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Legislation would protect employees from sexual orientation discrimination
GOVexec.com ^ | July 6, 2005 | By Daniel Pulliam

Posted on 07/06/2005 9:44:01 AM PDT by Calpernia

Legislation that would guard federal employees from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation was introduced last week with the support of 11 lawmakers.

The bill, known as the Clarification of Federal Employment Protection Act (H.R. 3128), is in response to Senate testimony by Special Counsel Scott Bloch when he stated that the Office of Special Counsel is limited by law in its ability to protect gay employees from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The legislation, proposed by House Government Reform Committee ranking member Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif., would amend the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act affirming "that federal employees are protected from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and to repudiate any assertion to the contrary."

"At a time when our federal employees are working tirelessly on behalf of the nation, we should be doing our utmost to ensure that all are protected against discrimination," Waxman said in a statement. "Unfortunately, the Bush administration appears to have abandoned a long-standing bipartisan interpretation of the law that protects federal employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation."

The proposed law, if passed by Congress and signed by President Bush, would add to the list of prohibited forms of discrimination against employees or potential employees that include race, gender, national origin, age, handicaps, marital status and political affiliation.

As chief of the Office of Special Counsel, Bloch is charged with heading up independent investigations and prosecutions of merit system violations in the federal workplace. He maintained before a panel of senators on May 24 that federal law does not give him the authority to prosecute discrimination against federal employees for their sexual orientation status.

"We do not see sexual orientation as a term for class status anywhere in statute or in the legislative history or case law, in fact, quite contrary to it," Bloch said at the hearing. "We are limited by our enforcement statutes as Congress gives them ... The courts have specifically rejected sexual orientation as a status protection under our statutes."

In response to an inquiryon the proposed legislation, OSC officials referred a reporter to Bloch's Senate testimony and an April 2004 agency release that announced after a two-month review that OSC had concluded it has the authority to prosecute cases of discrimination on "actual conduct."

While the Bush administration has maintained a position banning discrimination against federal employees on the basis of sexual orientation, Bloch ordered the review to determine the legality of the agency's policy in prosecuting cases of sexual discrimination in agencies and had the information on filing sexual-orientation discrimination complaints removed from the agency's Web site and brochures.

Not included in the announcement was Bloch's viewpoint on case law supporting sexual orientation discrimination cases, which he believes blocks the agency from prosecuting cases involving a federal manager firing or disciplining an employee merely for being a homosexual, according to his testimony. If the manager took action against the employee for actions, in private or public, the agency would have the authority to prosecute.

The information on filing sexual-orientation discrimination complaints has not been returned to the agency Web site.

OSC spokeswomen Cathy Deeds said that Congress has twice tried to pass legislation that would give homosexuals "protected class status," allowing OSC to enforce Bush's policy forbidding sexual orientation discrimination, but both attempts failed.

"[I]t is now in the hands of Congress," Deeds wrote in an e-mail to Government Executive.

Co-sponsors of the bill include Reps. Tammy Baldwin, D-Wis.; Danny K. Davis, D-Ill.; Eliot L. Engel, D-N.Y.: Mark Foley, R-Fla.; Barney Frank, D-Mass.; Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.; Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md.; Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz.; Christopher Shays, R-Conn.; and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C.


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Communist Goals (1963)

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Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

1 posted on 07/06/2005 9:44:03 AM PDT by Calpernia
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


2 posted on 07/06/2005 9:44:38 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

"Current Communist Goals '

Do you have a link to that, and could you post it please? It would be interesting to see all the goals.

I can believe, that they are all exactly true.


3 posted on 07/06/2005 9:47:28 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: Calpernia

btt


4 posted on 07/06/2005 9:47:30 AM PDT by brivette
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To: Calpernia

Sorry.

I WILL NOT be forced to hire queers. There are ways around this.


5 posted on 07/06/2005 9:49:58 AM PDT by Iron Matron (New Member: CONSTITUTION PARTY)
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To: QQQQQ

Here you go:

Current Communist Goals (1958)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1272893/posts


6 posted on 07/06/2005 9:54:30 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

The EEOC process is an effin' joke. Ask me how I know. (On second thought, I don't want to say. But I'm a retired federal employee and I've seen the failure of the EEOC over many years.)


