Posted on 07/12/2005 12:02:46 PM PDT by Richard Poe
HILLARY'S SECRET WAR
The Shadow Team
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If that sounds too fantastic to be true, read on.
By Richard Poe
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
During the last presidential campaign, on Dec. 1, 2003, Diane Rehm of National Public Radio interviewed Howard Dean, who was then still running for president. A caller accused the Bush White House of "stonewalling" the 9-11 investigation. The following exchange ensued:
Caller: Once we get you in the White House, would you please make sure that there is a thorough investigation of 9-11 and not stonewalling?
Howard Dean: Yes, there is a report which the president is suppressing evidence for, which is a thorough investigation of 9-11.
Diane Rehm: Why do you think he is suppressing that report?
Howard Dean: I don't know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I've heard so far – which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved – is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis.
Like so many high-ranking Democrats today, Howard Dean – who now serves as chairman of the Democratic National Committee – does not shrink from publicly speculating on the possible complicity of President Bush in the mass murders of 9-11.
By contrast, most conservatives – whether in or out of public life – long ago abandoned any effort to investigate the "Clinton body count." The topic has become taboo.
With Hillary all but certain to run for president in 2008, that taboo needs to be lifted. No critique of Mrs. Clinton can lay claim to thoroughness without addressing these darkest of allegations against the Clinton White House.
As noted previously, the secret "Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce" report makes clear that Hillary feared the Internet in 1995 chiefly because it served as a conduit for speculation regarding the Clinton body count – the growing number of Clinton critics, whistleblowers, former lovers, business associates and eyewitnesses to Clinton scandals of one sort or another who had been threatened, beaten, murdered or, in several cases, reportedly committed suicide.
The Clintons were hardly settled in the White House when Internet chatter about the "body count" began spilling over into mainstream media – into foreign media, that is. Most U.S. journalists were no more willing to touch the story in the early '90s than they are now.
"[A] peculiar pattern of suicides and violence surrounds people connected to the Clintons or their associates," noted the staid British journal the Economist on July 9, 1994. "It may be no more than coincidence, but it prompts questions."
Why so many people with knowledge of Clinton scandals met sudden and often violent deaths remains a mystery. Perhaps the Clintons were just lucky. Whatever the reason, the "peculiar pattern of suicides and violence" that surrounded the Clintons was an open secret in Washington from the earliest days of their co-presidency.
When covering Clinton scandals, journalists in the know feared for their safety. The most widely publicized case of journalist-bashing on the Clinton beat involved L.J. Davis, a contributing editor of Harper's magazine. New Republic Editor Andrew Sullivan dispatched Davis to Little Rock, Ark., to look into the Whitewater scandal. Davis produced a brilliant report titled, "The Name of the Rose."
Published April 4, 1994, Davis' nine-page cover story artfully untangled the spaghetti-like business relationships that bound the Clintons and the Rose Law Firm to an elusive, global network of money launderers, drug runners, and S&L pillagers, many with links to the corrupt Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
Davis told New York Post columnist Deroy Murdock that a "high government official" in Washington had warned him against lingering too long in Little Rock. "You've gotten into a red zone," said the official. "Work your ass off and get out of there as fast as possible."
Davis did not get out fast enough.
At about 6:30 p.m., on Feb. 14, 1994 – St. Valentine's Day – Davis went to his room in the Legacy Hotel and unlocked the door. The next thing he remembers is waking up four hours later with a lump "the size of a darning needle over my left ear." Davis' doctor told the Wall Street Journal that the wound was not consistent with a fall, but looked more as if Davis had been struck with a blunt object. The hapless journalist suffered a concussion and a blood clot on the brain, for which he was given medication.
Davis' watch and wallet were not stolen, but several pages of his notebook had been torn half through, as if someone had been rifling through them.
Davis bravely stayed on in Little Rock until his work was done. But things got stranger by the day. On March 8, Davis e-mailed a partial draft of his story to the New Republic. The phone rang in his hotel room three hours later.
"What you're doing makes [Iran-Contra Independent Counsel] Lawrence Walsh look like a rank amateur," said a man's voice.
"Who is this?" asked Davis.
"Seems to me you've got your bell rung too many times. But did you hear what I said?" the man continued.
"Yes, I did," Davis replied. The mystery caller hung up.
