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Really Cool Invention Brings Teens Awards (Amazing Kids-Invented What GM Couldn't)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 07/06/2005 | Jessica Ravitz

Posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:43 AM PDT by skyman

Really cool invention brings teens awards Physics students: They came up with an environmentally friendly, economical air conditioner By Jessica Ravitz The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake Tribune

BLUFFDALE - The code name, Space Beast, was one they came up with in the wee hours of the night.

Tyler Lyon, Daniel Winegar and Chad Thornley were overtired and giddy as they tackled a science fair project. Their idea: Eliminate the use of Freon in automobile air-conditioning systems by relying on the Peltier effect - of course.

"We aren't planning our lives around making air conditioners," Lyon explained. "We wanted to do something to help the environment and the economy."

But what began as a Riverton High School physics class assignment nearly two years ago has morphed into an award-winning, internationally recognized invention.

Lyon and Winegar, two recent Riverton graduates - Thornley graduated in 2004 and is now on an LDS Church mission - won the first-ever Ricoh Sustainable Development Award in May when they competed against 1,400 other worldwide invitation-only entries at the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in Phoenix.

Aside from the $50,000 college scholarship the two 18-year-olds will share, the budding engineers are jetting off to Japan today for a 10-day visit on Ricoh's dime. The office equipment and electronics company, a leader in the field of sustainable development, has invited the Utahns to attend the World Expo, address Ricoh executives, tour their research and development lab, meet with government officials - including the Minister of the Environment - and sit down with Tokyo University professors.

"It's been a total, unbelievable dream," marveled Tyler's mom, Diane Lyon, last week. "They're just typical boys. But when someone believes in you, amazing things can happen."

Physics teacher Kari Lewis, who recently left Riverton High, said trusting in Lyon and Winegar was easy.

"They came up with this idea . . . and they made it work," she said. "It's a perfect solution to an incredible problem."

Today, the young inventors say, U.S. drivers use about 7.9 billion gallons of fuel each year to run their air-conditioners, which draw power from the engine. By adopting their contraption - which taps into the electrical system, using fans to blow hot air through five Peltier chips and then releasing cold air - they say the country stands to save 3.9 billion gallons of fuel annually, or about $10 billion based on current gas prices.

Furthermore, the product would free drivers from Freon - which despite improvements, remains an ozone-depleting chemical in current air-conditioners. The Peltier chips, which they purchased on eBay for $9.99 each, have a life span of 20 to 30 years and an unfaltering cooling capacity. And like every component in the Space Beast, which can be minimized in size to about 2 inches in width, the chips are recyclable.

As a young boy, Lyon's parents said he tore apart and reassembled household electronics - CD players, clocks, an old stereo that didn't work until he fixed it. And while Daniel's mom, LouAnn Winegar, was grateful her son was "not a take-apart-person," she said her boy's love for science, engineering and computers has been consistent.

"It's nice to see all of his years of interest and hard work being recognized," she said.

The two-year process of fine-tuning, however, was not without its glitches. When the teens were trying to convert a blow-dryer fan from AC to DC power, a miswiring gave Lyon a doozy of a shock - "a low-enough amp that it couldn't really stop my heart," he said. And there was that computer power strip that they managed to ignite, before throwing it outside in the snow, only to retrieve it two days later to recycle its parts.

Despite the setbacks, and bouts of procrastination, the teens didn't give up. When they weren't playing computer games, skiing, snowboarding or, in Lyon's case, rock-climbing, they buckled down, sometimes working through the night. Their focus nearly cost them graduation - they had to scramble to make up work in other classes - but they accomplished what others couldn't.

After they had already begun their work, Lyon and Winegar learned about a 1964 General Motors analysis that explored the idea before the car company concluded it wasn't possible.

Going in with open minds, however, the teens were not deterred and pulled off what GM rejected. "Nobody told them it couldn't be done," Robert Lyon, Tyler's dad, said.

The first time he felt a cold gust of air successfully come through the system, Winegar said he remembers saying: "We may actually have something here."

Looks like they do. A Salt Lake City attorney is working to secure a patent. The Environmental Protection Agency called to express interest Tuesday morning. And though repeated attempts to communicate with Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. have gone unanswered, high officials in Japan - an ocean away - are awaiting the arrival of Riverton's young inventors.


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To: absolootezer0
Modern AC comperessors have electronic clutches on the the drive pully.

When they are disengaged only the pully spins.

I on the the other hand know how to build an AC for a car that runs without drive power.

Just put another heat engine between the cooling system and ambiant. Use the power output from this to turn a regular AC compressor. Viola free AC.

Of course every auto maker know how to do this also. The costs for the heat engine are prohibitive. For those of you without an engineering backgroud. Heat engine == device using a working fluid used to eather make energy from a heat differential or pump heat using energy. Basically you build a 'steam' engine to run off the radiator heat.

201 posted on 07/06/2005 1:06:33 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: myself6

It takes energy to move that wire through the magnetic field. The greater load on the wire the greater the force required. If an alternator is putting out say 20 amps at 14.5 Volts, it is going to require at least (20*14.5)/746 = .39 Horsepower to drive it. More with losses. If it puts out 40 amps it will need .78 horsepower input. It is unavoidable.


202 posted on 07/06/2005 1:06:43 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
480 AC costs more fuel then the regular kind of AC.

Increased drag.

203 posted on 07/06/2005 1:07:47 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Dinsdale

Does a convertible with the top down have the same or greater drag than a car with all four windows down?


204 posted on 07/06/2005 1:13:10 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Dinsdale

i know. but it still a couple of pounds of weight that can be lost, and a few less inches on the belt, which will turn the other pulleys faster.


