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Hybrid vehicles threaten commuters' trip in the fast lane
San Diego Union -Tribune ^ | 7/8/05 | Brian Westley - AP

Posted on 07/08/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

ARLINGTON, Va. – Instead of crawling out of bed at 4 a.m. to beat the morning rush, Frank Murphy sleeps late these days. He says he owes it all to his hybrid car – and a law that has some of his fellow commuters upset. Drivers of the environmentally friendly cars are allowed to cruise solo in Virginia's car pool lanes, slicing Murphy's daily two-hour commute in half. And since buying a hybrid 18 months ago, Murphy is leaving his home as much as three hours later.

"The quality of life has gone up tremendously," he said.

But Murphy's joy is a source of irritation for his co-worker, Kristine Johnson, who does not own a hybrid. To travel in the car pool lane, she lingers at a commuter lot until two strangers agree to ride with her.

The inconvenience pays off less than it used to: Johnson complains that hybrids are making car pool lanes as congested as regular lanes.

"It's not fair," Johnson said. "In the afternoon it's all hybrids around me. I used to be able to go home in 30 minutes. Now it takes 45."

So goes the debate between Virginia's car-poolers and hybrid owners. Lawmakers say the hybrid rule wasn't meant to clog the car pool lanes, but to encourage people to buy the cars, which run on a low-polluting combination of electricity and gasoline.

Normally, the federal government would withdraw highway money from a state that gave hybrids commuter-lane privileges. But Virginia has a special waiver while Congress considers allowing the states to make their own rules for hybrids. Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia and Florida are poised to move ahead with similar incentives if the Senate passes a long-delayed highway bill.

California Assemblywoman Fran Pavley wrote legislation to open her state's car pool lanes to single-occupant hybrids. She said the bill contains "numerous safeguards" to avoid replicating Virginia's woes.

For example, California's Department of Motor Vehicles would limit the number of hybrids in the commuter lanes by issuing only 75,000 special decals. State transportation officials would review the law periodically, and it would only apply to hybrids that get at least 45 miles per gallon.

Brian D. Taylor, director of UCLA's Institute of Transportation Studies, argues against linking hybrids with car pool lanes, which he says exist for an unrelated purpose: taking cars off the road.

"It would be sort of like saying you should allow nurses and school teachers to exceed the speed limit because they contribute positive things to society," Taylor said.

Joe Waldman, general manager of northern Virginia's Landmark Honda, said officials should not be so quick to blame crowded car pool lanes on hybrids. He noted that solo drivers in regular vehicles continue to violate the rules, despite stepped-up enforcement and a new state law doubling some fines to as much as $1,000 for a fourth offense.

But Virginia Department of Transportation spokeswoman Joan Morris said, "Even if we got rid of all the violators tomorrow, we'd still have a capacity problem."

In April 2003, about 2,500 hybrid drivers in Virginia registered their cars and asked for "clean fuel" license plates, allowing them to use the car pool lanes, Morris said. By May of this year, the number had more than tripled – to about 9,000.

Meanwhile, Murphy, the Virginia hybrid owner, continues to sleep late, while Virginia transportation officials consider compromises such as letting hybrids use the lanes only at times when traffic is less congested.

Murphy said it would be ridiculous to end the hybrid exemption altogether, but agrees something's got to give.

"I do have to admit, there are a lot of (hybrids) out there," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: carpool; commuters; fastlane; hov; hybrid; threaten; vehicles; virginia
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To: Little Pig

My R1100RTA flys at twice the speed of those electric things.


41 posted on 07/08/2005 9:38:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: bmwcyle

And my ZX-11 could also manage double their speed, and at traffic speeds still get over 40mpg.


42 posted on 07/08/2005 9:42:24 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge
For example, California's Department of Motor Vehicles would limit the number of hybrids in the commuter lanes by issuing only 75,000 special decals. State transportation officials would review the law periodically, and it would only apply to hybrids that get at least 45 miles per gallon.

That should be interesting. The only hybrid that actually gets more than 45 mpg is the Honda Insight.

43 posted on 07/08/2005 9:43:05 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: bmwcyle

And I could get 4-5 new zx-11s for what one hybrid cost.


44 posted on 07/08/2005 9:43:18 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge
slicing Murphy's daily two-hour commute in half. And since buying a hybrid 18 months ago, Murphy is leaving his home as much as three hours later.