The man's remarks, especially his crack about Lawrence Walsh, seemed to indicate that he had intercepted and read Davis' draft. "Somebody seems to be reading my computer transmissions," Davis told Murdock. "Whoever called me knew what I'd just sent to the New Republic."
Hillary's War Room
During the 1992 presidential campaign, Clinton strategists famously huddled in a so-called "War Room" under Hillary's direction. It was Hillary who gave the War Room its name. Later, Hillary designated the White House office where she directed Shadow Team operations as a "War Room." In December 2004, Democrats set up a "War Room" in the U.S. Senate, in obvious emulation of Hillary's longstanding practice. Outraged by this affront to the Senate's collegial tradition, Republicans responded by setting up a "Peace Room."
What goes on in these war rooms? Regarding the original 1992 War Room, the Washington Post reported:
The War Room was set up to gather as much intelligence as possible and quickly turn it to Clinton's advantage. Campaign advisers tried to anticipate what stories reporters were working on in hopes of shaping those stories before they were written. James Carville and others combed through daily news media reports like intelligence analysts, trying to ferret out information that would help them figure it out.
By some accounts, the War Room's activities were far less innocuous than those described in the Washington Post. In Judicial Watch's lawsuit on behalf of former Clinton lover Gennifer Flowers, Larry Klayman – who at that time headed Judicial Watch – charged that "Mrs. Clinton ... conceived of, ran, and used the War Room to smear, defame and harm perceived adversaries ..."
Could it be that illegal wiretapping, such as L.J. Davis experienced, was one of the methods the War Room used to "anticipate what stories reporters were working on," as the Washington Post so daintily put it? Could it be that cold-cocking journalists in hotel corridors was one of its techniques for "shaping" stories "before they were written?" We can only speculate.
Such speculation acquires a keener edge, however, when we consider some of the personnel whom Hillary recruited for her black operations.
The Chokehold
In his 1996 book, "The Seduction of Hillary Rodham," journalist David Brock notes that Hillary exerted her power chiefly through the White House counsel's office. "Hillary was the de facto [White House] counsel," he writes. "Through her control of the counsel's office, which functions as the president's in-house law firm, Hillary had a chokehold on the entire government."
In order to tighten her "chokehold," Hillary set up what Brock calls a "Shadow Counsel's office" – working parallel to the ordinary White House counsel's office, but answering directly to Hillary loyalist Harold McEwan Ickes (pronounced ICK-eez).
Ickes was well-suited to the task of heading this secretive operation. As a New York labor lawyer, Ickes had represented numerous corrupt unions controlled by the Gambino, Colombo, Genovese, Lucchese and other organized crime families. His work on behalf of gangsters and labor racketeers brought him perilously close to prosecution, but Ickes displayed a Houdini-like gift for evading the authorities. "There are more than a couple of prosecutors in this city who believe that the only thing separating Harold Ickes and a jail cell is his ability to go strong and silent in the face of tough questions," noted New York Post columnist Mike McAlary in 1993.
Ickes' personal loyalty to Hillary is impressive. He ran her successful Senate campaign in 2000 and continues serving her today as the Shadow Party's de facto CEO.
A former New Left militant during the '60s, Ickes traveled in 1965 to the Dominican Republic, where a junta of left-wing colonels was trying to restore deposed President Juan Bosch to power. Bosch was a socialist who had spent two years of his exile in Castro's revolutionary Cuba.
Fearful that the Dominican Republic would go the way of Cuba, President Lyndon Johnson dispatched 22,000 Marines to the island nation on April 29, 1965. After fierce fighting, the leftist colonels were beaten. The socialist Bosch stood for election on June 1, 1966, losing to the pro-American candidate Joaquin Balaguer, who took 56.3 percent of the vote.
Ickes' role in these events is obscure. In an Oct. 15, 1994, profile on Ickes, the Boston Globe stated:
[H]aving traveled to the Dominican Republic to help deposed leftist president Juan Bosch return to office, [Ickes] was present when Lyndon Johnson – citing a communist threat – dispatched the U.S. Marines to occupy the country and keep Bosch and his rebels from power. After touring Latin America, Ickes came home and joined the anti-war movement ..."
