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HUGH HEWITT LIVE THREAD: BYRON YORK ON PLAME (MEDIA FRAUD / LIE) REVELATIONS
http://www.hughhewitt.com/ ^ | 7/12/05 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 07/12/2005 4:08:58 PM PDT by Steven W.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: byronyork; cialeak; hewitt; rove; talkradio
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1 posted on 07/12/2005 4:08:59 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.
Relevant Threads:

Lawyer: Cooper “Burned” Karl Rove

THE PASSIVE KARL ROVE AND THE ACTIVE JUDITH MILLER

2 posted on 07/12/2005 4:10:39 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

Listening.


3 posted on 07/12/2005 4:10:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: cripplecreek

Judith Miller is covered by Rove's waiver as drafted by prosecutor over a year ago so Miller has no reason to sit in jail unless she's protecting somebody (obviously not Rove or Libby)


4 posted on 07/12/2005 4:12:13 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

FYI, just listened to York on Mark Levin's show ~ 1/2 hour ago.


5 posted on 07/12/2005 4:13:30 PM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: Steven W.

I've been listening too. Just reread York's piece. Also Mark Levines!


6 posted on 07/12/2005 4:14:42 PM PDT by meema
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To: Steven W.

bookmark. dang. got to trot a child somewhere... KEEP GOOD NOTES! pls.


7 posted on 07/12/2005 4:15:59 PM PDT by Alia (Free Karl Rove! No Justice No Peace!)
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To: pookie18

Is Mark's show streamed somewhere?


8 posted on 07/12/2005 4:16:03 PM PDT by meema
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To: meema
Where is Mark Levin's? Link please!

Concurrence in DC that Miller is protecting the media and herself from disclosure she was the source & that even if it was Rove there's no 'there there' and the story is so inside baseball the DemoncRATs are desperate to try and get something going here.

9 posted on 07/12/2005 4:16:59 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: meema

Show live on WABC after Sean Hannity


10 posted on 07/12/2005 4:17:47 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: meema
http://www.wabcradio.com

He's on right now.

11 posted on 07/12/2005 4:18:42 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: meema

Anybody watching Hairball?

Chrissy Mattews is a about ready to the a rope and string up Rove himself...and he is loving it..

David Gregory is standing up on his show and telling lie after lie, after lie!!!


12 posted on 07/12/2005 4:20:52 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Steven W.

What a crap thread. What was said?


13 posted on 07/12/2005 4:21:12 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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Concurrence in DC that Miller is protecting the media and herself from disclosure she was the source

How did Miller find out is the question. Did Good Ol' Joe Wilson tell her?

14 posted on 07/12/2005 4:24:03 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Steven W.

I'm thinking that Millers going to jail is more of an attention getting ploy to inflate this situation far beyond what it deserves.

There was no reason for her to go to jail to protect a "source" who doesn't want protection.


15 posted on 07/12/2005 4:24:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: Steven W.
Thanks for the heads up.
16 posted on 07/12/2005 4:25:25 PM PDT by Chgogal (Egyptian Jihadist, "Psssst....we're running out of virgins. Spread the word.")
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To: Steven W.
even if it was Rove there's no 'there there'

My understanding is that there is no "there there" because no crime was committed. But what is Fitzgerald doing, then?

This thread is severely lacking.

17 posted on 07/12/2005 4:25:53 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide
Byron York reviewed what was written in his piece today with additional commentary that wasn't ripe for the article.

Hugh comments there was a press expose recently on Air America that exposed all kinds of real important stuff that MoveOn.org could care less about yet Plame wasn't even a covert agent that could have been exposed.

18 posted on 07/12/2005 4:26:10 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: meema

http://wabcradio.com/listenlive.asp


19 posted on 07/12/2005 4:27:30 PM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: SolidSupplySide
"What a crap thread. What was said?"

Same thing as in York's article. Only thing new: York said he didn't know why Miller is in jail, i.e., who she's protecting ...

20 posted on 07/12/2005 4:27:53 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: SolidSupplySide
pull up the show & contribute to the thread then ;)

speculation from York is that Fitzgerald either knows what Miller is hiding and needs her to verify it or that she's protecting herself (and the media) and thus cannot aford to testify (and thus give up the jig on the media's complicity in concocting this whole fraud).

Hugh Hewitt says that Miller's duplicity in these matters means she must have been the source.

21 posted on 07/12/2005 4:28:34 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.
Byron York reviewed what was written in his piece today with additional commentary that wasn't ripe for the article.

