Posted on 07/12/2005 12:28:26 PM PDT by ToveL
I print below an email message I have received from a Muslim. I do so because I believe this writer to be expressing views shared by many, if not most, mainstream Muslims in Britain, the kind who would be utterly horrified by terrorism and are therefore considered to be ‘moderate’.
'I am a Muslim and a regular reader of the Daily Mail. I much enjoy reading your columns. Today, on the 10th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Serbia, I ponder to think what on Earth lead to such hatred against a minority group. What twisted mind could have incited it?'Then I read your article ('No Surrender', Daily Mail, July 12, p 12) and found my answer. My theory is that a continual drip, drip of anti-Islamic propaganda fed to the Serbian population - much the same that I read in your article today - lead to the vicious pogroms against our community and the disaster that befell the Muslims of Srebrenica. This is the same propaganda which says that Islam is a violent religion, that Muslims are not integrated, that they condone violence and that they do not denounce it and take action and so on. The integration argument was employed particularly against the Jews of Poland who comprised nearly a third of all Poles and who were virtually wiped out overnight during the second World War.
'I find your stance on integration and denunciations particularly intriguing coming from someone who cannot make up her mind whether she is British or Israeli. After all, you spectacularly failed to answer a question on BBC TV, coming from a fellow Jew, as to who you would support if there was a conflict between Britain and Israel. You demand that British Muslims account for actions taken in the name of Islam. You should look nearer home. Israel was created (from stolen Arab land) in the name of all the Jews in the world. It is written into Israel's constitution. You should know. Every single atrocity carried out by the Jewish state against her Muslim neighbours since - the continual land theft, the massacres in refugee camps like Sabra and Shatila, the denial that Palestinians even exist - has, is and will be carried out in the name of Judaism and all the Jews in the world. Yet I have not heard any denunciations coming from yourself nor I have heard you call for British Jews to denounce these things.
'I do not think that British Jews, many of whom carry Israeli passports, should have to account for Israel any more than British Muslims have to account for Al-Qaeda. I do not think that Judaism is an inherently violent religion despite every evil committed in it's name by Israel. I do not think that Jews are any different to others even if the only Jewish state in the world is a military monster, a pariah which is becoming increasingly unpopular. I just find it ironic that you of all people demand that British Muslims - who have just a British passport and are truly British - apologise for being the victims of bombings in our own cities as a result of policies in Iraq which we stood against. People are rightly angry at what has happened in the city that I love and in which I live. But I wonder what they would think if London - like Baghdad - was bombed by a coalition which left over 100,000 people dead, or if Londoners were forced to live in refugee camps because some Jews proclaimed London as their holy land and that henceforth, no non-Jew would be allowed to live there. Is it inconceivable that people would be angry? Is it outrageous to think that some people would be driven by revenge to take action? Londoners are not stupid. If were indeed attacked by Al-Qaeda then we know exactly why it happened.
'When the IRA bombed London, there was no commentary about Christianity being a religion of the sword. We sat down with the IRA and we reached an agreement. If we sat down with Al-Qaeda I have no doubt that we would find that they too have similar concerns to the IRA. I think they would tell us that if We stopped meddling with their countries then they would stop meddling in ours (or rather, my country since I do not know your allegiance). I think however, that the main reason why you would be very uncomfortable with a dialogue with Al-Qaeda is because the British people would find out that - to adapt a phrase coined by Bill Clinton - it's Palestine, stupid. Iraq will eventually become a non-issue and we are now hearing leaked plans for a withdrawal of British troops, but the Palestine issue has been a festering sore ever since western powers gave that country away to create a Jewish state in 1948. Israel has created instability not only in the Middle East, but has managed to drag the rest of the world into the conflict. It called for war in Iraq and is now calling for action against Syria and Iran. It is a liability. This realisation by the British people is what you really fear.
'Furthermore, the excuse that young Muslims are somehow inflamed by radical preachers is a convenient excuse used by many to detract from the real causes of discontent. Would-be Al-Qaeda operatives are just as likely to regularly attend mosques as zionists are likely to regularly attend synagogues. Everyone knows that our mosques are finding it difficult to retain youngsters. Like many other religious establishments, our mosques are mainly staffed with conservative establishment figures who have little clue about contemporary culture. Instead, you will find young Muslims in our universities, hospitals, schools, civil service and every other place where Muslims have been a part of Britain for some time now. They don't need radical preachers to inflame them, as the policies of Bush and Blair are doing a nice enough job thank you very much. Commentary of the sort they read in the Daily Mail written by you today will already add to their grievances and sense of injustice. In this, you and Al-Qaeda share one aim, as the aim of Al-Qaeda is also to cause resentment against the Muslim community and divide them from other communities. It is fortunate therefore, that people will not fall for this trick and despite the best efforts of Al-Qaeda and yours truly, will remain united in the face of terror.’
To this reader, and to other Muslims reading this website who may think something similar or worse, I would just say this. It would be futile to try here to correct the distortions and inappropriate comparisons contained in these remarks, which I’m sure were written in the very sincere belief that they are all true and entirely valid. To try to do so would be to pit oneself against a whole culture which misrepresents both the past and the present and insists that falsehood is truth.