The Globe did not explain by what means Ickes sought to "help" Bosch and his leftist colonels "return to office." However, the episode suggests that Ickes' involvement with the far left went beyond the ordinary civil-rights activism and anti-Vietnam protests, which most of his journalistic profiles cite. Whether as a Mob lawyer or a covert participant in Latin American coups, Ickes has spent more than 40 years living and working in the company of killers.
Hillary's Private Eyes
A significant portion of the Shadow Team's operations were carried out by private investigators, among them: Terry Lenzner, founder and chairman of the powerful Washington, D.C., detective firm Investigative Group International; high-ticket San Francisco private eye Jack Palladino and his wife Sandra Sutherland; and Hollywood sleuth Anthony J. Pellicano.
Former congressional investigator Barbara Olson writes that, "In the political life of the Clintons, it was she [Hillary] who pioneered the use of private detectives. It was she who brought in and cultivated the professional dirt-diggers and smear artists."
Hillary's detectives engaged in "a systematic campaign to intimidate, frighten, threaten, discredit and punish innocent Americans whose only misdeed is their desire to tell the truth in public," former Clinton adviser Dick Morris charged in the New York Post of Oct. 1, 1998.
Hillary's secret police tend to be a tight-lipped bunch, professionally skilled at keeping a low profile. However, we know more about Anthony "The Pelican" Pellicano than about most Hillary operatives, thanks to his boastfulness and taste for the limelight. Pellicano's violent career as a private investigator reveals much about the sorts of qualifications Hillary sought in her Shadow Team.
In the January 1992 issue of GQ magazine, Pellicano boasted of the dirty work he had performed for his clients, including blackmail and physical assault. He claimed to have beaten one of his client's enemies with a baseball bat. "I'm an expert with a knife," said Pellicano. "I can shred your face with a knife."
FBI agents raided Pellicano's West Hollywood office on Nov. 22, 2002, and arrested him on federal weapons charges. In his office, they found gold, jewelry, and about $200,000 in cash – most of it bundled in $10,000 wrappers – thousands of pages of transcripts of illegal wiretaps; two handguns; and various explosive devices stored in safes, including two live hand grenades and a pile of C4 plastic explosive, complete with blasting cap and detonation cord.
C4 is a military explosive that cannot be sold legally to civilians. Pellicano had a surprisingly large quantity in his safe. "The explosive could easily be used to blow up a car, and was in fact strong enough to bring down an airplane," noted Special Agent Stanley Ornellas in a sworn affidavit.
The FBI raided Pellicano's office after an accomplice ratted him out. Ex-convict Alexander Proctor told the FBI that Pellicano had hired him to threaten and intimidate Los Angeles Times reporter Anita Busch, who had been poking her nose a little too deeply into a feud between Mafia kingpins and actor Steven Seagal. It seems that Seagal's former friend and production partner, Julius R. Nasso, was tied to the Gambino crime family. When Seagal and Nasso quarreled, the dispute got ugly.
Rough stuff
On the morning of June 20, 2002, reporter Anita Busch approached her car, which was parked near her home. To her horror, she saw a bullet-hole in her windshield. A cardboard sign taped to the glass bore one word: "Stop." A dead fish with a long-stemmed rose in its mouth lay on the hood.
Busch took the hint. She immediately went into hiding, staying in a series of hotels at her paper's expense, while the FBI and the Los Angeles Police Deprtment's organized-crime division investigated.
A break in the case seemed to come when ex-convict Alexander Proctor spilled the beans to an undercover FBI informant. Proctor reportedly told the informant, on tape, that it was not the Mafia who were harassing Anita Busch – it was Steven Seagal! Proctor said that Seagal hired detective Anthony Pellicano to intimidate the woman into silence. Pellicano, in turn, had subcontracted Proctor to do the dirty work.
"He wanted to make it look like the Italians were putting the hit on her, so it wouldn't reflect on Seagal," Proctor told the informant. Proctor accused Pellicano of ordering him to "blow up" or set fire to Busch's car to frighten her. However, Proctor said he got cold feet and merely damaged the car, leaving the dead fish and "Stop" sign as calling cards.
A federal judge sentenced Pellicano to 30 months in prison for possession of the hand grenades and C4. Later, on June 17, 2005, Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley charged him with conspiracy and making threats against former Los Angeles Times reporter Anita Busch. He will likely face prosecution for illegal wiretapping.
