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Posted on 07/11/2005 10:01:47 AM PDT by Infantry Grunt 1968-69

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1 posted on 07/11/2005 10:01:47 AM PDT by Infantry Grunt 1968-69
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

1st thing is ask if he is armed


2 posted on 07/11/2005 10:03:19 AM PDT by kendu
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Why does the vast majority of Islam remain silent when innocents are slaughtered?


3 posted on 07/11/2005 10:03:53 AM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home!")
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
I'm not meaning to be rude but this should be your first clue

In a couple of weeks our Sunday School class will have some kind of Islamic cleric as a guest

Run from that church as fast as possible....there are no questions that you need to ask!!!

4 posted on 07/11/2005 10:04:13 AM PDT by PaulaB
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To: kendu

Ask if amputations and beheadings are strictly reserved for after Friday prayers.


5 posted on 07/11/2005 10:04:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
ask him how many notable terrorist acts in the past 15 years have been carried out by people who were NOT followers of islam.

or find some quotes in the koran about how it's ok to kill infidels and ask him how he interprets these passages.

6 posted on 07/11/2005 10:06:36 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
I think the main issue you should ask about is jihad. The Koran makes it very clear that jihad ("struggle" in Arabic)is the spreading of Islam through warfare. However, Muslims on TV often say that jihad just means the personal struggle for self-improvement.

Point out that maybe it means both, but the Koran definitely says it is the former. So ask him: how can we tell whena Muslim says: "jihad" he means the latter, not the former.

7 posted on 07/11/2005 10:07:46 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him what the lumps are around his waist and why there are wires protruding from his robe.


8 posted on 07/11/2005 10:07:59 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("We must be tolerant and understanding of those trying to blow us to pieces" - Ted Kennedy & Co.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Here is a civil question to ask. The Koran has places where it reverses itself a time or too later in the book from earlier verses.... Ask him if the later verses and "laws" supersede the earlier.... if he say no.... Hes a fool and not worth you time. If he says yes.... pack up your family and run like hell. If he remains silent or gives you some bull about how the Koran doesn't contradict itself... Pack up your family and run!
9 posted on 07/11/2005 10:09:05 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Ask him if it is ever considered wrong for a Muslim to kill a Christian or Jew.
10 posted on 07/11/2005 10:11:05 AM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (Praise be to the LORD, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

first find a reformed body then leave!


11 posted on 07/11/2005 10:11:15 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
some kind of Islamic cleric as a guest

Muslims come in different sects just like Christians. It's going to be like asking a Baptist what the Mormons are doing.

12 posted on 07/11/2005 10:12:06 AM PDT by bookworm100
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him why there is enough religion in the world to incite war, and not enough religion to instill peace.


13 posted on 07/11/2005 10:12:07 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
This is in response to another thread, but could you ask him if this is true:

Here's what I was told by an Iranian Muslim -- what's located in the center at Mecca is the alter on which the sacrifice required by Abraham was to be made. The alter was moved to Mecca? I didn't ask a lot of questions. At the time (pre 9/11) I only had a passing interest in the story, so I wouldn't bet the farm on all of it ... but I do know the building in the center of Mecca is connected to Abraham.

My concern is cultures have myths they live by -- myths that get incorporated in ways that aren't challenged. And near absolute authority is one of those... Each Imam has the power to sentence a person to death. This doesn't exist in modern religions. When UBL wanted permission to nuke the US, he didn't have to get "permission" beyond the equivalent of a parish priest. Frightening. It implies worse.

Too many ideas have gone unchallenged in the middle east - and within their xenophobic cultures, it's fine, well, fine until they come in contact with others. Then it's deadly. Lots of puzzle pieces to be put together - but this I know -- understanding the enemy opens up one more level we can fight them on...

14 posted on 07/11/2005 10:12:12 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

What is the policy of Islam towards apostates? And if they renounce Islam for a second time, what is the policy then?


15 posted on 07/11/2005 10:12:21 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

The Koran says it is acceptable (or is it recommended?) to mislead and lie to infidels. Does he agree with this? Are you (and the rest) unclean and therefore can be lied to about intentions?


