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Posted on 07/11/2005 10:01:47 AM PDT by Infantry Grunt 1968-69

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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Tell him you appreciate American Muslim organizations condemning terrorism as un-Islamic.

Ask him why the organizations do not tell their followers to repudiate those who speak violence.

Ask him why the organizations do not tell their followers to turn in those who plot violence.

Ask him why we should permit immigrants whose greater loyalty is to Islam, when that loyalty is in conflict with the US in a way that Christian loyalty is not.

Ask about taqiyyah.

Muslims believe that our Bible is unreliable and corrupted, but will still pick certain parts to sway weak Christians - "In the Beginning was the Word..." the Word = the Koran. "I will send you a Comforter" not the Holy Spirit but Mohammed. They will say they respect our Bible and Jesus as a prophet but they don't really respect the Bible at all.

Mrs VS


51 posted on 07/11/2005 10:37:45 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: PaulaB; Infantry Grunt 1968-69
this should be your first clue

And this should be your second:

some in the class are liberal

If they don't kick you out the door after you ask your questions, you should start looking for a Christ-centered church anyway.

52 posted on 07/11/2005 10:38:03 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: jb6
1100 years BEFORE the Wahabis came along there were, of course, no Moslems at all. Wahab is a phenomenon of the 1700s.

Check out: http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0013745.html

53 posted on 07/11/2005 10:38:08 AM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Ask this "cleric" what the age of Mohammed's youngest wife was, and at what age was he and what age was she. Also at What age for her was the marriage consumated.

Answer: He married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Ask the morality of a 53 year old man marrying a 9 year old girl.

54 posted on 07/11/2005 10:39:05 AM PDT by Ouderkirk
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To: ClearBlueSky
How can you educated those who know everything. After all, that's why they burned the Library of Alexandria....it didn't teach them anything they needed to know about Allah so it had nothing useful in it.

Even their "golden" ages are all lies, as they were parasites on newly conquered and none islamic races, who had a higher education/technology. As soon as the majority became islamic you got what you have today.

55 posted on 07/11/2005 10:39:17 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
You need only ask one question, and that one of your church...

"Why are you providing a propaganda mission for a cult spokesman that wants christians dead or converted, and has a proven 1500 year history of murdering and enslaving every culture it touches?"

Then find another church.

56 posted on 07/11/2005 10:40:32 AM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Socialism is not an ideology, it is a disease. Eliminate the vectors.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him why his co-religionists kill their own daughters (or have them killed by male relatives) so often.


57 posted on 07/11/2005 10:42:46 AM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: muawiyah; Cronos; broadsword
1100 years BEFORE the Wahabis came along there were, of course, no Moslems at all. Wahab is a phenomenon of the 1700s

And Islam is a phenomina of the 600s. Tell El Cid or Tsar Lazaraze of the Serbs or the keepers of the Library of Alexandria or the Byzentine Emperors about the lack of jihads before the Wahabis. Tell Winston Churchill who fought in central Sudan against Islamic (non-Wahabis) fanatics. Yup, would be some interesting story times.

While you are at it, tell us again why the Islamics named the Hindu Kush (land of dead Hindus) after they conquered 2 Hindu kingdoms there.

58 posted on 07/11/2005 10:43:28 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

You can ask him why more Muslims have killed other Muslims than any other political or religious group has?


59 posted on 07/11/2005 10:44:00 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

In a situation like this you should research your question and be prepared to ask followups. Here's a few. Good luck!

1. Why does Islam oppress women?

2. What is meant by dhimmitude?

3. Should American Moslems be allowed to resolve their differences in Sharia courts instead of municipal, state and federal courts?

4. What specific insults to Islam were written in The Satanic Verses that caused the pronouncement of a death sentence upon Salman Rushdie?


60 posted on 07/11/2005 10:48:52 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69; All

1) What were the historical uses of the word "Allah" in the tribal areas of that region PRIOR to the rise of Muhammed? What were the different uses and meanings of the word. [If he does not include "demonic moon God" amongst the historical tribal uses--he's ignorant or lying.

2) How do you explain away the many, many references IN CONTEXT in the KORAN to exterminating, brutally murdering, destroying all who do not become Moslem? The radicals may be acting out such verses with great fervor--but THEY WERE WRITTEN IN CONTEXT IN GREAT FERVOR INCITING FERVENT ACTIONS. Those word choices were made for a reason. It was not to encourage gentle flower picking.

3) Why do you call Jesus a great prophet and yet not listen to what He said? Either He was an insane idiot or He was who He said He was--the son of God.

