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Karl Rove, Whistleblower
Wall Street Journal ^ | 7/13/05 | Editorial board

Posted on 07/12/2005 9:31:25 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

Karl Rove, Whistleblower

He told the truth about Joe Wilson.

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

Democrats and most of the Beltway press corps are baying for Karl Rove's head over his role in exposing a case of CIA nepotism involving Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame. On the contrary, we'd say the White House political guru deserves a prize--perhaps the next iteration of the "Truth-Telling" award that The Nation magazine bestowed upon Mr. Wilson before the Senate Intelligence Committee exposed him as a fraud.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: plame; rove; wilson
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-snip- In short, Joe Wilson hadn't told the truth about what he'd discovered in Africa, how he'd discovered it, what he'd told the CIA about it, or even why he was sent on the mission. The media and the Kerry campaign promptly abandoned him, though the former never did give as much prominence to his debunking as they did to his original accusations. But if anyone can remember another public figure so entirely and thoroughly discredited, let us know.

Har har.

1 posted on 07/12/2005 9:31:25 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Outstanding! Thanks for posting this -- I am sitting here chuckling after reading the article.


2 posted on 07/12/2005 9:34:19 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
The dems and the media are desperate for something (anything) to discredit the Bush administration. They're really pushing the envelope here. I think even the average American sees through this idiotic witch hunt. At least let's hope so.
3 posted on 07/12/2005 9:35:27 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I'm so glad someone finally said this. Remember when TIME called three whistleblowers the people of the year?

Rove "outted" a conspiracy by a political enemy of the president to discredit intel on the eve of war.

Imagine the reaction to a pre-Pearl Harbor Julius and Ethel Rosenberg-type couple working for the state department, claiming the Russians weren't trying to come up with a nuclear bomb---oh, um, bad example. ;)

Imagine the reaction to a pre-Pearl Harbor Plame and Wilson-type couple of Republicans working for the defense department, claiming the Nazis weren't planning on attacking their European neighbors. Would the NYT be attacking the FDR Administration, or the couple?

4 posted on 07/12/2005 9:35:52 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: Minuteman23

I doubt the "average" American is paying attention.....it's summertime....and the livin's good.......only us political junkies know anything about all this....IMHO.


5 posted on 07/12/2005 9:36:43 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: goodnesswins

Thanks for the slap back into reality. No joke. I may have been being uncharacteristically optimistic. :-(


6 posted on 07/12/2005 9:38:12 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The dems are yelling to loud to hear this....but will they say they are sorry when this whole thing comes out in the open....wouldn't hold my breath.


7 posted on 07/12/2005 9:43:17 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
All this tells me is that ROVE did violate the law, didn't follow procedures and there is a "cover up" underway. Guess I'll be branded a lurker or what ever, but I am an arch Conservative and there isn't one law for some and another law for the politically connected. JMO
8 posted on 07/12/2005 9:43:46 PM PDT by A.B.Normal (Craziness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, ask a Liberal.)
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To: Dr.Hilarious
I'm so glad someone finally said this. Remember when TIME called three whistleblowers the people of the year?

Remember when left wing extremists exposed REAL covert, undercover CIA agents, and those agents were killed? The demoncrats celebrated the exposer (Ellsberg, et al) as heroes, as the dead agents as deservedly dead?

9 posted on 07/12/2005 9:44:18 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: A.B.Normal

Does being an arch conservative mean you didn't read the article? Just askin'.


10 posted on 07/12/2005 9:45:54 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (As long as Dean's the head of the D-N-C, it just looks better for the G-O-P!!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
When Miller found out that Fitzgerald was on the verge of indicting Holy Land, she called the Foundation for comment -- and right after her call Fitzgerald believes the Foundation may have commenced a shredding party that ensured prosecutors would find little paperwork to go on when they raided the Holy Land offices.

This, btw, is someone Thomas Oliphant of the Boston Globe called "a good person" on Softball.

11 posted on 07/12/2005 9:46:09 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: A.B.Normal

You are the first person I have ever seen that has the same blood type as me!


12 posted on 07/12/2005 9:46:27 PM PDT by Syncro (Recant, rescind, retract and repudiate....Got Truth?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

" Mr. Rove provided important background so Americans could understand that Mr. Wilson wasn't a whistleblower but was a partisan trying to discredit the Iraq War in an election campaign.
Thank you, Mr. Rove."

" Media chants aside, there's no evidence that Mr. Rove broke any laws "

The money quote :
" The same bipartisan report ( Senate Intelligence Committee ) also pointed out that the forged documents Mr. Wilson claimed to have discredited
hadn't even entered intelligence channels until eight months after his trip."