Pellicano's 2002 arrest was big news in Hollywood. Article after article touted Pellicano as a "celebrity sleuth" and a "private detective to the stars," whose client list had included the likes of Elizabeth Taylor, Kevin Costner, Sylvester Stallone, Roseanne Barr, O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson (whose chronic problem with child molestation charges provided Pellicano with plenty of damage-control work).
Despite the sensational coverage, few mainstream news organizations uttered the name of Pellicano's most famous client: Hillary Rodham Clinton. "Of the more than two dozen media reports on Pellicano's Thursday arrest so far, none have mentioned his ties to the Clinton attack machine," reported NewsMax on Nov. 23, 2002."
A detailed, 1,680-word round-up of the Pellicano case published in the New York Times on Nov. 11, 2003 – a full year after his arrest – made no mention of Hillary's name, nor even hinted at Pellicano's White House connection. Only Internet media such as NewsMax.com focused relentlessly on his Clinton ties.
The omission was deliberate. Pellicano's involvement in Clinton damage-control operations – including his well-known efforts to discredit former Clinton lovers Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky – has been public knowledge for years, the details available to any journalist with a Nexis account.
The taint of violent criminality that infected Hillary's Shadow Team cannot be denied. Pellicano's arrest and conviction – not to mention Harold Ickes' Mob law practice – speak for themselves.
Less clear are some of the specific uses to which Hillary put her Shadow Team. Here, we must enter the realm of deduction and speculation – an endeavor of which Howard Dean and his fellow Democrats would surely approve – and one which leads us inexorably to that most perplexing of Clinton mysteries: the death of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster.
Richard Poe is the investigative editor of David Horowitz's Center for the Study of Popular Culture, as well as managing editor of Horowitz's group blog Moonbat Central. The views expressed in Poe's book, "Hillary's Secret War," are the author's own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture.
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bm? I'm almost afraid to ask, but, um... what does that mean?
Well, I have been posting about this amazing book, Hillary's Secret War, for months. Nothing else written about Hillary comes close. And in America today, no subject is more important.
I wish they could come out with a paperback version, because I know hardback is expensive. But if you can budget for 1 hardback book between now and 11/2008---this is the one to go for.
Aside from above material, the Foster apparent murder, the Ron Brown apparent murder, and numerous other murders, it covers Hillary's war with the Internet, so relevant to us here personally who love FR.
It is from this book that I got my oft-repeated statement that Hillary literally started worrying about Conservative Internet attacks on her before hardly any conservatives really even figured out how to use the Internet---in 1995!
The Ron Brown murder is so over the top! The woman who was his girlfriend at the time of his death reports a scene where Brown threatens Bill Clinton that he better start taking care of him [Brown] over some illegal stuff he did. Clinton sits there steely eyed---says nothing.
Then, at the last minute, Brown is assigned to some mission in Europe. Someone steels a homing device of the type used to guide planes) from the airport he is to fly into. The plane flies directly into a mountain. The weather is described in the media as a horrible storm, but is, in fact, a light drizzle. And when they get to the plane wreck, with everyone dead, Brown has a bullet in his head! Yet, there is no investigation whatsoever, event though a number of miliatary medical people involved demand one. Their careers are ruined!
I feel like a lone person wandering the wilderness on this one. It seems impossible to me that we could have Hillary elected president without this book coming to light.
The book is solid. It is all facts. For example, it does not say that the Clintons were responsible for Brown's death. Yet, the facts make it cleat they were. This is only one incident in the book!
I cannot beleive that Sean Hannity, Jim Quinn, etc. cannot interview this author. The technique of the book is solid. Footnoted. Sourced. I have met Richard Poe, and he is a very articulate guy, would make an excellent interview.
This book is Job 1, folks. I simply cannot believe hillary can be eelcted if news of this book gets out. Course, trying to publicize it might get you killed...
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Thanks, strategofr!
"bm? I'm almost afraid to ask, but, um... what does that mean?"
Bowel movement.
just lazy for bookmark, LOL!
Sorry....
FreeRepublic founder Jim Robinson has written the Foreword to "Hillary's Secret War." He also took the unprecedented step of posting an official call to the FR membership to, "Freep this Book," asking all Freepers who are able to purchase a copy of "Hillary's Secret War" or request that their local libraries purchase it.
