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Really Cool Invention Brings Teens Awards (Amazing Kids-Invented What GM Couldn't)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 07/06/2005 | Jessica Ravitz

Posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:43 AM PDT by skyman

Really cool invention brings teens awards Physics students: They came up with an environmentally friendly, economical air conditioner By Jessica Ravitz The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake Tribune

BLUFFDALE - The code name, Space Beast, was one they came up with in the wee hours of the night.

Tyler Lyon, Daniel Winegar and Chad Thornley were overtired and giddy as they tackled a science fair project. Their idea: Eliminate the use of Freon in automobile air-conditioning systems by relying on the Peltier effect - of course.

"We aren't planning our lives around making air conditioners," Lyon explained. "We wanted to do something to help the environment and the economy."

But what began as a Riverton High School physics class assignment nearly two years ago has morphed into an award-winning, internationally recognized invention.

Lyon and Winegar, two recent Riverton graduates - Thornley graduated in 2004 and is now on an LDS Church mission - won the first-ever Ricoh Sustainable Development Award in May when they competed against 1,400 other worldwide invitation-only entries at the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in Phoenix.

Aside from the $50,000 college scholarship the two 18-year-olds will share, the budding engineers are jetting off to Japan today for a 10-day visit on Ricoh's dime. The office equipment and electronics company, a leader in the field of sustainable development, has invited the Utahns to attend the World Expo, address Ricoh executives, tour their research and development lab, meet with government officials - including the Minister of the Environment - and sit down with Tokyo University professors.

"It's been a total, unbelievable dream," marveled Tyler's mom, Diane Lyon, last week. "They're just typical boys. But when someone believes in you, amazing things can happen."

Physics teacher Kari Lewis, who recently left Riverton High, said trusting in Lyon and Winegar was easy.

"They came up with this idea . . . and they made it work," she said. "It's a perfect solution to an incredible problem."

Today, the young inventors say, U.S. drivers use about 7.9 billion gallons of fuel each year to run their air-conditioners, which draw power from the engine. By adopting their contraption - which taps into the electrical system, using fans to blow hot air through five Peltier chips and then releasing cold air - they say the country stands to save 3.9 billion gallons of fuel annually, or about $10 billion based on current gas prices.

Furthermore, the product would free drivers from Freon - which despite improvements, remains an ozone-depleting chemical in current air-conditioners. The Peltier chips, which they purchased on eBay for $9.99 each, have a life span of 20 to 30 years and an unfaltering cooling capacity. And like every component in the Space Beast, which can be minimized in size to about 2 inches in width, the chips are recyclable.

As a young boy, Lyon's parents said he tore apart and reassembled household electronics - CD players, clocks, an old stereo that didn't work until he fixed it. And while Daniel's mom, LouAnn Winegar, was grateful her son was "not a take-apart-person," she said her boy's love for science, engineering and computers has been consistent.

"It's nice to see all of his years of interest and hard work being recognized," she said.

The two-year process of fine-tuning, however, was not without its glitches. When the teens were trying to convert a blow-dryer fan from AC to DC power, a miswiring gave Lyon a doozy of a shock - "a low-enough amp that it couldn't really stop my heart," he said. And there was that computer power strip that they managed to ignite, before throwing it outside in the snow, only to retrieve it two days later to recycle its parts.

Despite the setbacks, and bouts of procrastination, the teens didn't give up. When they weren't playing computer games, skiing, snowboarding or, in Lyon's case, rock-climbing, they buckled down, sometimes working through the night. Their focus nearly cost them graduation - they had to scramble to make up work in other classes - but they accomplished what others couldn't.

After they had already begun their work, Lyon and Winegar learned about a 1964 General Motors analysis that explored the idea before the car company concluded it wasn't possible.

Going in with open minds, however, the teens were not deterred and pulled off what GM rejected. "Nobody told them it couldn't be done," Robert Lyon, Tyler's dad, said.

The first time he felt a cold gust of air successfully come through the system, Winegar said he remembers saying: "We may actually have something here."

Looks like they do. A Salt Lake City attorney is working to secure a patent. The Environmental Protection Agency called to express interest Tuesday morning. And though repeated attempts to communicate with Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. have gone unanswered, high officials in Japan - an ocean away - are awaiting the arrival of Riverton's young inventors.


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To: coloradan
Im done with this.

The rotor of an alternator does NOT become harder to turn as the electrical load increases. That is the ONLY point that matters when talking about this particular subject and this particular use.

It does NOT take more energy to turn the rotor of an alternator 2500 RPM when you change the electrical conditions of the load connected to its output.
121 posted on 07/06/2005 10:55:38 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: OnTheDress

I've seen those three colored lights in action on some school buses. They're confusing as all get out. Good thing that idea died!