David Gregory and Terry Moran- Put down the Midol and chocolate and read this.


13 posted on 07/12/2005 9:46:30 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Auntie Dem

It's nice to see the Dems finally getting onboard with the war on terror, huh? /s.o.


14 posted on 07/12/2005 9:47:29 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: A.B.Normal
All this tells me is that ROVE did violate the law, didn't follow procedures and there is a "cover up" underway.

You better pull your head out of where you've placed it.

If what you read tells you Rove broke the law, you're not an "arch" conservative--you're a liberal.

15 posted on 07/12/2005 9:48:03 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
perhaps the next iteration of the "Truth-Telling" award that The Nation magazine bestowed upon Mr. Wilson before the Senate Intelligence Committee exposed him as a fraud.

Did they take it back?

16 posted on 07/12/2005 9:48:30 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
If anyone can remember another public figure so entirely and thoroughly discredited, let us know

Yes!

17 posted on 07/12/2005 9:49:46 PM PDT by montag813
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To: A.B.Normal
All this tells me is that ROVE did violate the law. . .

I don't follow. The editorial lists the criteria for prosecution under the law and presents a good argument that none of the criteria were met in this case.

18 posted on 07/12/2005 9:49:49 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Echo Talon
Did they take it back?

No. Wilson is still a fraud. :)

20 posted on 07/12/2005 9:50:47 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Parents aren't interested in justice. They just want quiet." - Bill Cosby)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

hehe


21 posted on 07/12/2005 9:51:05 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Onky a Grand Jury will know. Trial in the papers is usualy comments from one side or the other trying to win publlic opinion. Yes, ROVE has been a target, but I want an impartial jury to indict or nulle prosequi.


22 posted on 07/12/2005 9:54:54 PM PDT by A.B.Normal (Craziness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, ask a Liberal.)
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To: A.B.Normal

K - take this bit of info back to DU: At the time of her "outing," Plame hadn't been a confidential agent in NINE YEARS. She was just another analyst hanging out at Headquarters.

She also was mentioned on Joe Wilson's website and in his "Who's Who" entry, and was well-known on the cocktail party circuit.

Not exactly Ms. Mysterious.


23 posted on 07/12/2005 9:56:46 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: A.B.Normal
Guess I'll be branded a lurker or what ever, but I am an arch Conservative and there isn't one law for some and another law for the politically connected.

No, you'll be branded as misinformed.

I'll state it as simply as I can: No...law...was...broken. Not by Karl Rove, at any rate.

24 posted on 07/12/2005 9:57:04 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Echo Talon
Did they take it back?

Not only did they not take it back, I hear they're going to give him a "Double Super-Duper Truth Telling" award with one of those REALLY BIG winged angel types on top.

25 posted on 07/12/2005 9:58:25 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: okie01

T I M E W I L L T E L L


26 posted on 07/12/2005 9:58:34 PM PDT by A.B.Normal (Craziness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, ask a Liberal.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Apparently, Valerie Plame was one of the operatives "outed" by Aldridge Ames to the Russians in the early nineties. That's why she was pulled from the field. Both to protect her, and because her cover was blown. That's why she was given the desk job at Langley, because she was no longer useful in the field.

How do you "out" somebody *twice*?


27 posted on 07/12/2005 10:00:47 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: All

Read without registering -use - annoyed@annoyed.com


28 posted on 07/12/2005 10:02:18 PM PDT by pbear8 (Navigatrix, Tomas Torquemada Gentleman's Club - Ladies Auxiliary)
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To: Auntie Dem

A retraction would be nice... guess it's to much to ask... It's only truth. :D


29 posted on 07/12/2005 10:02:45 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: PhiKapMom

Can you read this whole article? I'm not registered there!

Can somebody Freepmail it to me?


30 posted on 07/12/2005 10:02:48 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: A.B.Normal
Onky a Grand Jury will know.

What has to happen for a grand jury to get the case? I would guess the prosecutor has to present evidence that a crime has been committed and points to a likely perp. It appears this prosecutor is aggressively pursuing the case, so if he comes up empty it should convince all but the Bush haters that Rove is clean.

31 posted on 07/12/2005 10:03:59 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Howlin

I believe you have mail!


32 posted on 07/12/2005 10:05:45 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (As long as Dean's the head of the D-N-C, it just looks better for the G-O-P!!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
What has to happen for a grand jury to get the case?

A grand jury already has the case.

Rove has testified on three separate occasions.