16 posted on 07/11/2005 10:13:14 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

What is jihad? It'll make him uncomfortable, but if he says self improvement, then you can ask "Why does the news refer to the war as a Jihad? I don't understand."


17 posted on 07/11/2005 10:14:27 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Assuming that he's an American Muslim, ask him if he agrees that it's okay to shoot at American troops in Iraq.


18 posted on 07/11/2005 10:15:21 AM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

If Mohammad is greater than Christ, can you name one miracle ever did?


19 posted on 07/11/2005 10:15:37 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Make him squirm right away.
Ask if Jews have a right to exist and practice their religion?

Ask why it's ok to burn Bibles in Saudi Arabia- and allow NO other religion- but it's not ok if the West does it?

Ask if the regular everyday Muslim would mind if Islam took over the world as the result of terrorism? Do they really have a problem with the 'means' if the 'end' is what they want?

Ask how they can be a 'good Muslim' if they don't follow the Koran in killing all infidels.

If he's not out the door with the first one, he won't last long.


20 posted on 07/11/2005 10:15:57 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Bommer

Excellent question..

God Bless


21 posted on 07/11/2005 10:16:10 AM PDT by PaulaB
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To: PaulaB

"Run from that church as fast as possible....there are no questions that you need to ask!!!"

Excellent advice. You beat me to it.


22 posted on 07/11/2005 10:16:32 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: theDentist; Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Bump! I was going to ask this question.


23 posted on 07/11/2005 10:16:54 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Right in front of the ladies, ask him how many virgins are suitable for his eternal pleasure.


24 posted on 07/11/2005 10:18:52 AM PDT by Preachin' (Georgia finally saw the light in 2000.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Why is it that for a Muslim to achieve his fullest potential in the sciences, arts, or medicine, he must leave the Muslim world?

Why is Christianity not tolerated in many Muslim countries? It is illegal in those countries to open a new church, for example, or seek new adherents, in order for the religion to die off.

Why is it that pretty much anyone can claim to be an imam and speak for the entire Muslim world, and people take him seriously?

If Islam is such a marvelous religion, philosphy, and way of life, why are there so many Islamic countries (as opposed to a single massive Muslim Utopia), and why do those countries fight such bloody wars with each other?

Why isn't there an Islamic satellite, space probe, or capacity for space launch?

Why are defenders of the Islamic faith so fond of quoting that there are "1.2 billion" of them? If there really are so many, how can the Muslim world be so backward?

How can Muslims claim to fear the West as "Crusaders", suggesting some sort of historical consciousness, yet be entirely ignorant of the Muslim role in provoking the Crusades?

Still thinking...maybe more later...


25 posted on 07/11/2005 10:18:56 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: ClearBlueSky

"If Mohammad is greater than Christ, can you name one miracle ever did?"


made a sheep run faster than a speeding bullet when he approcached it from behind


26 posted on 07/11/2005 10:19:05 AM PDT by kendu
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Ask one of the women in the audience to shake his hand.


27 posted on 07/11/2005 10:19:38 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: concerned about politics
Again, there are many different kinds of Moslems. Last week Jordan sponsored a meeting of the 4 (or is it 8) major schools of thought in Islam, but did not invite the Salafi (who we know as Wahabi, and whose ideas are behind Osama Bin Laden and Sheikh Omar).

They came to some very important agreements concerning the issuance of fatwahs ~

This is roughly equivalent to a meeting of the Pope, John Hagge, the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, and the Patriarch of Constantinople for the purpose of deciding on a common theme, but without the attendance of the the Identity Church (the guys into neo-nazi stuff).

The Salafi continue to be a problem.

28 posted on 07/11/2005 10:20:52 AM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him how Islam treats apostates, and homosexuals.