205 posted on 07/06/2005 1:16:58 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: skyman
All of physics relies on size except for nuclear devices.

There is no way that a practical A/C system can be made to cool the interior of a full size car using any sort of Peltier chip without the chip surface area approximating the dimensions of the area to be cooled that I can imagine.

I will need more information and a demonstrable device to be convinced.

206 posted on 07/06/2005 1:17:15 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I'm suprised that after nearly 200 posts someone has not mentioned the 480 system that I have on my car. Four windows down and 80 miles an hour.

The "240" system works almost as well - and you can still hear the radio!

207 posted on 07/06/2005 1:19:00 PM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I'd have to guess. But it would depend on the details of the car design (assuming you mean to compare apples to apples). Do you get better milage with the top up or down?

At highway speeds it is usually more efficent to run the AC vs opening the windows.

But top down is more fun/gallon.

208 posted on 07/06/2005 1:19:49 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: norton
I don't know if anyone replied but a Pelletier cooler is also known as a TE cooler as in thermoelectric cooler. It works on the principle of the thermoelectric effect of dissimilar materials like a thermocouple wherein a thermocouple (TC) generates a voltage proportional to the temperature gradient between the junction of the dissimilar materials and where the voltage is detected. A TE cooler operates by powering dissimilar materials with a DC current and the materials will either absorb heat (get cool) or radiate heat (from the side that is cooler). Changing the polarity of the current reverses the cooling effect.

The best non-semiconductor materials were and are bismuth and antimony for the thermoelectric materials. TE coolers rely on an amorphous semiconductor junction.

It is unlikely that such an invention would be of any benefit as a typical auto AC unit has at least a 12,000 BTU capacity which would equal about 3.5 kW or about 5 HP. Since a typical 2 inch TE cooler component uses about 35 Watts one would need about 100 pieces and figure out a way to cool the hot side and deliver cabin air to the cool sides to circulate. It ain't gonna happen.
209 posted on 07/06/2005 1:21:40 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: absolootezer0
Other pulleys are the same speed unless you change the pulley sizes.

But I get your point about wheeling. For the the weight of my AC I could bring along another case of beer.

210 posted on 07/06/2005 1:24:04 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: tickmeister

Too sensitive to motion.


211 posted on 07/06/2005 1:26:12 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: absolootezer0

You are so wrong!


212 posted on 07/06/2005 1:28:15 PM PDT by JAKraig (Joseph Kraig)
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To: FastCoyote

185/746=~1/4 H.P.


213 posted on 07/06/2005 1:28:57 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: norton

The Pelteir Effect is the opposite of the Seebeck Effect.


214 posted on 07/06/2005 1:30:33 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: jess35
I imagine their design uses the engine heat as a "bath;" as the electrical current flows through the chip along the one conductor that is in the bath the opposite side of the chip surface (a dissimilar metal) becomes cool proportionately to the heat of the bath and this cool surface would need to be in the airflow of the fan(s) directing the cooled air through the cabin.

My big problem has to do with the surface area of the chip(s) vs the cubic volume of space being chilled.

Condensate control would also be a factor, but perhaps they are using bonded finned-sinks within a housing.

It would be nice to see an engineering diagram.

215 posted on 07/06/2005 1:39:22 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Charles Martel
I'm suprised that after nearly 200 posts someone has not mentioned the 480 system that I have on my car. Four windows down and 80 miles an hour. The "240" system works almost as well - and you can still hear the radio!

I still remember my dad cussing the engineer who took the vent windows out of his 71 Dodge Demon. His air conditioner failed. We were driving to the lake on the expressway with all the windows down. He was muttering to himself ,"75 mph with all the windows down and you could light a MFing candle and put it on the daskboard." The backseat was windy as hell but the fronts seat was devoid of wind.

216 posted on 07/06/2005 1:39:22 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: myself6

The electrical load is linear to the horsepower demand; 746 watts equals one horsepower minus frictional and resistive losses.


217 posted on 07/06/2005 1:41:04 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Old Professer

You are right on. The other thing is an airconditioner for a car has to large enough to cool a good size house. A car is a steel and glass uninsulated greenhouse that has to be cooled from 130+ inside temps to 70 in a reasonable time.


218 posted on 07/06/2005 1:41:56 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: coloradan

Thermocouple.


219 posted on 07/06/2005 1:43:08 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: myself6
I don't know if anyone tried to explain why an alternator becomes harder to turn with an increased electrical load but I will try.

Think of a load on the alternator as a demand for current, forget voltage. Current is the same when measured from any place in a circuit so the current going through the main fuse box is the same as the current in the stator of the alternator (if the stator is the output winding). As more current is demanded by turning on lights for example more current must surge through the alternator and that current comes from the induction caused by the rotor, which is energized by the battery/electrical system and spun by the engine. If the engine did not spin there would be no induction and no current but in an alternator there is a greater reluctance for the rotor to spin as the current increases. A simple example test would be to take a model or toy DC motor and hold in your hand and spin it, then connect the electrical leads together and give it another spin. You will find it harder to spin it when connected. Now, take a voltmeter and attach it to the leads and give it a spin. You will get a voltage generated. Now spin it faster and you will see a higher voltage. Since the circuit has a resistance a higher current (faster spinning) will cause more voltage to be generated as the equation for this is V (or E)=I*R or voltage is current times resistance. So in a car, increasing load is reducing resistance while the voltage regulator is maintaining voltage the current must go up. The load on the alternator goes up, the reluctance to turning goes up hence the power to generate the electrical power must go up.
220 posted on 07/06/2005 1:44:35 PM PDT by Final Authority
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