7 posted on 07/06/2005 9:57:37 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Calpernia
The legislation, proposed by House Government Reform Committee ranking member Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif.,

Calling someone the "ranking member" is a polite way of saying "has no power".

8 posted on 07/06/2005 9:57:51 AM PDT by RightFighter
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To: QQQQQ

Here is also a Marxist search that has archives of the Communist Manifesto:

http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&cof=AWFID%3A7b18852deafa5f53%3BL%3A%3BLH%3A107%3BLW%3A731%3BBIMG%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruv.net%2Ffileadmin%2F2003_template%2Fbg.gif%3BBGC%3A%23E9E0D2%3BT%3Ablack%3BLC%3Abrown%3BVLC%3Abrown%3BALC%3Abrown%3BGALT%3Abrown%3BGFNT%3Abrown%3BGIMP%3Ared%3BAH%3Acenter%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruv.net%3B&domains=ruv.net&q=manifesto&btnG=%3A%3A+Search+%3A%3A&sitesearch=ruv.net


9 posted on 07/06/2005 9:57:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

great next they'll be demanding quotas for gays.


10 posted on 07/06/2005 10:00:17 AM PDT by republican2005
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To: Calpernia

Being gay is not who you are, it's WHAT YOU DO. A particular behavior should not entitle you to be in a protected class.

Should we grant nudists these same rights? Think about it.


11 posted on 07/06/2005 10:03:40 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: republican2005

That has been mentioned in David Mixner's agenda.

David Mixner is a Democratic Political Consultant that has been a strong influence on the Gay Agenda. Especially in political offices.

David Mixner was also a key member in the Antiwar Movement, The Vietnam Moratorium Committee (VMC) along with Ramsey Clark, John Kerry, Bill Clinton and the US Communist movement.


12 posted on 07/06/2005 10:06:51 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fedora
We were talking about David Mixner in the, Vets refuse to forgive Kerry for antiwar acts, thread. You thought that is who Clinton was referring to that he had to go meet when he wrote his draft dodging letter.
13 posted on 07/06/2005 10:09:06 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: AbeKrieger

>>>Should we grant nudists these same rights? Think about it.

They are trying that in Florida. Some type of topless movement.


14 posted on 07/06/2005 10:11:38 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

I wouldn't fire someone just for being gay just as I wouldn't fire someone just for being an adulterer. Now, if they start talking about their perversion on the job, or causing problems in any other way, then it becomes an issue and out they go.


15 posted on 07/06/2005 10:13:10 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Calpernia

How are you supposed to know that the employee is gay? Isn't that some sort of violation of the "right to privacy"?

When my wife was interviewing for a promotion, she was REQUIRED to not disclose the fact that she was pregnant. If the interview panel knew she was pregnant and she didn't get the promotion, it could have set them up for a lawsuit.


16 posted on 07/06/2005 10:32:37 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (It's the Anti-Americanism, Stupid!)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Maybe they will put in a new check box next to race?

I don't know any of the logic to this.


17 posted on 07/06/2005 10:34:46 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Maybe they will put in a new check box next to race?

If so, a good strategy would be to always check "yes" in the "are you gay" box. You will have a much higher chance of getting hired, and it will be virtually impossible to fire or demote you.

18 posted on 07/06/2005 10:42:43 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (It's the Anti-Americanism, Stupid!)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

That could lead to uncomfortable bedfellows :P


19 posted on 07/06/2005 10:44:33 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Don't worry. If they hold you to your assertion that you are gay, you can always file a sexual harrassment lawsuit.


20 posted on 07/06/2005 10:45:41 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (It's the Anti-Americanism, Stupid!)
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To: Calpernia
I get my rocks off by sitting around all day reading FreeRepublic. I'm just oriented that way. I guess this law means I should get a governement job.
21 posted on 07/06/2005 10:47:35 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: republican2005
great next they'll be demanding quotas for gays.

That may not be a bad idea. Say a ten day season with no bag limit. Should really reduce the problem.