Ask him to explain the difference between Dar al Islam (house of submission/peace) and Dar al Harb (house of war, i.e. the land that Muslims do not control yet)

Ask him why women must cover their bodies

Ask him how many wives Muhummad had, and what age they were (hint: one of them was 9 years old, yes nine, when the marriage was consummated)

Ask him why women get less from an inheritance than a man

Ask him if there is doctrinal basis for the alleged Muslim terrorism.

Ask him what Wahabiism is.

Ask him what a dhimmi is.

Follow it up with what rights they have.

Ask him why those rights are less than those of Muslims.

Ask him what rights a pagan has.

I could go on, but those should keep him busy.


29 posted on 07/11/2005 10:21:56 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: muawiyah

There are many different kinds of Christians too.
We have the Bible in common.
Muslims have the Koran.
The KORAN is the problem.


30 posted on 07/11/2005 10:22:15 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Also ask him why conversion from Islam is punishable by death in many countries, and why many in others are committed to insane asylums (recent case in Egypt).


31 posted on 07/11/2005 10:22:57 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Ask him why all Moo countries are Turd World cesspools of hate, misery, poverty and death. Ask him why Moos can't ever seem to make anything of themselves and depend on the West for technology, medicine and even national defense.

Then ask him how he'll feel, while in Hell, realizing that Allah is just an evil fiction, created to dupe masses of morons.

Then ask him what time his flight is scheduled, back to Mooland.

32 posted on 07/11/2005 10:23:09 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him if he's prepared to meet Jesus at the day of judgment.

Ask him if he thinks churches ought to be opened in the middle east. If he says yes, ask him what he's doing to make it happen.

Ask him why Islam is based on fear, and Christianity is based on love.

Ask him if Muslims really go to "heaven" when they really didn't get to make a choice about which God they'd serve.


33 posted on 07/11/2005 10:23:55 AM PDT by Preachin' (Georgia finally saw the light in 2000.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Ask them when they plan on returning Syria, Egypt, N.Africa, nothern Sudan, Turkey, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, Albania, and Bosnia to the Orthodox Christians from whom they stole the land at sword point.

Ask him about the Aposticism Wars, where the nut jobs of Mohammed (after his death) butchered half the tribes of Arabia who decided they no longer wanted to be moooslems.

Ask him about how they burned the Library of Alexandria to fire up the bath houses of Alexandria for 3 months.

Ask him why they insist on building their satan's houses on top of everyone elses churches, temples and synogogues.

Ask him why they named a mountain range: the Hindu Kush, land of dead Hindus.

Ask him why the arab word for black man is the same as the arab word for slave.

34 posted on 07/11/2005 10:25:31 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
I would point you here....
http://www.secularislam.org/research/origins.htm
and here...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1384008/posts
and especially here....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1251972/posts
Ask questions that are pointed, polite, and well thought.
Use intelligence and do not be shouted down by the liberal whiners
35 posted on 07/11/2005 10:25:42 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Well, last year, the distinguished Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes proposed a few questions — a litmus test of sorts. Useful questions, he said, might include: Do you condone or condemn those who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians? Will you condemn the likes of al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah by name as terrorist groups? Is jihad, meaning a form of warfare, acceptable in today's world? Do you accept the validity of other religions? Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims? Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam? Who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks? Do you accept that institutions that fund terrorism should be shut down?
Some more that I would add:
Do you support CAIR? Can you account for your mosques financial spending? Am I a kafir, and if so, according to your korap, is it ok to kill me? Why are there no churches in saudi arabia? Is your mosque funded with saudi funds as are 90% of them in the USA? Do you support the lituature that is presented in their mosques? Like this one :
How the Saudi's are spreading the kingdoms hatred in the USA. MUST READ!
http://freedomhouse.org/religion/pdfdocs/FINAL%20FINAL%20Saudi.pdf

Do you support/ teach the wahabbi sect of islam? Why are you really here in the states? Did you eat, dance/ praise the 9/11 attacks? Would you turn in your muslim brothers/ sisters if you have any knowledge of them assiting/ carrying out an attack against infidels?

Man, I could go on, but I have to work. Pitty.