4) Millions of Moslems OTHER THAN THE RADICALS cheer and at least passively, if not actively support the brutal, forceful destruction of those who are not Moslem. Do you think we are stupid for not waking up to the realities of such warring assaults?

5) Thousands of Christians in Africa have been brutally murdered; children sold into slavery including being subjected to sexual abuse--by Moslem perpetrators. There has not been one loud, broad, main stream media outcry on the part of Moslem media and leaders. Why?

6) Given the great propensity for Moslems to exterminate, kill non-Moslems by the thousands--WHY do Moslems seem to DELIGHT in the MOST BRUTAL, MOST BLOODY MEANS OF KILLING? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was fiercely against sheeding innocent blood. The demonic moon god Allah seems to delight in the shedding of innocent blood. Why do you stand for that and even encourage it?

7) Do you personally believe that Islam will rule the world? Would you personally murder an innocent--noncombatant--nonMoslem toward that goal?

8) How honest have you been in your answers to us?

9) How do you rationalize Mohammed having sex with a nine year old 'bride?'

10) Do you really believe Islam as cosmology--a valid explanation for the world as we find it--or do you believe it more as politics--a main means to achieve what you want for your cohorts?

11) What was your personal reaction to 9/11?

12) How do you explain the 100's of cases where the Risen Jesus The Christ has appeared in dreams and visions and perhaps even visitations to families--sometimes many families in the same tribe--in remote and other areas of the Moslem world. Many of the receivers of these dreams, visitions, visions do not even know who Jesus is--though they realize in the experience that HE IS GOD. They then have to search out--at the risk of their lives--a Bible to learn more about HE WHOM THEY HAVE MET so miraculously. How do you explain so many 100's of such events? Why do your religionist cohorts then seek to brutally murder such innocents merely because they believe what God has shown them so miraculously?


61 posted on 07/11/2005 10:50:09 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Also, ask him if Christians and Jews go to heaven.


62 posted on 07/11/2005 10:50:23 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: thefactor

Great question.


63 posted on 07/11/2005 10:51:31 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Ask him how they can call islam a "religion of peace" when it teaches hate such as the quotes below.

FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE.(8:12-17)

64 posted on 07/11/2005 10:53:27 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Hank Rearden
He ought to just ask the 'slammie bastard to kindly go tap dancing in a minefield.

What a waste of both skin and time.

65 posted on 07/11/2005 10:56:05 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Ask why it's ok to burn Bibles in Saudi Arabia- and allow NO other religion- but it's not ok if the West does it?

See my post #46 for an eye-opener.

66 posted on 07/11/2005 10:56:32 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: kendu

I don't believe I would invite a deciple of Satan into my church - period.


67 posted on 07/11/2005 10:59:10 AM PDT by Mister Da (When the police arrive, make sure only one story is told - yours!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Question: Do the followers of Islam in the U.S. believe that the U.S. would be better served if Shiria Law replaced the U.S. Constitution? Over what time period do the followers of Islam in the U.S. believe that this process will take place - i.e. what is the goal and time frame that has been set for the accomplishment of this? Within 20 years, 50 years, two generations?


68 posted on 07/11/2005 11:02:11 AM PDT by hardworking (Which reflects YOUR image of America's families? George & Laura, or Billy & Hillary?)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
I would ask if Islam acknowledges the legitimate existence of nonreligious political organization. I.E. is a secular government permissible or should all good Muslims strive for Sharia.
69 posted on 07/11/2005 11:02:32 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Mister Da

Interesting you should mention Satan. The Koran says that there are "one hundred wonderous names of God", the last is only to be known by the Mullahs and can never be made known to the people. I want to know why. I have no trust in a deity that will not reveal his true identity. What say ye Church Lady?


70 posted on 07/11/2005 11:04:38 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Why do you follow a drug-addicted pedophile? Couldn't you pick a better "prophet?"


71 posted on 07/11/2005 11:08:31 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

I would point out that in the other major religions of the world, such as Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and many others the concepts of right and wrong are universal - for example it is wrong to bear false witness, murder someone, steal, etc. regardless of whether the victim and sinner are of the same religion, different, or non-religious. Yet in Islam that equality does not exist - believers may commit crimes against nonbelievers with relative impunity, while the slightest mistreatment of a believer merits death for the "infidel."

Should be an interesting answer.


72 posted on 07/11/2005 11:22:49 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Here is a question for you to ask the 'leader' of your church: If we belive that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, why are we desecrating His sanctuary by bringing someone here who does not follow Jesus? Jesus did not 'bring' unbelievers to Him, he was open to all who CAME to Him. When the devil tempted Jesus, He ordered him away. Inviting anyone from Islam is inviting 'interest' in something that is dangerous. It is too much like 'just looking at the occult for interest' Very dangerous thing that your church is doing by taking this step. It gives a sense of 'legitimacy' to something that is anti-Christ. I would run, not walk, away from your church.


