Former DOJ officials claim OKC Bombing coverup began in D.C.

McCurtain Daily Gazette ^ | 7/15/05 | J.D. Cash and Roger Charles

[FormerLib]

I wonder if they'll ask President Clinton why his administration didn't pursue this properly?

[Sacajaweau]

Did someone get angry enough to rat out Gorelick??

[Peach]

Ping re OKC.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Interesting tale ping.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

bump

[doug from upland]

No word of Iraqis. That is the real story.

[dd5339]

OKC ping!

Semper Fi

[radar101]

http://www.sydweedon.com/Resources/OKC.htm < > The OKC Bombing Was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building the work of a larger conspiracy of terrorists? There are three basic threads of conspiracy theory in the speculation about the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. I have given them place names for shorthand based on the locus of their explanations: The Waco Theory – This is the government’s position. One lone wacko, Timothy McVeigh, acting in concert with a second lone wacko, Terry Nichols, with erstwhile emotional/logistical support from lone wacko Michael Fortier, blew up the Murrah Building with a truck bomb made with ammonia nitrate and fuel oil. They did this to avenge the attack on the Branch Davidian compound at Mt. Carmel near Waco, Texas. The Elohim City Theory – This thread connects McVeigh to the white separatist compound at Elohim City in eastern Oklahoma and a mysterious German illegal alien by the name of Andreas Strassmeir to whom McVeigh placed telephone calls shortly before the bombing of the Murrah building. This thread is supported by the activities and testimony of an ATF confidential informant by the name of Carol Howe and the research of investigative journalist David Hoffman. There are two sub-threads to this theory: 1. The OKC bombing was a botched “sting” operation by the ATF that went terribly wrong and was subsequently covered up. Motivations for this scenario are complex but intriguing. If the ATF was able to swoop in at the last moment, defuse the bomb (or appear to defuse a bomb already made safe by the undercover operative) the public relations impact would be enormous. The ATF would be seen as saving America from dangerous domestic terrorists; the patriot/militia movement could be discredited; and John Doe #2, who was thought to be an informant, could be allowed to escape and penetrate more deeply into the terrorist organization with enhanced credibility since he would be viewed as a "hero," while McVeigh would take the fall. 2. The OKC bombing was a successful attack by neo-Nazis and/or rogue operatives of U.S. intelligence and federal law enforcement but was covered up because ATF informants and other government intelligence assets were involved. Revenge for the execution of Richard Wayne Snell, a “Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord” member convicted of killing an Arkansas state trooper and a pawn shop owner figures into the motive in this scenario. Snell was executed on the same day as the OKC bombing, April 19, 1995. Richard Millar, patriarch of Elohim City was with Snell at the prison and watched news reports of the bombing on television prior to Snell's execution. Millar then brought Snell's body back to Elohim City for burial there. It is known that Snell had planned just such an attack and cased the Murrah Building ten years earlier. The Manila Theory – This thread is the Islamic terrorist thread which is based upon reported contacts between Terry Nichols and Abu Sayef terrorists in the Philippines who put him in touch with Ramzi Youssef, the Al Qaeda operative who planned the 1993 WTC bombing, and Iraqi intelligence assets. This theory is strengthened by numerous reports of Islamic terrorist cells operating in Oklahoma following the settlement in that area of some 5,000 Iraqi refugees following the Gulf War. Of the three theories, the thread I have named "The Waco Theory" is the weakest. There is simply too much conflicting testimony and loose ends to believe that this attack was limited to the dynamic duo of McVeigh and Nichols. In terms of connections, conflicting and suppressed testimony, and eye witness accounts of strange things that went on around the Murrah building on the morning of the explosion, "The Elohim City Theory" is perhaps the strongest. "The Manila Theory" largely depends on the deathbed confession of a Philippine intelligence operative who places Nichols and Youssef together, but in this post 9-11 world, the Iraqi-Al Qaeda connection is receiving renewed interest and scrutiny. A lawsuit filed recently against the government of Iraq has served to substantially bolster this thread. The Manila thread is also supported by some interesting circumstantial evidence based in the movements of Nichols and Youssef in the Philippines. The Manila and Elohim theories are not mutually exclusive. There is a bit a bleed-through between the two. Some witnesses reported that one of the John Doe's seen speeding away from the scene of the crime in a brown Chevy pickup was a "dark skinned male" with the implication being a middle eastern rather than African complexion. Some of the suppressed statements from federal officials indicate that there was some warning or premonition that a terror attack was about to occur and the warnings come from both the Elohim connection and Islamic terrorist concerns. The explosion analysis evidence from Gen. Partin can be seen as supporting either thread, but to my eye tends to support the Elohim scenario a bit better, since it is hard to see how middle eastern terrorists would be able to get into the Murrah building and set cutter charges. There is an ideological point of connection between neo-Nazi's and radical Islamic terrorists. They both share a lethal hatred of Jews. There appears to be long-standing relationships which existed between Iraqi intelligence operatives and some of the players in the Elohim City orbit. Kelley O'Meara reports: Dennis Mahon is long suspected of being a player in the conspiracy to bomb the Murrah building. Mahon is described in Jones' book as "a virulent racist and avowed enemy of the U.S. government" and is a high-ranking member of the White Aryan Resistance (WAR) movement. The defense team reports that its investigation shows "the Iraqi government has given Dennis Mahon thousands of dollars over the past six years, and Mahon has been banned from entering Canada and the United Kingdom and is classified by Interpol as an international terrorist." The FBI did not bother to interview Mahon in connection to the Oklahoma City bombing. -- from Iraq Connections to U.S. Extremists< > I buy the last one The others let Clinton off the hook