OK. Perhaps you could share some of that commentary?

Hugh comments there was a press expose recently on Air America that exposed all kinds of real important stuff that MoveOn.org could care less about yet Plame wasn't even a covert agent that could have been exposed.

Re-write this. I don't know what you are saying.

22 posted on 07/12/2005 4:28:45 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Steven W.
Hugh Hewitt says that Miller's duplicity in these matters means she must have been the source.

Does that mean Miller told Novak? I return to an earlier question: Who told Miller?

23 posted on 07/12/2005 4:30:27 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Txsleuth
David Gregory is standing up on his show and telling lie after lie, after lie!!!

Matthews and Gregory do that all the time. I stopped watching long ago because it was such a sleaze fest.

24 posted on 07/12/2005 4:33:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SolidSupplySide

So Miller is writing for the NYT on issues of WMD.

Plame is working for the CIA as an analyst on issues of WMD.

We know Pincus and his wife have these elite media DC cocktail parties that Wilson and the little Mrs. have attended.

It can't be too far off the reservation to think that Miller and Plame had met at one of these parties and that Plame may even have been a source in the past for some of Miller's writings.

I say Miller's the leaker and the NYT knows it. They have her bundled up in jail as they try to hold on to their last shred of credibility with anybody anywhere in the world.


25 posted on 07/12/2005 4:34:16 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: SolidSupplySide
There was some recent press article on 'new' Air America operations that exposed all kinds of stuff about ongoing CIA operations and operatives - yet MoveOn.org and others didn't care to go after those folks for "outing" CIA ops.

Hugh's counterpart RadioBlogger has text transcript up now from an MSNBC appearance between Hugh & Wonkette today:

HH: No, no. It's not a leak. That's not the way it's done. When you talk to reporters in Washington, D.C., you have to leave it up to them to make the story, so that they get credit for it. Cooper wants to get credit for exposing Joe Wilson as a fraud. He doesn't want Karl Rove to get credit for telling him. So you have to stay on double secret background, in order to protect your reporter's ability to present it as a scoop. It's a little bit of an inside baseball, manufacture the news stuff. The only people upset about this are in the White House press corps, because Karl doesn't talk to them. He doesn't talk to Terry Moran, he doesn't talk to David Gregory, and they're mad that Karl won't talk to the empty-headed television people, but he will talk to serious reporters like Cooper

From what's been discussed on other threads - pointing out that Cooper is a scumbag liar who's married to the Clintonista hack spinmeister Mandy "Moustache" Grunwald, Hugh should disavow the 'serious reporter' comment ;)

26 posted on 07/12/2005 4:34:25 PM PDT by Steven W.
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Just an innocent question, but if these people are engaging in a massive fraud, why haven't they been indicted? (I can hope can't I?)


27 posted on 07/12/2005 4:34:44 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: terilyn

that's a good point linking Miller & Plame re Miller's WMD book


28 posted on 07/12/2005 4:35:19 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Enterprise

I don't know that there's a fraud per se ... but an NYT subscriber might sue ;)


29 posted on 07/12/2005 4:36:07 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

It would be interesting if it was Miller who told Scooter Libby about Plame. Libby said that he heard it from a journalist. Then Miller would have been her own source.


30 posted on 07/12/2005 4:38:06 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: Steven W.

I thought I heard Hewitt say yesterday that he wasn't going to devote any time to this "silly story".


31 posted on 07/12/2005 4:39:16 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: terilyn

Miller is the leaker. She called Rove and asked his opinion about Plame recommending Wilson and then told him about Plame working for the CIA. Rove then passed this info on when asked by Cooper ie "Wilson's wife who "apparently works for the CIA".
That's my theory.


32 posted on 07/12/2005 4:39:27 PM PDT by jimboster (Vitajex, whatcha doin' to me)
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To: jimboster

I agree.

And as far as leaking her name, it was on Wilson's own bio. Nobody had to leak her name. He did it for them in black and white.


33 posted on 07/12/2005 4:41:56 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Steven W.
I'll go for a real stretch here then. Various news media personnel have used the internet to communicate this story. If in fact, lies and distortions have been made, and information has been obtained via the internet, then they have committed "wire fraud." And THAT is federally prosecutable. HA HA!
34 posted on 07/12/2005 4:43:36 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: cripplecreek
There was no reason for her to go to jail to protect a "source" who doesn't want protection.