OH! You mean hiring quotas don't you. (never mind)

22 posted on 07/06/2005 10:51:24 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Calpernia

How about a bill to bar employers from sexual orientation discrimination lawsuits? God forbid a so-called Conservative even propse such a bill. Do we have any of those left in the Conress anyway?


23 posted on 07/06/2005 10:51:47 AM PDT by montag813
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To: All
Why don't insurance carriers start refusing to insure gay people? Their lifestyles put them in the "at risk" category. Just like smokers are now labeled as 'at risk'.
24 posted on 07/06/2005 11:02:48 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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Later horrible pingout.


25 posted on 07/06/2005 11:05:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Calpernia

Does it include protections for heterosexuals?


26 posted on 07/06/2005 11:06:37 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Iron Matron

There are - you can go underground or out of business. These people are not kidding, and they target businesses and people they consider enemies of their agenda.

Recently - within the last week - there have been several articles about a family run inn located in Vermont who are being sued (hmm - brain malfuction alarm tells me it might be a criminal matter of discrimination, not a civil suit, but either way it is bad bad bad) by a couple of lesbians. Reason? The owner - who is Catholic, and lives at the inn with his wife and several children - said he would have a hard time getting enthusiastic about hosting a wedding reception for the two lesbians. (The inn proprietors host several wedding receptions a year.)

The lesbians are targeting this family because, as Catholics, they are "not enthusiastic" about helping two women have a wedding reception.


27 posted on 07/06/2005 11:14:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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nudist is one correlation. How about the current demonetizing of smokers, when that is a legal commodity, and elevating a life style which is 100 times more a health threat, and a health threat that can spread disease to the general public when working in certain fields, ie: food prep, health care, etc. Not to mention the cost comparison for health insurance in both "behaviors". There is no comparison. I know a lot of good moral people with integrity and values who smoke, they are demonetized, while we are expected to elevate and protect homosexuals!! Way way out of whack!!
28 posted on 07/06/2005 11:28:03 AM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks very much for the links! I'll save them and read them.


29 posted on 07/06/2005 11:33:05 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: Calpernia

Here is another goal that they have accomplished:

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


30 posted on 07/06/2005 11:35:02 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

It is surreal how many of the goals have been accomplished.

::away from keyboard::

Ciao!


31 posted on 07/06/2005 11:39:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: gidget7
elevating a life style which is 100 times more a health threat

Right on. Consider the questionnaire you are given when you donate blood... if you are a man, have you ever had sex, EVEN ONCE, with another man since 1977? ... if so, we don't want your blood, it's worthless. You are as risky as an IV drug user.

32 posted on 07/06/2005 11:43:00 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: little jeremiah
The lesbians are targeting this family because, as Catholics, they are "not enthusiastic" about helping two women have a wedding reception.<<<

I'd host one, one time. The service would be substandard (let them prove it was purposeful), I'd make sure many things that CAN go wrong at any reception..WOULD go wrong at Theirs..

Or, I'd "book" the dates they wanted. Enough friends of same thought would probably be glad to be "engaged" for the occasion.

Closed for "cleaning" is good. Wearing theatrical make-up with false, suppurating zits might turn them off during a meeting.

Heterosexual folks need to be Creative..

Oh, there ARE ways around the travesty.
33 posted on 07/06/2005 11:51:14 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Illegals should be found and Deported; NOT welcomed and Supported!)
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To: AbeKrieger
"Should we grant nudist these same rights? Think about it."

Okay, I'm thinking.

No, saw a brochure advertising a nudist vacation spot, not worth it.
34 posted on 07/06/2005 12:40:11 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: QQQQQ

You are right. This keeps making the rounds here and is, to say the least, highly dubious. Where in the heck did these "goals" come from? An official Communist party document? If so, Where can a copy be obtained?