While mainstream Muslims persist in subscribing to such a morally warped victim culture constructed on untruth, error, denial of responsibility and, in particular, gross ignorance and prejudice on the subject of Israel and the Jews, they will alas continue to provide, however inadvertently and however much they may deny this in genuine horror, the sea in which terror swims. It cannot be stressed too much that the hatred that fuels Islamic terrorism does not derive solely from religious texts but is incited and inflamed by lies and distortions about the history and present actions of the west and above all about the Jews and about Israel — a world-view based on a wholesale denial and inversion of the truth which has poisoned the minds of millions.
Truth and lies are at the very heart of this terrible problem facing us all. The sense of grievance and injustice to which this reader refers is indeed very real. But it is the grievance of a people who turn their own misdeeds into their own victimology, thus making rational discourse all but impossible. The tragedy is that this reader and I undoubtedly have much in common — but what divides us is unbridgeable, unless the Muslim community starts to unpick the truth from the lies they have been told for so long.
when did it go up to 8,000? When 7,000 was not good enough?
I guess the same thing they thought when a murdering *astard tortured and killed about 10x that many innocent people in Baghdad.
When London allows a tyrant to murder, torture and rob entire families then we can equate it with Baghdad. And when London allows TERRORISTS to take over the area and hold the country hostage and starve the citizens to death while the "leader" and his/her family builds castles, eats, drinks and parties like a king and feeds their perceived enemies to their "pet" lions we can compare the two.
If this person cares so much for Baghdad why isn't he/she living their and helping to protect it?!
So what was the excuse when Muslims invaded Spain in the year 711, killing or enslaving whomever they defeated, and demanding a "tribute" of 100 Christian virgins per year to use in their harems?
There is no way a muslim wrote that email. I don't see a single "blood of the martyrs, be upon them" or "durka durka, mohamed jihad" anywhere in the text.
Here's that article from the Daily Mail by Melanie Phillips which our Muslim friend refers to:
No Surrender
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1440370/posts
You mean the Dutch peacekeepers? The ones that were actually taken hostage by Serb forces?
SW
That's where I lost patience, too.
Never mind Israel per se was around thousands of years ago! Stolen my butt! Who stole it from whom?
While all the Muslims are the enemy now, the questions is can they become civilized through action, regardless whether the actions lead to freedoms or not? The answer is, yes, but it takes real action and not lip service. The clerics that preach hatred must be confronted and the sheep must begin to realize that they have been made our enemies by their following. I will not come to their defense only to be fooled by deceptive claims of separation between "extremist" and "moderate" because it is a Muslim catch 22 if one begins a separation before victory.
You are exactly right and instead of us saying you are our friend until you harm us or support people who do, just tell them you are our enemies until YOU prove to us you will not harm us.
In fact, taqqia is all the rage among islamists lately. Hamas, Hizbullah, and the muslim "Brotherhood" are all lining up to denounce the horrendous attack against the people of London. Anyone who believes their sincerity can line up to purchase your land in southern Kosovo, FormerLib!!!! Of course, none of these groups said anything against the Sept. 11th attack--quite the contrary. Nor wuld they denounce any attack against Americans, Serbs, Russians, or Israelis, and they still hate Brits and any other "infidel" as well.
In a few months, muslims in my locality will be holding those obscene Sept. 11th commemorations in their mosques, in which they say that the main point of Sept. 11th is "hate crimes" against muslims!!!! And there will be hundreds of mostly theologically "liberal" Christian and Jewish dhimmis in these mosques, lapping that ghastly lie up as if it were vintage wine! Well, the rest of us more orthodox Christians and our conservative Jewish compatriots are not so easily fooled, even if we are called "bigots" for shunning these meetings.
It will take a lot more than statements such as this from a tranparently antisemitic and Serbophobic individual to convince most of us of muslim sincerity in opposing terrorism. And islamofascists claiming to "oppose terrorism" can NEVER be believed, as long as they remain islamofascists!!!
In the UN that's Bolton, and the Dems are blocking him.
BTTT
The greek ...
Well, the latest from the British cops is that all four bombers are dead, and so there's no reason to pester any of the other 1.8 million Muslims living in London. Move right along. Nothing to see here. Buy a refrigerator.
I think we need to focus on the evil religion that it is
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE AND WE WILL KILL YOU TO PROVE IT
Never mind. If they get their Palestinian state with all the bells and whistles, propped up by western money ad infinitum, they'll continue to complain about everything else under the sun. If Israel disappeared in a puff of smoke tomorrow, they'd aim those long range missiles at the US. (Well, they're probably already aimed at the US.) They're Nazi's, they want to take over the world, and we'd better get serious about killing them.
We need to genetically engineer flying pigs. Then release them into the middle east.
Flying pigs = falling pig crap.
Then imagine Mecca covered in flying pig crap.
:-)
Islam is a cult.
A cult of death and murder. Its belief system goes against all the social norms of the rest of the planet.
What makes me sicker than Islam is how some of us in the Judeo Christian world make excuses for Islam.
That email could have been written by a DUmmie.
Argh, you beat me to the punch.
Imagine the day in which wild flying pigs roam free over the skies of Mecca, cr@pping freely on anyone or anything it pleases.
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