I just ordered mine. Folks, the Clinton game plan is obvious. All they have to do is persuade somebody to run a third-party campaign (like Ross Perot) in 2008 and the Clintons will be back in the White House for another eight years. America will be toast if that happens.
Thanks for the encouragement. I will go buy it tonight though.
I picked this up on the recommendation of another freeper. It was fantastic. My only complaint is that it wasn't longer.
It's a definate must read for everybody.
Ahhh!
definate=definite
Oliver Stone's audience:
1. Bums looking for a place to sleep who are so drugged, stoned or drunk they're incapable of recognizing bullsh*t in its very purest form.
2. Grinning old senile Commies barely able to totter into the theater who laugh uproariously in all the wrong places and spill their popcorn into the laps of frizzled-haired liberal matrons sitting around them.
3. Gay guys between boyfriends who are attracted to Stone's personality.
4. Intellectuals who decided to act as their own lawyer in the divorce proceedings and lost everything and now spend all their time in escapist fantasy flicks.
5. Illegal immigrants who are learning English by going to the movies and don't mind being bored.
6. Movie critics who are patriotically challenged.
When does the prosecutor go after the criminal duo?
My apologies: I posted my Oliver Stone comments on the wrong thread!
This time it's not a caffeine overdose, more like being out of my mind by dwelling too much on Hollywood mutants like Stone.
"When does the prosecutor go after the criminal duo?"
Right after we elect a president who gives a damn.
Expect your feet to get very, very cold before that happens, however. Hell will have frozen over first.
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"Then, at the last minute, Brown is assigned to some mission in Europe. Someone steels a homing device of the type used to guide planes) from the airport he is to fly into. The plane flies directly into a mountain. The weather is described in the media as a horrible storm, but is, in fact, a light drizzle. And when they get to the plane wreck, with everyone dead, Brown has a bullet in his head! Yet, there is no investigation whatsoever, event though a number of miliatary medical people involved demand one. Their careers are ruined! "
Don't forget the stewardess, who was alive and all right, taken to a hospital, and died mysteriously shortly thereafter. Something about a pin prick under her arm, IIRC.
You're welcome.
""The Clintons were hardly settled in the White House when Internet chatter about the "body count""
Internet chatter in 1993-94? Must have been a lonely conversation
"I picked this up on the recommendation of another freeper"
How soon they forget! I was the freeper, it seems to me.
"Don't forget the stewardess, who was alive and all right, taken to a hospital, and died mysteriously shortly thereafter. Something about a pin prick under her arm, IIRC."
I have been unable, so far, to find a reference to this in the book. I will look again later. I do notice, however, that Niko Junic, the airport maintenance chief, "...died of gunshot wounds three days after the crash. Officials ruled his death a suicide after a one-day investigation."
Some day, perhaps, WorldNetDaily will reach DebkaFile's credibility level.
Then, at the last minute, Brown is assigned to some mission in Europe. Someone steels a homing device of the type used to guide planes) from the airport he is to fly into.
The Instrument Landing System vanished from the Dubrovnik airfield during the war. Most likely, lifted by light-fingered Serbs. It was a valuable piece of equipment (~$500,000) that some warlord could sell, or some Serbian clown could install on an airfield on his own property. It is not the only way to land on instruments by any means (the military practices about six different kinds of approaches, including some that civilian pilots do not use, like PAR).
A substitute system, called a Non-Directional Beacon, was in place. Every pilot (civilian and military) learns to fly NDB approaches as part of his instrument rating. Pilots who fly into the poorer parts of the world, like Africa and South America, rely on these extensively. In North America they are less important.
The NDB approach at Dubrovnik used TWO different NDBs (one to line up with the runway, one to tell you when it was time to get out of there if you didn't see the runway yet) and required, under USAF regulations, two Automatic Direction Finding (ADF) receivers. The VC-37 had only one but the crew, worn out after a hard week, made the fateful decision to "get it done regardless". They probably tried to cross tune one receiver to keep an eye on two beacons. This is bad procedure -- it's legal for civilian airmen but forbidden by AFIs and at least some airline operating manuals. It increases the likelihood of operational error. QED.
The plane flies directly into a mountain.
Happens so frequently there's an acronym for it, CFIT. (Controlled Flight Into Terrain). Happened right along the main NDB, but AFTER the missed approach point where intersecting the second NDB should have told them to climb. It is mountainous there! Very bad place to be in an airplane you can't see out of.