You've made the assumption that Rove was her source. IF it was not Rove, the source may very well WANT her to protect.

35 posted on 07/12/2005 4:45:39 PM PDT by golfboy (character is doing what is right, when no one is looking)
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To: terilyn
I say Miller's the leaker and the NYT knows it.

Miller can't be the leaker because she doesn't work for the government. She received the leak.

But based on the rest of your post, I conclude that you believe that Plame outed herself. Going on the facts I know now, I cannot refute your conclusion.

36 posted on 07/12/2005 4:53:49 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: terilyn

It fits. In the past, Rove has asserted he discussed Plame with reporters only after she was outed. Either he was lying or, once he talked to Miller, he considered Plame outed.


37 posted on 07/12/2005 4:55:07 PM PDT by jimboster (Vitajex, whatcha doin' to me)
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To: terilyn; Steven W.; jimboster; hole_n_one; kcvl; SolidSupplySide; eureka!; pookie18; ...

One of the things I have wondered about during this latest brouhaha is the supposed "naming" of Wilson's wife. Rove talked about Wilson's wife, who worked at the Agency. Now most of us, if someone mentioned Wilson's wife, would be thinking of a Mrs. Wilson, or Valerie Wilson. You know, a "normal" marriage. We wouldn't be thinking in terms of Valerie Plame. So, unless you absolutely knew that Mrs. Wilson, was not "Mrs. Wilson", but Valerie Plame, the wife of Joe Wilson, you could not possibly "out" her! You would have to know for certain that Joe Wilson was married to Valerie Plame. I flatly ridicule the MSM reporters who assume that Karl Rove knew that much in detail about them. They weren't important enough.


38 posted on 07/12/2005 5:00:23 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: terilyn

i read that Wilson was tight with Kristof at NY Times along with Pincus at WaPo. Miller could have connected with Wilson/Plame through Kristof too. i believe upon hearing that Wilson's wife was instrumental in sending him to Niger for the CIA Miller could easily have put two and two together and inserted the name because of her own personal knowledge.


39 posted on 07/12/2005 5:03:46 PM PDT by avital2
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To: Enterprise
I flatly ridicule the MSM reporters who assume that Karl Rove knew that much in detail about them. They weren't important enough.

Exactly! The ignorant OLD MEDIA caught in another lie about a made up story. The "super secret spy" was attending a Clinton state dinner in 1999 with her ambassador husband. There is a photo of it.

40 posted on 07/12/2005 5:09:26 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Enterprise

The "super secret spy" and her ambassador husband attending a Clinton state dinner in 1999.

41 posted on 07/12/2005 5:10:43 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: avital2

Apparantly, (from what others have posted here), Scooter Libby testified that he was informed of Plame's CIA connections by a "journalist".

So did Miller tell Libby? Libby then told Rove?

I think that's a real possibility.


42 posted on 07/12/2005 5:11:50 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Steven W.

If it were a republican, Judith would have spilled her guts.

Check out post 88 on this thread. good picture of wilson, wife and Slick.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1441468/posts?page=74#74


43 posted on 07/12/2005 5:12:26 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

2 post 2 late.


44 posted on 07/12/2005 5:13:05 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

2 post 2 late.


45 posted on 07/12/2005 5:13:09 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: kcvl

She's the one with grey hair and the big red nose. Man!! She IS good.


46 posted on 07/12/2005 5:17:03 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SolidSupplySide
My understanding is that there is no "there there" because no crime was committed. But what is Fitzgerald doing, then? This thread is severely lacking.

Actually the thread if packed with info, if you'll click on the links in post #2. York brings up in one of those articles that after learning that the Feds were about to raid the Holyland Foundation, Miller called them up asking for comment, which tipped them off to the raid and set off a spree of shredding documents. There is a whole lot more to this than just what Rove talked about to Cooper.

47 posted on 07/12/2005 5:17:11 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: kcvl

"Hi Mr. President. I"m Valerie Plame, and I'm a super secret covert spy for the CIA. Is there anything I can, uh, "spy on" for you?"


48 posted on 07/12/2005 5:18:50 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: SolidSupplySide

I think Miller had sources in the CIA for her WMD beat. So, is it possible that Plame is Miller's source?


49 posted on 07/12/2005 5:24:30 PM PDT by hansel
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To: terilyn

I didn't read your post before I posted.

Great minds think alike :)


50 posted on 07/12/2005 5:26:18 PM PDT by hansel
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