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Really Cool Invention Brings Teens Awards (Amazing Kids-Invented What GM Couldn't)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 07/06/2005 | Jessica Ravitz

Posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:43 AM PDT by skyman

Really cool invention brings teens awards Physics students: They came up with an environmentally friendly, economical air conditioner By Jessica Ravitz The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake Tribune

BLUFFDALE - The code name, Space Beast, was one they came up with in the wee hours of the night.

Tyler Lyon, Daniel Winegar and Chad Thornley were overtired and giddy as they tackled a science fair project. Their idea: Eliminate the use of Freon in automobile air-conditioning systems by relying on the Peltier effect - of course.

"We aren't planning our lives around making air conditioners," Lyon explained. "We wanted to do something to help the environment and the economy."

But what began as a Riverton High School physics class assignment nearly two years ago has morphed into an award-winning, internationally recognized invention.

Lyon and Winegar, two recent Riverton graduates - Thornley graduated in 2004 and is now on an LDS Church mission - won the first-ever Ricoh Sustainable Development Award in May when they competed against 1,400 other worldwide invitation-only entries at the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in Phoenix.

Aside from the $50,000 college scholarship the two 18-year-olds will share, the budding engineers are jetting off to Japan today for a 10-day visit on Ricoh's dime. The office equipment and electronics company, a leader in the field of sustainable development, has invited the Utahns to attend the World Expo, address Ricoh executives, tour their research and development lab, meet with government officials - including the Minister of the Environment - and sit down with Tokyo University professors.

"It's been a total, unbelievable dream," marveled Tyler's mom, Diane Lyon, last week. "They're just typical boys. But when someone believes in you, amazing things can happen."

Physics teacher Kari Lewis, who recently left Riverton High, said trusting in Lyon and Winegar was easy.

"They came up with this idea . . . and they made it work," she said. "It's a perfect solution to an incredible problem."

Today, the young inventors say, U.S. drivers use about 7.9 billion gallons of fuel each year to run their air-conditioners, which draw power from the engine. By adopting their contraption - which taps into the electrical system, using fans to blow hot air through five Peltier chips and then releasing cold air - they say the country stands to save 3.9 billion gallons of fuel annually, or about $10 billion based on current gas prices.

Furthermore, the product would free drivers from Freon - which despite improvements, remains an ozone-depleting chemical in current air-conditioners. The Peltier chips, which they purchased on eBay for $9.99 each, have a life span of 20 to 30 years and an unfaltering cooling capacity. And like every component in the Space Beast, which can be minimized in size to about 2 inches in width, the chips are recyclable.

As a young boy, Lyon's parents said he tore apart and reassembled household electronics - CD players, clocks, an old stereo that didn't work until he fixed it. And while Daniel's mom, LouAnn Winegar, was grateful her son was "not a take-apart-person," she said her boy's love for science, engineering and computers has been consistent.

"It's nice to see all of his years of interest and hard work being recognized," she said.

The two-year process of fine-tuning, however, was not without its glitches. When the teens were trying to convert a blow-dryer fan from AC to DC power, a miswiring gave Lyon a doozy of a shock - "a low-enough amp that it couldn't really stop my heart," he said. And there was that computer power strip that they managed to ignite, before throwing it outside in the snow, only to retrieve it two days later to recycle its parts.

Despite the setbacks, and bouts of procrastination, the teens didn't give up. When they weren't playing computer games, skiing, snowboarding or, in Lyon's case, rock-climbing, they buckled down, sometimes working through the night. Their focus nearly cost them graduation - they had to scramble to make up work in other classes - but they accomplished what others couldn't.

After they had already begun their work, Lyon and Winegar learned about a 1964 General Motors analysis that explored the idea before the car company concluded it wasn't possible.

Going in with open minds, however, the teens were not deterred and pulled off what GM rejected. "Nobody told them it couldn't be done," Robert Lyon, Tyler's dad, said.

The first time he felt a cold gust of air successfully come through the system, Winegar said he remembers saying: "We may actually have something here."

Looks like they do. A Salt Lake City attorney is working to secure a patent. The Environmental Protection Agency called to express interest Tuesday morning. And though repeated attempts to communicate with Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. have gone unanswered, high officials in Japan - an ocean away - are awaiting the arrival of Riverton's young inventors.


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To: Final Authority

"It is unlikely that such an invention would be of any benefit as a typical auto AC unit has at least a 12,000 BTU capacity which would equal about 3.5 kW or about 5 HP. Since a typical 2 inch TE cooler component uses about 35 Watts one would need about 100 pieces and figure out a way to cool the hot side and deliver cabin air to the cool sides to circulate. It ain't gonna happen."