The weather is described in the media as a horrible storm, but is, in fact, a light drizzle.
The weather was not the kind of storm that slams the plane to the ground, but it WAS the kind of clouds that obscures mountains. That's all that's needed for a plane bungling an instrument approach to come a cropper.
And when they get to the plane wreck, with everyone dead,
Actually, one crewmember survived the crash but did not make it to the hospital.
Brown has a bullet in his head!
There is no evidence for a bullet in Brown's head, first. If the plan was to crash his plane, there is not much percentage in putting a bullet in him afterward (and the injury described by conspiracy moonbats as a "bullet hole," did not happen afterward). If some assassin put a bullet in his head before, on the other hand, (1) why crash the plane, and (2) a bit hard on the assassin. I gotta believe even Hiillary doesn't have a bottomless pool of henchmen. Even the prolific Kennedys are running out of felonious cousins.
As far as the damage to Brown's body is concerned, if you think that's unusual you haven't looked at a lot of accident victims. I will spare FReepers a discussion of what human remains are, after a high-velocity crash. In one mishap I know of, hands floated ashore for two weeks. Hands. Yet, there is no investigation whatsoever, event though a number of miliatary [sic] medical people involved demand one.
This is the most contemptible of all the lies, impugning as it does the officers who sat on the AFI 51-3 board and the professional safety officers and accident investigators that investigated this mishap. You owe them an apology.
Their careers are ruined!
Whose? The only careers I know of being damaged (let alone ruined) were officers who were derelict in their duty to insure that the 89th Airlift Wing could carry out this kind of mission.
The accident board report is not publicly available (parts of it may be here and there), but this accident is deconstructed by then-Lt. Col. Tony Kern in a book: "Darker Shades of Blue: The Rogue Pilot."
Flying has integral hazards. You don't need a conspiracy when someone screws up. Most people (including FReepers) know diddly about flying and about the USAF, so they are vulnerable to this kind of fever-swamp conspiracy stuff.
Finally, consider, so what if Brown had told all he knew? Say, in order to try to save his skin or to spite Clinton. So what? Didn't Mike Espy pretty much do that? And Espy went to jail (or whatever his sentence was) and Clinton was untouched byany blowback, with three networks and Christ knows how many newspapers playing damage control for him.
In WND's feverish world, planes never crash, somebody has to bring them down. I wish that were true: Ron Brown would still be around today (maybe in pokey, but alive) and so would an awful lot of people including many I called friends.
Terrorists or criminals brought down the following planes:
There have been some unsuccessful plots as well (Operation Bojinka, Air France 8969) to use planes as weapons. But the same investigatory techniques and skills that let us point the finger on these listed misdeeds, show us the causes of many other accidents taken by the ill-informed to be terroristic in nature, such was TWA 800, AA 587, and Alaska 261 to name a few.
The sky is an unnatural environment for humans. Any error or procedural flub or unforeseen circumstance can bring that home in a heartbeat.
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Criminal Number 18F
Could have been. I'm just as bad with screen names as I am regular names. LOL
Easy to read and absolutely captivating!
Your number is buried somewhere. Please call me. I'll send you FReepmail if you don't have my number.
I read your book and it was great. We have to stop this woman (creature) from lying her way into the Oval Office with the help of the MSM! Thanks so much for doing all you can to expose the truth about her. I am sure you can identify with Ed Klein who is being blackballed for writing his book on her. The media is going to do all they can to make sure the public doesn't know or believe the truth.!
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Excellent Book! Highly recommend!
But I thought we were suppose to be discussing Karl Rove's so-called smear campaign on President Bush's so-called perceived enemies. /sarcasm
I can't imagine the Clintons doing such low-life things to their perceived adversaries. /sarcasm
If the OLD MEDIA tried as hard to get to the bottom of the Clinton scandals as they have tried to pin something, anything on the Bush administration this country would be better off for it. But, their biases keeps them from reporting anything that puts a Clinton, et al in a bad light.
Stop this woman?! YES!
I saved this thread for when I have more time to read! Thanks.
YOU are being WAY TOO RATIONAL in not appreciating "this kind of fever-swamp conspiracy stuff".
I haven't read this book yet, but I plan to do so, and I encourage all Feepers to do the same. I think that this is much like the book, Partners in Power that came out befor the first Clinton election. Read it, I'm going to.
