bullet for Matt Damon in a raging battle and then whispers "make this worth it." Maybe there were plans for a Thunderchild scene but the leftists in Hollywood convinced Spielberg not to have such heroics displayed as having been "worth it".

Which brings me to a major point about the book: HG Wells spends an entire chapter on how the Martians would eventually recruit humans to be traitors against their own kind and help harvest other humans for food. He describes leftists perfectly in this chapter. The hero listens to the artilleryman explain how this would happen...and the hero realizes to his horror that it would actually happen. Please read it! HG Wells predicted, in 1898, that the likes of Michael Moore would exist.

It is not for nothing that survey questions on Operation Iraqi Freedom concentrate on "was it worth it." This is an effort by those who would divert attention from all the civilians who have avoided death in blown up airplanes and buildings because the enemy was occupied by our Thunderchilds. They want us to go to sleep so we can be harvested without resisting, just like Wells predicted. Then again, I don't want to sound like the artilleryman. Wells had the hero walking away from him because he did not want to dwell on paranoia too much. :-)


20 posted on 07/06/2005 7:18:28 AM PDT by GermanBusiness
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