Posted on 07/14/2005 5:42:58 PM PDT by Pikamax
Far right and football gangs plot 'revenge'
Police monitor anti-Muslim websites Hugh Muir Friday July 15, 2005
Guardian Plans by an alliance of rightwing extremists and football hooligans to exact "revenge" on Muslims after last week's bomb attacks are being monitored by police.
The Guardian has learned that extremists are keen to cause widespread fear and injury with attacks on mosques and high-profile "anti-Muslim" events in the capital.
Football hooligans communicating over the internet have spoken of the need to put aside partisan support for teams and unite against Muslims. Hooligans from West Ham, Millwall, Crystal Palace and Arsenal are among those seeking to establish common cause.
As part of wider plans to generate a backlash, rightwing groups such as the Nationalist Alliance and the National Front are said to be planning marches. Extremists hope to hold a march along Victoria Embankment in London tomorrow.
It is also known that many mosques have received bomb threats since the attacks.
Attempts by the right to make capital out of the tragedy have created a powderkeg. Already extremist Islamist websites have told Muslims to be ready to retaliate.
The BNP has sought to capitalise on the atrocities by reproducing a picture of the bombed No 30 bus with the headline "Maybe Now It's Time To Listen To The BNP" in its byelection literature in Barking, Essex.
The tactic prompted cross-party condemnation. Though it was designed to increase support for the far-right, many believe the message may have been too crass and too badly timed to work. The party does, however, enjoy some support in the area.
Gerry Gable, of the anti-fascist organisation Searchlight, said: "There is no doubt that the far-right are playing this for all they think it is worth. If you look at the BNP website there's Nick Griffin saying 'be calm' and other material saying 'don't get angry, get even!'"
He added: "These things should be taken seriously. One site, Blood and Honour, had a posting about a mosque in the Wirral and soon after the mosque was hit. Soon after, the posting was taken down."
The police have pledged to crack down on any attempts to provoke division in the aftermath of the bombs. Members of Scotland Yard's independent advisory group have been asked to liaise with borough commanders in the capital to reassure the public and make sure the police carry out their pledges. The Met has said from the outset that the bombs were an attack on all communities and that none should be scapegoated.
The synergy between rightwing extremists and football hooligans is not new. Throughout the 1980s, some of the biggest clubs in Britain were plagued by notoriously violent and racist followers.
Though virtually all clubs have since challenged the behaviour of extremist fans, and almost all now belong to the Kick Racism Out of Football initiative, violent followers continue to communicate with each other and supporters from other clubs to engineer confrontations.
The prospect of the opening day Championship fixture between Leeds and Millwall in August is already causing concern.
The arrogance of the (largely self anointed, self-appointed) elites has indeed led to this. It is a facet of human nature, that when people are deprived of justice, then in time, they will make their own. It is usually a very brutal type of justice, though, with its impetus not only being the fact of the original perceived injustice being righted, but the fact that they were required to take such an extreme step adding more fuel to the fire.
This is a basic of human nature, and you can no more change that, than you could change the timing of the tides, or the direction of sunrise or sunset. Those who force such a reaction have absolutely no idea of the terrible forces they unwittingly invoke in their arrogance, until the storm breaks with lethal finality upon their heads...
the infowarrior
I only wish Western people would realize there are only two ways to address this threat to our way of life.
Either we treat it as a law enforcement issue, in which case they better cough up enough cops with enough firepower and enough discretionary authority to adequately police our society and interdict those who would make our way of life unworkable, or we treat it as a military matter, in which case they need to STFU about "the innocent," because there is always going to be a cleaning lady in the building that gets bombed.
The fact that military action needs to be taken, by definition, means preserving her life is a secondary consideration to destroying the objective. Fixating on the injustice done to her only serves to soil the goal deemed important enough to require military action in the first place.
Mixing the concepts of law enforcement and war is as asinine as mixing gasoline and water. One mixed with the other makes the mixture fit to use for neither.
"think hard about what you are advocating."
Yes indeed, God forbid the Brits do something to avoid another bomb attack...God forbid they do anything but sit around and wait to be slaughtered like sheep.
"I take it you are saying you have no problem supporting attacks on anyone whose skin tone differs from yours?"
Who is CURRENTLY blowing up dozens (or thousands) of people whose skin tone is different from theirs, all over the world?
Oh yeah. Muslims.
We couldn't possibly discuss any form of discrimination against them on the basis of culture/religion/cultism, though. [/sarcasm]
""I take it you are saying you have no problem supporting attacks on anyone whose skin tone differs from yours?"
Who is CURRENTLY blowing up dozens (or thousands) of people whose skin tone is different from theirs, all over the world?
Oh yeah. Muslims."
Funny you should say that since bombing innocents is also a favoured tactic of Combat 18.
My thanks. Part of that was addressed to another matter, which was highlighted by the poster I was replying to, on the current state of our "legal" system, but the same applies either way...
the infowarrior
Should have said another attack like 911. It's hard to be explicit enough with the written word.
"Hey, alright, kill whomever you like. And then tell it to a judge and jury. Face facts. You may be angry, you may be venting. But you are not about to do it."
If no one is about to "do it," then what are you pissing and moaning about? Don't you feel silly for accusing us of an atrocity that you know will never happen?
Which of your statements was the lie?
I never knew soccer hooligans were this organized. I just thought they were drunks who went nuts after and during games.
Imagine Crazy Ray (Dallas Cowboys) the Redskin Indian black guy, the Jets fireman guy and the Broncos Barrel man calling for fans to put aside their partisan hatred for each other to unite against Muslims. Wow!
When there's over a billion Combat 18, they start cutting off heads, and flying planes into our buildings, we'll worry about them too.
"I think mob violence from certain elements will only lead to pitched battles being fought on the street. Will cause a lot of bloodshed on both sides."
That is much better than a "war" where one side launches attack after attack while the other side sit quietly and allow themselves to be slaughtered without fighting back.
Maybe if Westerners start fighting back, the muslims will start leaving us alone.
It's all about priorities.
No we should worry about them now since this group that you obvious so clearly adore are nothing bunch of neo-nazi filth no better than the Islamic whack-jobs.
While we are at it were you equally indignant with respect to the general Catholic culpability in IRA attrocities?
You know that lame attempt at moral equivocation between the Catholic IRA and immigrant Islam is starting to sound hackneyed. You might want to dig a little more deeply next time.
So the IRA were involved in a noble struggle were they. You have no idea do you.
I did not say that. I did ask you to dig deeper.
How very profound you scoper
So now you want to trade insults? Sorry, I'm only here to discuss politics.
"Looks like Michael Savage is right, it would take the soccer hooligans to save the UK."
Maybe the IRA should be called in as well....They know how to play this game...
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