36 posted on 07/11/2005 10:26:15 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: thefactor

In another thread, in response to my "not all Muslims should be treated like terrorists" sentiment, "Marine Uncle" wrote some very thoughtful comments explaining why their faith is in many ways centuries behind Judaism and Christianity, and about how each of the three regards the others. Please read it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1438508/posts?page=20

And on the lighter side of things:
http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=4/d/i/281120022


37 posted on 07/11/2005 10:26:24 AM PDT by km6xu (1998 Onion Headline: Palestinian Gunman Angered by Stereotypes)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

If he tells you that killing innocents is wrong, ask if non-muslims, specifically Christians and Jews, may be considered "innocents".

It's interesting that muslims only condemned the London bombings when they found out that other muslims were killed in them.


38 posted on 07/11/2005 10:27:35 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Ask him if it's true that swine could be used to prevent them from entering their heaven?

(Bring pork rinds to pass around.)

39 posted on 07/11/2005 10:29:52 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Boycott all stupid tag lines.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Ask him how many islamic "charities" set up soup kitchens that feed none-islamic poor, without demanding conversions.


40 posted on 07/11/2005 10:30:20 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Ask him if the phrase "Allah bless America" is ever heard.

Also, ask him if jihad bombings are suspended during rhamadan under islam.

41 posted on 07/11/2005 10:31:53 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: ClearBlueSky
Ask if Jews have a right to exist and practice their religion?

His answer will be yes. Now try this question: Exist as freemen not as Dhimmies?

42 posted on 07/11/2005 10:33:01 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Gefreiter
Why isn't there an Islamic satellite, space probe, or capacity for space launch?

Gads, like you need an answer...it's all because of the Jeewws! /sarcasm

43 posted on 07/11/2005 10:34:34 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Gefreiter

Great questions. I'm impressed.


44 posted on 07/11/2005 10:35:00 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: jb6

AH- true!
Thought of another one too...

Ask why Islamic clerics come to Christian meetings to 'educate' us, but Christian preachers and priests are never invited to Mosques to 'educate' Muslims.


45 posted on 07/11/2005 10:35:12 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
Another real question for Mr. Moo:

Ask why, if Moos get their rags in knots over supposed "desecration" of their murder-book, the biggest desecrator of the murder-book is Saudi Arabia - yet we never hear about that?

Yes, the Saudi Moos will actually shred and destroy Korans that aren't printed there, if found.

Hard to believe? Here's my source.

Go get 'em.

46 posted on 07/11/2005 10:35:31 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69

Does he believe that the perpetrators of the terrorist acts on 9/11 and in London will go to paradise?


47 posted on 07/11/2005 10:36:05 AM PDT by knuthom
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To: muawiyah
Funny how they were running endless Jihads 1100 years before the Wahhabies arrived and nothing changed in that category either.
48 posted on 07/11/2005 10:36:09 AM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: Infantry Grunt 1968-69
You might ask him why TROP is involved in every major (near 20) war, civil unrest or border area dispute in the world. Why is it that Islam can't get along with their neighbors? No matter who those neighbors are or what religion they are.

Isn't it true that Islam is the ONLY religion whose sacred teachings preach expansion by the sword?

There are 2 to start with.

Nam Vet

49 posted on 07/11/2005 10:36:19 AM PDT by Nam Vet (There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works.)
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To: theDentist
The Koran says it is acceptable (or is it recommended?) to mislead and lie to infidels. Does he agree with this? Are you (and the rest) unclean and therefore can be lied to about intentions?

That's like one of those riddles. Whether he's lying or telling the truth, he's going to say that lying to infidels is not acceptable.

What should be asked is "If I asked you if you believe it is ok to lie to infidels, would you say 'yes?'"

That would force him to tell the truth. If he believes lying is ok, he would say 'no', so that would force him to say "yes, i would say yes," which he wouldn't. If he does NOT believe lying is ok, he would say 'no, i would not say yes' and would be telling the truth.

50 posted on 07/11/2005 10:37:40 AM PDT by Zeppelin (If we lose the war on terror... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/waronterrorism.html)
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