35 posted on 07/06/2005 12:44:45 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Calpernia
Yes, there's an interview with Bill where he mentions his relationship with Mixner, which I don't have handy at the moment but I have a note on it; and there's also this from Hillary's book as summarized here:

AIM Report: Hillary Clinton's Biggest Cover-Ups

In her book, however, Hillary does write about some of her radical associates. She notes a meeting in 1969 with David Mixner of the Vietnam Moratorium Committee, an anti-Vietnam war protest group that came under investigation by the House Internal Security Subcommittee for its involvement with communists and backing from Hanoi. Mixner would go on to become a leading homosexual activist, adviser to and friend of President Clinton. He was credited with delivering some six million votes to Clinton in 1992.

Speaking of which, Edward Klein's new book on Hillary has some related stuff:

Richard Poe, "The Woman Who Would Be President"

SNIP

A Wellesley classmate of Hillary’s recalls: "The notion of a woman being a lesbian was fascinating to Hillary. But she was much more interested in lesbianism as a political statement than a sexual practice… A lesbian… was a dynamic young woman who had thrown off the shackles of male dominance. Hillary talked about it a lot, read lesbian literature, and embraced it as a revolutionary concept."

Klein never states that Hillary slept with a woman — though he names several who are "rumored" to have shared her bed. Klein focuses instead on Hillary’s allegiance to the radical "gender feminism" which she imbibed at Wellesley and which — according to Klein — she never renounced.

SNIP

36 posted on 07/06/2005 12:45:27 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I think those goal DID come from an original communist document. I used to know what it was, but mostly the list survived, but unfortunately, without the original source. I should go and dig, and see if I come up with the original source, if I do, I'll post it and keep it handy for future reference.


37 posted on 07/06/2005 12:49:19 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

You'll have better luck than me if you do. Everytime this appears (every few months or so), I ask for a source but nobody ever provides one other than to site the Cong. Record or Skousen. Those are secondary sources, however. What is the primary source? If this is a party document, where can it be obtained? Nobody seems to have any idea or paricularly care. Frankly, I don't think there is scuh a document. The wording sounds too much like Dr. Evil to be very believable!


38 posted on 07/06/2005 12:53:04 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Here is what I could determine by a quick research.

The goals are listed in a book: "THe Naked Communist" by W. Cleon Skousen, who was a senior FBI agent under J. Edgar Hoover, the police chief of Salt Lake City, Utah, and a full professor at Brigham Young University.

Florida Congressman A.S. Herlong Jr. entered this list into the Congressional Records in 1963.


http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

http://www.spongobongo.com/em/em9817.htm


I don't know where Skousen got his list, he may mention it in his book. Considering, that he was an FBI agent, maybe they got hold of some commie documents.

But I have read elsewhere, that the communists were working hard on destroying the capitalist countries, starting with the US, "from within". It was a major strategy for them, so it's quite possible they outlined those items.

It is also interesting that those goals first saw the light of day in 1958, before a lot of them have been accomplished, that now are totally accepted, so it's not as if someone looked around today and created the goals retroactively, to fit today's status.


39 posted on 07/06/2005 12:58:16 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

As I said in my previous post, those are secondary documents. I know of many great historians I respect but I would expect that each and every one of them back up any controversial claims or statements with primary documents. The Congressional Record, btw, is not a good source. Every wacko, including Maxine Waters, etc., can insert whatever they want in that. Again, this wording sounds like something out of Dr. Evil. Where does it come from?


40 posted on 07/06/2005 1:02:14 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

"Where does it come from?"

That is a good question, as I said, I wonder if Skousen mentions that in his book. He may or may not, but it surely would be very interesting to get hold of the original documents, and see what they say exactly.


41 posted on 07/06/2005 1:05:04 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: Austin Willard Wright; QQQQQ; Calpernia
If so, Where can a copy be obtained?

I haven't verified the particular report cited here, but the source cited in the post is the Congressional Record (most likely quoting an FBI report to HUAC, I'd infer), which can be accessed online for certain dates, though unfortunately this record is old enough you'd have to physically check a Federal Depository Library to obtain a copy:

Thomas Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

3. For what time periods does THOMAS have legislative information? THOMAS has the Congressional Record and full text of legislation available from 1989 (101st Congress) to the present. In addition, THOMAS has summaries (not full text) of legislation are available back to 1973 (93rd Congress). A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates 1774-1875 provides a century's worth of congressional proceedings, statutes, and other information. Legislative texts and documents prior to 1989 may be found in print form at Federal Depository Libraries. You can locate a library at this site by either state or area code. Legislation is eventually codified in the U.S. Code, which may be found in several locations other than the one given here.