But nary a word has been leaked about any of the testimony, from anybody.

The grand jury expires in October, so any indictments or other action will take place before then.

33 posted on 07/12/2005 10:06:58 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: A.B.Normal
Guess I'll be branded a lurker or what ever

What you will be branded is somebody who is ignorant of the FACTS in this case.

What law did he break?

34 posted on 07/12/2005 10:07:07 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: pbear8

I'm starting to believe that all the hysteria we are seeing from the Communist DemocRATS and their toadies in the "media" is a result of their frustration over Wilson, his NYT op-ed and his phony novel turning out to be nothing but a pack of Commie lies that flopped bigtime. They are trying to salvage something out of their Commie fiasco. I still would like to know WHO paid for Joey Wilson's Yellow Cake Junket to Niger. It appears that he was "on assignment" for the New York Times. I hope it wasn't the U.S. taxpayers who picked up the tab. I have already inquired to both my Senators to provide me with this information.


35 posted on 07/12/2005 10:07:48 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

:-)


36 posted on 07/12/2005 10:09:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin

Use this, you can read anything that needs a subscription.

http://bugmenot.com/



Off topic..I'm in the middle of One for the Money..it's great so far. Thanks for the tip!


37 posted on 07/12/2005 10:09:36 PM PDT by hipaatwo (When you're in trouble you want all your friends around you...preferably armed!)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Even the Washington Post agrees with you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.

Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.

Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.

The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.


38 posted on 07/12/2005 10:10:25 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Auntie Dem

Some people on this site belong to that other one.


39 posted on 07/12/2005 10:10:37 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: Ramius
How do you "out" somebody *twice*?

There is always another generation of enemy agents coming up. So our guys have to be outed at least once every 10 years or so to ensure everyone is up to speed.

40 posted on 07/12/2005 10:10:50 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: A.B.Normal
T I M E W I L L T E L L

Why don't you tell us what law he broke instead of avoiding the questions?

41 posted on 07/12/2005 10:13:22 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
His Niger junket, wherein he sipped sweet tea and chatted with a few folks, was indeed paid for by us. He and his wife have broken the anti-nepotism laws (according to the Senate report) and deserve to be prosecuted.

The interesting story in all of this is that of Judith Miller. Just who is she protecting (herself or others) and what is she afraid of? Perhaps the Spec Pro because she screwed up an important anti-terror that he was running.

Stay tuned...

42 posted on 07/12/2005 10:13:50 PM PDT by pbear8 (Navigatrix, Tomas Torquemada Gentleman's Club - Ladies Auxiliary)
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To: hipaatwo

Oh, you're gonna be hooked and out looking for the next ones!


43 posted on 07/12/2005 10:15:10 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Theresawithanh

Thanks. If I can return the favor anytime, let me know. That's about the only one I don't have.


44 posted on 07/12/2005 10:15:41 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: A.B.Normal
No, you're a TROLL and a rather STUPID one, at that.

Rove broke no law. He didn't "out" Plame. She had already been OUTTED, by A damned double agent spy, a decade+ ago and hasn't been a covert operative in more than ten years. The law, that Rove is supposed to have broken, is aboutCOVESRT OPERATIVES IN THE FIELD AND THOSE WHO WERE ONE, FIVE YEARS AGO. Neither of these qualifications haves been met by Plame and besides, Rove didn't names her.

There is NO "cover-up" at all, Rove violate NO law, followed procedure TO THE LETTER, and your Conservative credentials, as well as your knowledge, are GREATLY in question!

45 posted on 07/12/2005 10:16:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Ramius

===How do you "out" somebody *twice*? ===

For that to be possible, They would have to have over 8 hits in the same inning.....


46 posted on 07/12/2005 10:17:04 PM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Anything happen to Kerry when he outed the CIA agent in the Senate hearing??? Oh yeah, he's a Commie too... never mind.

Pray for W and Our Troops

47 posted on 07/12/2005 10:17:15 PM PDT by bray (Did you buy a Soldier Lunch Today??)
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To: A.B.Normal

Time has ALREADY told and you lost.


48 posted on 07/12/2005 10:18:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin

You have freep mail with the article! :)


49 posted on 07/12/2005 10:19:45 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: pbear8

I will (stay tuned). I just wonder why the "media" isn't interested in the real criminals in this case. Haven't heard anything about the nepotism at the CIA and the U.S. taxpayer financed junket by Little Joey Wilson to "research" his NYT Bush-bashing op-ed and his novel. I think Little Joey owes the taxpayers some money.


50 posted on 07/12/2005 10:19:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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