While I've always had a problem with the ROn Brown thing and aspects of the "clinton body count" it DOES say something that Pellicano is what he is (a scumbag) and that he worked in the White House(and not as a janitor.)
That SAYS something about the Clinton White House, or at least the parts HIllary managed. One not need to be a murderer to try to intimidate people at the behest of a powerful actor or politician.
I left out the stewardess because published accounts of her case conflicted on several points, and I did not have time to research the matter independently before my deadline.
RegulatorCountry replied: Bowel movement.
Oh. I was hoping it meant something different in FR jargon. I gather, then, that federal didn't like my article?
Internet chatter in 1993-94? Must have been a lonely conversation.
Actually, the Internet was quite lively even at that early date. Matt Drudge, for example, started his Web site in 1994.
As noted in my book — and also in Part 2 of the excerpt/adaptation series currently running on WorldNetDaily — the Mosaic browser came on the market in February 1993, greatly simplifying the process of accessing the World Wide Web.
You are right, of course, in noting that the Internet was still in its infancy during the 1993-94 period. At that time, anti-Clinton commentators were more likely to post to Usenet newsgroups such as alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater or commercial online services such as Prodigy. All the same, the Internet was plainly a significant force in alternative media, even as early as 1993-94.
Oh, thanks. That sounds much better than "bowel movement." ;-D
Hillary Clinton is acutely aware of the damage the internet can cause her presidential aspirations. As Jim Robinson wrote in your forward:
She knows she can't get back in the White house unless she shuts us down first. The secret war Richard writes about is still going on. It died down a little bit when Bush took office, but it's just the lull before the storm. We know the storm is coming, and we're getting ready for it.
Thank you for making us aware of this threat and assisting in leading the good fight.
Criminal Number 18F retorts: "So many lies, so little time. ... This is the most contemptible of all the lies, impugning as it does the officers who sat on the AFI 51-3 board and the professional safety officers and accident investigators that investigated this mishap. You owe them an apology.
Their careers are ruined!
"Whose? The only careers I know of being damaged (let alone ruined) were officers who were derelict in their duty to insure that the 89th Airlift Wing could carry out this kind of mission." _________________________________________________________
Dear Criminal Number 18F:
Personally, I do not blame the Ron Brown investigators for whitewashing the crash inquiry. I'm sure they did exactly what they were ordered to do, and very few people — even in civilian life — are willing to disobey direct orders from their superiors.
What is extraordinary about the Ron Brown case is that no fewer than four members of the forensic investigation team actually did step forward and publicly charge that Brown's death was being whitewashed. The names of the four whistleblowers are as follows:
Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell, US Air Force
Deputy Medical Examiner with the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP)
Lt. Col. David Hause, US Army
AFIP pathologist
Major Thomas Parsons, US Air Force
AFIP pathologist
Chief Petty Officer Kathleen Janoski, US Navy
Head of AFIP forensic photography unit
All four were reprimanded and ordered to stop talking about the investigation. You correctly point out that plane crashes are common, but I do not think it is common for high-ranking AFIP personnel to publicly accuse their superiors of partaking in a whitewash. Surely this merits a raised eyebrow, at the very least.
Thank you, Quilla, for your kind words. You have placed me in very august company!
Yes, I very much empathize with Ed Klein, and did my best to give him a helping hand by reviewing his book and interviewing him for FrontPage.
Yeah, it was also interesting that the guy who was eased out of FNI after Ruby Ridge wound up working for Clinton's outside PI. I am not saying that Clinton was pure as snow. (He learned a valuable lesson from Nixon: don't use government employees for your misdeeds, go to the dreaded private sector).
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
Thanks for that detail. It looks like they were slapped down for talking publicly... if you want to be a leaker in the military then you have to be ready to face the music. That reminds me of the 60s "civil disobedience" kids who thought they were emulating Thoreau, but were shocked that a night in jail was part of the deal.
If a person had a fatal head wound (to the crown of the head? I can't remember the last time I shot anyone in the crown of the head, can you?) some time before the plane crash, it would be obvious to a pathologist that the crash damage to the body was postmortem. If he got the hole after the crash -- why? He was dead as a mackerel.