One other place that type of information can be obtained is from the annual reports archived here:

Records of the United States House of Representatives

233.25 RECORDS OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON INTERNAL SECURITY AND ITS PREDECESSORS 1938-75 2,301 lin. ft.

233.25.1 Records of the Special Committee on Un-American Activities (1938-45)

233.25.2 Records of the House Committee on Un-American Activities (1945-69) and the House Committee on Internal Security (1969-75)

Annual reports on Communist activity were also filed with the state equivalents of HUAC and SISS--for example, a few are online here:

Online Archive of California: Texts > Free Speech Movement Archives > Government Documents

The Lusk Report's second volume appendix is also a good resource for primary source documents summarizing Communist Party goals:

The Lusk Committee: A Guide to the Records of the Joint Legislative Committee to Investigate Seditious Activities

42 posted on 07/06/2005 1:06:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: QQQQQ
Considering, that he was an FBI agent, maybe they got hold of some commie documents.

Speaking of that, a couple other items I should add. The FBI seized some internal Communist documents from a meeting in Bridgman, Michigan in 1922; these are cited in R.M. Whitney's 1924 book Reds in America, which has been reprinted a few times. Also, CP papers such as The Daily Worker are available in microfilm collection:

Newspapers of the American Communist Party

A virtually complete set of the official newspapers of the American Communist Party from 1919 through today’s editions is now available. The retrospective set includes People’s Daily World and its predecessors—The Daily Worker, The Ohio Socialist, The Toiler, The Worker, The Midweek Worker, and The Southern Worker. An annual subscription to People’s Weekly World (two reels annually) keeps coverage current.

A portion of the FBI's files on The Daily Worker are on the FBI's FOIA site and on CD-ROM:

Federal Bureau of Investigation: Freedom of Information/Privacy Act Section: Daily Worker

Paperless Archives: DAILY WORKER FBI FILES

43 posted on 07/06/2005 1:19:03 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Iron Matron

Maybe you should open an inn in Vermont.


44 posted on 07/06/2005 1:26:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Fedora
All well and good but was the primary source for the Dr. Evilesque comments in the "Goals>" Now, as a I said, an entry in the Congressional Record is meaningless per se.

Any wacko congresscritter can put anything they want in "extended remarks" (where I suspect this came from. Skousen seems like a better source but, as a I said, I would expect even the greatest historian to back up claims with a reference to primary sources. What was the *specific* source for the Goals and where can it be obtained?

45 posted on 07/06/2005 1:43:05 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I don't know if Skoussen cites his primary sources in his book, but that'd be the first place to check (I just ordered a copy so I can check myself, as I'd also like to see where that's coming from):

W. Cleon Skousen, The Naked Communist

Otherwise the individual goals listed could be cross-referenced against other sources such as those I mentioned. Some of the goals there are consistent with what I've seen elsewhere; other goals I'd have to verify. I'd add that IMO goal lists such as this should be read in historical context. Communists do have some generic long-term goals derived from the general aims of Marxism, but in the short term they tend to adjust these goals and the corresponding tactics as situations change. For instance, goal #8 from Skousen's list reflects an outdated situation and would no longer be applicable in its original form: "8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N."

46 posted on 07/06/2005 2:33:44 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Calpernia

Big bump


47 posted on 07/06/2005 4:02:24 PM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Here we go again - this is the stepping stone to hatespeech. Where's freedom of association? I guess it disappeared along with property rights and religious freedom.

What are conservatives going to do? Go underground? Give up? All go to a group of contiguous states and start our own country?

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


48 posted on 07/06/2005 8:49:22 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Calpernia

Also known as "The Big Plan".


49 posted on 07/06/2005 11:30:53 PM PDT by Rca2000 (America, oh America, I MISS YOU!!!!!)
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To: Fedora

bump!

bookmarking


50 posted on 07/07/2005 7:25:49 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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