Thanks, that explains it, the boys have a highly underpowered refrigeration unit. Something just didn't smell right, because I've been starting o look at these things too.


241 posted on 07/06/2005 9:41:08 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: skyman

Bravo!


242 posted on 07/06/2005 9:47:16 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: myself6
You explain to me how the electrical load of the alternator makes it more difficult to turn the rotor.

I, along with about 4 other people already did, you arrogant dumbass.

243 posted on 07/07/2005 3:03:31 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: FastCoyote

Thats what I thought before I thunk it out. :)


244 posted on 07/07/2005 5:52:56 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: HamiltonJay

How come everyone knows what a Peltier chip is except me? And why didn't anyone in the AC business think of this before? A 50% savings? Something smells fishy.


245 posted on 07/07/2005 5:58:03 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: from occupied ga
Arrogant? Sometimes.

Dumb-ass? Not really, I just jump in without thinking things through some times.


I will defend my position to the death if I believe Im right, but it is possible to convince me with facts and logic that I am wrong. I will admit error, as I have done.

If personal sh_t is used against me in an argument I Will turn on that person in kind.
246 posted on 07/07/2005 6:00:55 AM PDT by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: coloradan
This is from one of the manufacturers of Peltier effect devices. Source: Tellurex Corp.. Now, what do you suppose these kids know that Tellurex Corp doesn't?

They each got $25k college scholarships?

247 posted on 07/07/2005 6:02:05 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Kirkwood
It seems inefficient to have the A/C running at 100% when it is not needed. The peltier chips would not have to be run in such an inefficient manner. You might only need to use half the number of installed chips when cooling at a moderate temperature.

Now that could be legit. But there are variable-speed central air units now. Maybe variable-speed car A/C units are possible.

248 posted on 07/07/2005 6:05:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: absolootezer0
i've got a jeep that i increased gas mileage (and power output) by yanking the a/c and upgrading the alternator.

You wouldn't believe what the A/C does to my acceleration-challenged Saturn. It can barely make it uphill with the A/C on.

249 posted on 07/07/2005 6:07:42 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: skyman

Questionable gas savings aside, I want cold air coming from my AC. I mean my wife-needs-to-wear-a-sweater-while-riding-with-me-cold. Can these chips deliver that?


250 posted on 07/07/2005 6:20:15 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Melas
The energy to charge the batteries, or rather the energy to run the generators that feed the peltiers are accounted for in the 4 billion gallons of fuel left over. Apparently this system is twice as efficient as standard AC, which of course means they still require energy, but only half as much.

Which is a good thing!

251 posted on 07/07/2005 7:08:44 AM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: myself6
I will defend my position to the death if I believe I'm right, but it is possible to convince me with facts and logic that I am wrong. I will admit error, as I have done.

If personal sh_t is used against me in an argument I Will turn on that person in kind.

Well said...

252 posted on 07/07/2005 7:11:27 AM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: Kirkwood

Hybrid technology needs a lot of work but it has come a long way. I myself have studied off and on the alternative energy sources for about 30 years. My favorite for me now is wood gas which can use sawdust from my sawmill to power a tractor to power the sawmill. Most US engineering is simple minded and dumps byproducts in stead of using them.


253 posted on 07/07/2005 9:21:13 AM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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To: myself6
"the alternator will not become harder to turn 2000 RPM as the electrical load increases..."

Actually, I believe the alternator most certainly becomes harder to turn as the electrical load increases.

I believe that's the precise point you've been called on in these discussions.

Cheers,
Lloyd

254 posted on 07/07/2005 9:15:44 PM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: myself6
"I refuse to drive a car that modifies the RPM of the engine according to the electrical needs. F--k THAT!"

Ok, now I'll join the chorus and say that you, sir are a complete moron.

Cheers,
Lloyd

255 posted on 07/07/2005 9:20:24 PM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: TalonDJ
"Peltiers need help to get rid of heat. AC closed loop systems don't need much"

But in the case of cooling the cabin of a vehicle and since we're dumping that heat outside the cabin, do we really care if the heat load goes up considerably? i.e. obviously the real efficiency of these chips is far less than other approaches, but in this specific application, are we really required to account for the additional heat dumped outside the cabin?

I don't see that it matters if the total heat to be dumped increases by 1000% as long as the ability to dump it exists and the cooling effect inside the cabin succeeds.

(actually, now that I'm thinking about it..... if we put ten million vehicles on the road with a 1000% increase in the heat being dumped... that is probably a measurable effect to "global warming". Ironic isn't it that these kids won an award based on the environmental impact? :-) )

256 posted on 07/07/2005 9:36:17 PM PDT by Lloyd227
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