You have a bunch of people who didn't witness the medical examination who are complaining, and one who did and is not qualified to assess the performance of the doctor. It's a weak group -- as for the OERs, OERs routinely say average guys walk on water, and then they suddenly turn into slugs when they get crosswise with a commander. Yes, this could result solely from one violation, like leaking to the press when one should not. And no, the guy probably wasn't the embodiment of Jesus before his fall and of Lucifer afterwards, regardless of how the evals read.
Leaking to the press without consequence is not a constitutional right. You can do it but you have to take the consequences, if any (a good reason for all in the service to keep reporters of all kinds at arm's length).
I am curious as to why Brown was not autopsied? It may be an expressed family presence; black Americans are more likely to not want an autopsy than white (I have no idea why). Jews resist autopsy for religious reasons, but I do not believe that Brown was Jewish. The AFIP may have gone along because the normal reason for autopsy is to determine cause of death and it is normal in a plane crash to have multiple trauma. In the sixties they used to be very specific ("Cause of death, complete cerebral evulsion" or "Cause of death, aortic separatation caused by deceleration trauma") nowadays they are aware that families wind up seeing these reports and not wanting to know Dad had his brain sucked out or was ripped to pieces, they put "multiple injuries" or "multiple nonsurvivable decleration injuries."
Richard, an airplane crash kills occupants five ways:
1. Deceleration forces are so strong as to be unsurvivable.
2. Structure intrudes in the space they take up.
3. Unrestrained occupants strike internal parts of the a/c interior (this may be the cause of the hole in Ron's head)
4. Trauma causes death by exsanguination, shock or untreated injury before help can come.
5. Fire causes poisoning and thermal injuries (no factor here).
CFIT accidents in turbine aircraft usually have no survivors because they usually are so violent as to cause fatal deceleration trauma (in the service we used to say, "he got deceleration sickness"). The violence of the accident can be placed into G forces through some straightforward equations. Look for Naval Flight Surgeons online; the equations are in their .pdf accident investigation guide. (Sorry, no link, I have a paper copy).
The factors in the equation are: the distance it took to stop (the human), and the time it took to stop, and the speed from which he or she was stopping. Humans can take a lot of Gs for a very short time but a CFIT crash into a mountainside can produce forty G or more for almost a second.
And nothing seems to address the logical question of, why shoot the guy and crash the plane? Just crashing the plane would do for him, and shooting the guy would leave evidence he'd been shot.
As far as military officers following orders -- you cite several examples of ones who did not! And most officers would not follow orders to participate in a murder cover up. It. Would. Not. Happen. Even enlisted soldiers and airmen are shown videos about lawful and unlawful orders and warned against obeying the latter.
The idea that the military would do this, for Clinton, is even more laughable. I was in uniform when Slick came in and in uniform when he went out. During the Clinton years, my unit stopped toasting The President on formal occasions, and oaths of reinlistment often were heard as "enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC!!" -- Clinton loathed the military, as he famously said, and it's fair to say that it gave him his Constitutional due, but the people in it loathed him right back.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
Funny, it was Cashill exactly who turned me from a WND reader to a detractor -- before, I just ignored that one guy who was all-marijuana-all-the-time. I think Joe Farah is alright, he's just very gullible. Cashill and Sanders are two of the biggest liars afoot today, selling conspiracy stories to bereaved relatives. It's shameful.
I don't know how Ickes made a couple of pilots screw up about seven different ways, or got the Jeppesen chart of the approach printed wrong (I didn't mention that before, I should have done, but there was an error in the terrain clearance on the instrument approach chart.
The USAF usually uses military charts but they are on a longer update cycle and so there was none for Dubrovnik. So they used a civilian chart published by the Jeppesen company, same as airliners and pilots of smaller planes would use, and it was wrong. About 240 feet off if I recall... without pulling the file I can't remember whether that error was a factor, but it sure made the USAF leery of Jepp charts. In the civilized world they are very good, but in places like Croatia, which was at the time a struggling state, they get them from the local aviation authority.
Anyway, knowing that Ickes made the arrangements (if you trust Cashill, which I don't, but perhaps he names his source) sets you up to make innuendo about the crash, but doesn't actually prove anything. Ickes was chief of staff -- who the heck does make these arrangements? He probably set up a lot of flights for a lot of other Cabinet members (as gatekeeper to the executive VIP flight wing). Only some of whom died in murky circumstances.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
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