73 posted on 07/11/2005 11:25:07 AM PDT by hardworking (Which reflects YOUR image of America's families? George & Laura, or Billy & Hillary?)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

I would ask him (a) does he believe that terrorists such as those who carried out the 9/11 attacks are being true to Islam? If he does not, then (b) does he believe those men are now in paradise? If the answer to either or both is no, then (c) who insults Islam more? Someone who simply indicates that he doesn't believe it, or someone who carries out evil acts in the name of it?


74 posted on 07/11/2005 11:36:53 AM PDT by william clark
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask your guest "how do we stop people from terrorist acts if Islam teaches them that martyrdom is a glorious act, were mothers celebrate by handing out candy and praising Allah for granting their child martyrdom?

Or better yet, "how those of us who know that Islam by its very nature will try and destroy the West, can convince those in America who can't fathom how anyone who glorifies human slaughter and death, can't be swayed to accept Western culture no matter what we do?


75 posted on 07/11/2005 11:52:40 AM PDT by coffee260 (coffee)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Is he glad that Massachusetts is changing the law to allow marriage between a man and his goat? Explain.


76 posted on 07/11/2005 11:53:33 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: ClearBlueSky; Infantry Grunt 1968-69
...but Christian preachers and priests are never invited to Mosques to 'educate' Muslims.

Talk about hitting it out of the park!

Is it too late for him to be disinvited? I am quite serious. Disinvite him.

Run a thread for us after his visit, let us know how it went.

77 posted on 07/11/2005 11:55:32 AM PDT by grellis (Hard issues curd little might in ironwood.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him why it is and has been from the 8th century forward that all Islam has done is steal everyone else's ideas, science and technology and put claim to it. Then point out that Islamic society quit progressing about the time they put a handle on the shovel and were then too lazy to use it.


78 posted on 07/11/2005 11:58:15 AM PDT by Safetgiver (Only two requisites to be a judge. Gray hair to look wise and hemmorhoids to look concerned.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

What is it with you guys and beheadings?


79 posted on 07/11/2005 12:13:04 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: ClearBlueSky
There are many different kinds of Christians too.
We have the Bible in common.

To which he'll probably reply: "Which Bible? The Catholic Bible? The King James version? The version used by the LDS Church? How about that smarmy, New-Age, PC Bible that came out a few years back?"

80 posted on 07/11/2005 12:13:36 PM PDT by uglybiker (A woman's most powerful weapon is a guy's imagination.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Does he understand why we hate them?


81 posted on 07/11/2005 12:14:54 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: uglybiker

To which I would reply- The New Testament- or some translation of it. None of which tells us to murder and behead those non Christians in God's name.
Then ask him where Islam's 'New Testament' is- the one telling their followers to give up the old, brutal ways?
If they don't follow- and don't believe in- those passages- why not revise the Koran?


82 posted on 07/11/2005 12:24:54 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Perhaps you could just sum up this entire thread, and save everybody a lot of time, by just asking Mr. Moo: "Just what in the hell is wrong with you Moo idiots, anyway?"
83 posted on 07/11/2005 12:33:01 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: coffee260

Ask your guest about the Sharia law that says if a woman in raped, she has to have four male witnesses to get the perp convicted.


84 posted on 07/11/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

If he claims that OK City bomber Timothy McVeigh was a "Christian Terrorist", just remember that McVeigh's final statement was to quote the poem "Invictus":
McVeigh was no Christian

http://www.skfriends.com/mcveigh-final-statement.htm

http://www.skfriends.com/invictus.htm

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.


85 posted on 07/11/2005 12:55:41 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Good resources

http://www.carm.org/islam/questions.htm

http://www.answering-islam.org/Why-not/


86 posted on 07/11/2005 1:02:21 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."

2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."

3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."

3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."

4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."

4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…"

4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."

8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."

8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."

9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."

61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "


87 posted on 07/11/2005 3:00:56 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Realizing that they are ubiquitous, ask him what is the most common language spoken by Muslims.

If any learned FReeper has the stats, I would really like to know.

88 posted on 07/11/2005 3:07:39 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him if he is aware that the archangel Muhammed spoke to was actually Lucifer - not Gabriel. Also ask him to contrast the symbol of Christianity - the cross- with the symbol of islam - the scimitar.


89 posted on 07/11/2005 3:07:47 PM PDT by Hoodat
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