Does this add up? One less hour of driving, sleeps three hours later. More media math...
45 posted on 07/08/2005 9:46:06 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Little Pig

They add more electronics to a car. Stuff in a big battery. Then they get into the HOV lane and drive slow.


46 posted on 07/08/2005 9:48:23 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: NormsRevenge

I propose a special high speed lane for my American V8 powered Pontiac.

I use less gas when I'm not stuck behind slow moving Hondas, Nissans, etc.

Actually - I should be be thanked by libs for using more gas. The punitive taxes here in NYS help support all their stupid social programs!


47 posted on 07/08/2005 9:49:02 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Tell me the SCOTUS was just kidding?!)
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To: rkhampton
Re: hybrids:

Most the power of an automobile is for acceleration. In a standard auto this requires that the engine be sized for such. In a hybrid, the engine provides cruising speed and battery charging. The acceleration power is provided by the addition of electric power. The overall engine size is reduced and therefore consumes less energy. This is why they have diesel-electric trains, (where the idea came from.)

48 posted on 07/08/2005 9:53:51 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: NormsRevenge
Drivers of the environmentally friendly cars are allowed to cruise solo in Virginia's car pool lanes, slicing Murphy's daily two-hour commute in half. And since buying a hybrid 18 months ago, Murphy is leaving his home as much as three hours later.

This makes no sense. If Murphy's two-hour commute is cut to one hour, how does allow him to leave for work three hours later? What am I missing, other than another "journalist" who doesn't know how to write?

49 posted on 07/08/2005 9:54:31 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: SShultz460

"BUILD MORE LANES! QUIT WITH THE SOCIAL ENGINEERING PROJECTS AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE!"

Not possible in much of LA. The freeways are already pretty wide in many places.

I've heard talk of adding a second layer, and that might work.


50 posted on 07/08/2005 9:57:43 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: drb9

What about HOV lanes on the Toll Road?


51 posted on 07/08/2005 9:58:28 AM PDT by relee
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To: Made In The USA
slow moving Hondas, Nissans

Care to race my Maxima for pink slips?
52 posted on 07/08/2005 9:58:37 AM PDT by keat (Posting code without previewing since 2004)
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To: D Rider

I don't think there is any direct connection between the engine and the wheels on modern locomotives (at least here in the US).


53 posted on 07/08/2005 9:59:21 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge
For example, California's Department of Motor Vehicles would limit the number of hybrids in the commuter lanes by issuing only 75,000 special decals.

This is a sure-fire prescription for special favors being granted by politician-criminals for other politically-connected criminals, for bribes to change hands, and for all sorts of other types of organized criminal mischief. Why can't these government "professionals" ever learn a thing or two from history?

54 posted on 07/08/2005 10:00:22 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: sitetest
What if you took a normal car and stuck a couple of very realistic store mannequins in it and used the carpool lane anyway?
55 posted on 07/08/2005 10:01:49 AM PDT by Cowman (Just when you hit the bottom of the stupid hole you notice the guy next to you is digging)
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To: NYorkerInHouston
I get a steady 45-47 miles per gallon on the highway and thats driving with traffic, around here 65 to 75 miles per hour. If the flow of traffic is around 55 to 65 miles per hour I can get 50-55 miles per gallon easy. Something is improving the mileage.

Yes, something is. Dropping your speed by 10 mph considerably reduces the rolling resistance, in particular, the air resistance. The hybrid system doesn't produce power; it scavenges it, and unless you put your foot on the brake, which by definition, isn't happening at a constant speed, then there's nothing to scavenge.

56 posted on 07/08/2005 10:01:50 AM PDT by rkhampton
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To: Cowman

Dear Cowman,

It's been tried around here, and sometimes folks get caught. Expensive ticket.


sitetest


57 posted on 07/08/2005 10:06:15 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Cowman
What if you took a normal car and stuck a couple of very realistic store mannequins in it and used the carpool lane anyway?

IIRC, in Virginia that can get you a fine of over $1000 and a suspended license.

58 posted on 07/08/2005 10:08:20 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: spokeshave
Or in Red states...trucks with mirror image stickers on the FRONT bumper that say "Run Hillary Run"

LOL.

59 posted on 07/08/2005 10:12:27 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: B Knotts

My Prius gets 50-53 mpg consistently in the summer and 48-51 mpg in the winter.

Best part? Only having to stop at a gas station every two weeks or so.


60 posted on 07/08/2005 10:13:42 AM PDT by Auntie Mame ("Whether you think you can or think you can't -- you are right." Henry Ford)
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