[Peach]

Agreed. I meant to mention that. They are on the wrong tangent but at least looking closely at the investigation and how it was conducted (or not conducted).

[Dems_R_Losers]

I always thought so too, but this story is pretty plausible as well. Could have been that the FBI itself killed this investigation, not the White House. The WH may have had no idea about Elohim City - in fact, you have to think they didn't, because exposing it would have fed more into their spin that right-wing extremists were the biggest domestic terrorist threat. And Carol Howe never said anything about Iraqis being involved. Kinda hard to imagine a white supremacist like Strassmeir working with Iraqis.

[doug from upland]

HERE IS WHAT AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW

[WideGlide]

Did they also fail to check out McVeigh's ties to the IRA? No? Then how about the BSA (that radical green-uniformed group of extremist American teenagers)? Or how about FARC, ELN, AUC, PFLP, DFLP, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Ansar Al Islam, Tamil Tigers, Abu Nidal, Abu Sayyaf, or Abu BooBoo Bear. The disappearance of that picanic basket is very suspicious.

[brushcop]

"Right Wing connection" h**l! Try Middle Eastern. Nothing like looking at the OBVIOUS evidence and then looking 180 degrees the other way, seems to be a government disease, meanwhile endangering us all.

[drjimmy]

LOL! I actually thought you were serious for a second.

[Stellar Dendrite]

What did clinton know about OKC and when did he know it....

Was there an OKC commission?
What about a 91 WTC bombing commission?

[TXnMA]

Ever since early in my engineering work with OKBIC, I have been leery of J.D.Cash and his insistence on the NeoNazi/failed sting angle. No doubt, the Elohim City bunch needed (and still needs) to be watched closely, but much of JD's work appears to be diversionary. The guy is spooky -- he appears for a while, disappears, then pops up somewhere else.

One can't help but wonder who is pulling the strings of (or pulling the strings for) a non-entity reporter for a non-entity paper like the McCurtain (OK) Gazette -- and how such a "nobody from nowhere" can get into the places and do the things JD does. Very strange...

FWIW, It doesn't take very many clicks of the mouse following the likes of Kirk Lyons (for example) to find oneself in strange places, indeed...

BTW, Roger Charles was once an investigator for OKBIC -- but their parting of the ways occurred even before I came on the scene...

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This NeoNazi stuff is interesting, but, FWIW, my money is on Jayna as for where the real story lies.

Can you spell/smell "G-o-r-e-l-i-c-k"? ...

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

There is an ideological point of connection between neo-Nazi's and radical Islamic terrorists.

[TXnMA]

Info ping!

J.D. has crawled out of his hole again...

And this time, he's quoting the only "DOJ official" I called (in print) a flat-out liar...

[austinite]

John Doe #2

Remember him?