122 posted on 07/06/2005 10:57:12 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: Wombat101
There is no generator, they were replaced decades ago with alternators, the alternator recharges the battery and is on the same bus with the battery. When the bus voltage falls lower than the source of the highest voltage on the bus that source provides the system power. Sometimes it may be the battery but most of the time when the engine is running it is the alternator.
123 posted on 07/06/2005 10:58:28 AM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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To: TalonDJ
"So... they are dumping the heat where? outside? on a hot day? Efficient?"

When you drive a car down the road (and ultimately stop), 100% of the energy in the gasoline is turned into heat and dumped into the atmosphere.

124 posted on 07/06/2005 10:59:10 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: myself6
There was NO EFFECT on the mechanical load of the engine...

Of course there is, how do you think regenerative braking works in hybrids?

125 posted on 07/06/2005 10:59:33 AM PDT by Ranxerox
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To: myself6
"It does NOT take more energy to turn the rotor of an alternator 2500 RPM when you change the electrical conditions of the load connected to its output."

It is best that you confine your comments to politics.

126 posted on 07/06/2005 11:01:53 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: from occupied ga
You can take your comments about "ignorance" and "stupidity" and shove them right up your Back woods Ga ASS.


You explain to me how the electrical load of the alternator makes it more difficult to turn the rotor.
127 posted on 07/06/2005 11:02:55 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: TalonDJ

I imagine the plan is to dump the heat into the car's coolant system. It's the only logical place for it to go since liquid removes heat far more efficiently than air.


128 posted on 07/06/2005 11:05:10 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: myself6
"It does NOT take more energy to turn the rotor of an alternator 2500 RPM when you change the electrical conditions of the load connected to its output."

I believe that in order to increase that amperage that the alternator puts out, it increases the magnetic field strength that the conductors must pass through and that is what causes the alternator to become harder to turn.

129 posted on 07/06/2005 11:06:11 AM PDT by Jonx6
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To: BallandPowder

You may be right. The alternator just may simply sieze up when the cooling system draws 100 kilowatts.


130 posted on 07/06/2005 11:08:09 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: norwaypinesavage; Ranxerox; JAKraig
Fine....

Then please enlighten me. ANYONE...


Under what conditions does the electrical load of an alternator make it harder to turn the rotor?

Is there some type of buildup of the magnetic flux field that works against the rotation of the rotor?


Im willing to admit I don't know something but ONLY if you can adequately explain it.
131 posted on 07/06/2005 11:08:14 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: absolootezer0

More info please. What did you replace the AC with?


132 posted on 07/06/2005 11:09:41 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: myself6

And I’m not talking about the permanent magnet fields; I am talking about the electrically created ones.


133 posted on 07/06/2005 11:10:36 AM PDT by Jonx6
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To: skyman

I really think this is awesome. I mean, this is Thomas Edison type American inventiveness. I hope they focus on fusion, teleportation and faster-than-light space engines next.


134 posted on 07/06/2005 11:12:37 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Jonx6

I believe the PMG electricity is what is used to create the more powerful magnetic fields in the alternator.


135 posted on 07/06/2005 11:13:39 AM PDT by Jonx6
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To: Jonx6
Understood.

My problem here is that I don't see how the rotor becomes more difficult to turn.

I guess there could be some properties of electromagnetism that work against the rotation as the field increases do to increased current flow. That would be the ONLY way it COULD get harder to turn.
136 posted on 07/06/2005 11:14:48 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: null and void

yup , they're on a good course


137 posted on 07/06/2005 11:15:31 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Arkie2
Right, liquid transfer heat faster at the same temperature differences that gas does. Guess what temperature that coolant system is already at? Here is a hint, don't pull off the radiator cap when the car has been driven recently. You can't 'dump heat' into something that is hotter than you are.

If they want to dump heat via a liquid then need a new independent closed loop liquid heat transfer system. But no matter HOW good that transfer system is they can only get the other end down to ambient temperature.
138 posted on 07/06/2005 11:15:32 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: norton
What are the odds that somone in the know might tell the rest of us (me) what a Peltier Chip actually is?

A peliter device is a string of diodes hooked together and oriented so that all the P sides of the diodes attach to one plate and all the N sides attache to the opposite plate. The heat is transferred from one side to the other by the motion of the majority carriers in the diodes.

I have used them many times to cool laser diodes and they are terribly inefficient. Without running the numbers I would expect that you would burn more gas powering these than running a standard AC.

regards,

139 posted on 07/06/2005 11:17:03 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Fnord!)
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To: myself6

An alternator consists of a rotating magnetic field inside several coils of wire. The rotating field generates electricity in the coils. Even at a constant RPM, if the voltage regulator senses the need for more electrical output, it increases the strength of the magnetic field. Therefore, it takes more torque to turn the field, and hence, more engine power to turn the alternator. The input energy to the alternator is directly related to the output energy that the alternator is making. More energy out requires more energy in, even at a constant RPM.


140 posted on 07/06/2005 11:17:21 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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