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UK: Far right and football gangs plot 'revenge'
Guardian ^ | 07/15/05 | Hugh Muir

Posted on 07/14/2005 5:42:58 PM PDT by Pikamax

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To: pankot
Agreed. The age of the vigilante may be around the corner. Take it from an ex-cop fed up with the courts.

The arrogance of the (largely self anointed, self-appointed) elites has indeed led to this. It is a facet of human nature, that when people are deprived of justice, then in time, they will make their own. It is usually a very brutal type of justice, though, with its impetus not only being the fact of the original perceived injustice being righted, but the fact that they were required to take such an extreme step adding more fuel to the fire.

This is a basic of human nature, and you can no more change that, than you could change the timing of the tides, or the direction of sunrise or sunset. Those who force such a reaction have absolutely no idea of the terrible forces they unwittingly invoke in their arrogance, until the storm breaks with lethal finality upon their heads...

the infowarrior

221 posted on 07/15/2005 3:57:23 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: infowarrior
That was exceedingly well put.

I only wish Western people would realize there are only two ways to address this threat to our way of life.

Either we treat it as a law enforcement issue, in which case they better cough up enough cops with enough firepower and enough discretionary authority to adequately police our society and interdict those who would make our way of life unworkable, or we treat it as a military matter, in which case they need to STFU about "the innocent," because there is always going to be a cleaning lady in the building that gets bombed.

The fact that military action needs to be taken, by definition, means preserving her life is a secondary consideration to destroying the objective. Fixating on the injustice done to her only serves to soil the goal deemed important enough to require military action in the first place.

Mixing the concepts of law enforcement and war is as asinine as mixing gasoline and water. One mixed with the other makes the mixture fit to use for neither.

222 posted on 07/15/2005 4:48:38 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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To: commonasdirt

"think hard about what you are advocating."

Yes indeed, God forbid the Brits do something to avoid another bomb attack...God forbid they do anything but sit around and wait to be slaughtered like sheep.


223 posted on 07/15/2005 4:53:52 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: commonasdirt

"I take it you are saying you have no problem supporting attacks on anyone whose skin tone differs from yours?"

Who is CURRENTLY blowing up dozens (or thousands) of people whose skin tone is different from theirs, all over the world?

Oh yeah. Muslims.


224 posted on 07/15/2005 4:56:18 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: Pete98

We couldn't possibly discuss any form of discrimination against them on the basis of culture/religion/cultism, though. [/sarcasm]


225 posted on 07/15/2005 5:00:22 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: Pete98

""I take it you are saying you have no problem supporting attacks on anyone whose skin tone differs from yours?"

Who is CURRENTLY blowing up dozens (or thousands) of people whose skin tone is different from theirs, all over the world?

Oh yeah. Muslims."

Funny you should say that since bombing innocents is also a favoured tactic of Combat 18.


226 posted on 07/15/2005 5:03:23 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: papertyger
That was exceedingly well put.

My thanks. Part of that was addressed to another matter, which was highlighted by the poster I was replying to, on the current state of our "legal" system, but the same applies either way...

the infowarrior

227 posted on 07/15/2005 5:09:37 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: softwarecreator

Should have said another attack like 911. It's hard to be explicit enough with the written word.


228 posted on 07/15/2005 5:10:30 AM PDT by refermech
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To: commonasdirt

"Hey, alright, kill whomever you like. And then tell it to a judge and jury. Face facts. You may be angry, you may be venting. But you are not about to do it."

If no one is about to "do it," then what are you pissing and moaning about? Don't you feel silly for accusing us of an atrocity that you know will never happen?

Which of your statements was the lie?


229 posted on 07/15/2005 5:11:09 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: Pikamax
Football hooligans communicating over the internet have spoken of the need to put aside partisan support for teams and unite against Muslims. Hooligans from West Ham, Millwall, Crystal Palace and Arsenal are among those seeking to establish common cause.

I never knew soccer hooligans were this organized. I just thought they were drunks who went nuts after and during games.

Imagine Crazy Ray (Dallas Cowboys) the Redskin Indian black guy, the Jets fireman guy and the Broncos Barrel man calling for fans to put aside their partisan hatred for each other to unite against Muslims. Wow!

230 posted on 07/15/2005 5:13:23 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Dave Elias
Funny you should say that since bombing innocents is also a favoured tactic of Combat 18.

When there's over a billion Combat 18, they start cutting off heads, and flying planes into our buildings, we'll worry about them too.

231 posted on 07/15/2005 5:14:03 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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To: Analog Artist

"I think mob violence from certain elements will only lead to pitched battles being fought on the street. Will cause a lot of bloodshed on both sides."

That is much better than a "war" where one side launches attack after attack while the other side sit quietly and allow themselves to be slaughtered without fighting back.

Maybe if Westerners start fighting back, the muslims will start leaving us alone.


232 posted on 07/15/2005 5:15:37 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: papertyger

It's all about priorities.


233 posted on 07/15/2005 5:16:47 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: papertyger

No we should worry about them now since this group that you obvious so clearly adore are nothing bunch of neo-nazi filth no better than the Islamic whack-jobs.

While we are at it were you equally indignant with respect to the general Catholic culpability in IRA attrocities?


234 posted on 07/15/2005 5:24:54 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: Dave Elias

You know that lame attempt at moral equivocation between the Catholic IRA and immigrant Islam is starting to sound hackneyed. You might want to dig a little more deeply next time.


235 posted on 07/15/2005 5:27:30 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson

So the IRA were involved in a noble struggle were they. You have no idea do you.


236 posted on 07/15/2005 5:31:49 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: Dave Elias

I did not say that. I did ask you to dig deeper.


237 posted on 07/15/2005 5:33:13 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson

How very profound you scoper


238 posted on 07/15/2005 5:34:54 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: Dave Elias

So now you want to trade insults? Sorry, I'm only here to discuss politics.


239 posted on 07/15/2005 5:41:01 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: All

"Looks like Michael Savage is right, it would take the soccer hooligans to save the UK."

Maybe the IRA should be called in as well....They know how to play this game...


240 posted on 07/15/2005 5:50:25 AM PDT by wreckedangle
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