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The Episcopal Church Self-Destructs over Homosexuality
VirtueonLine ^ | 7/15/05 | Allan Dobras

Posted on 07/15/2005 8:04:10 AM PDT by Dane

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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Very good points, and thanks for the reminder about the Constitution Party running against Bush instead of Kerry. That really ticked me off too. That was pure political strategy, and not based on principle, at all.

But I dropped out of the Republican party when they increased Title X abortion funding to the tune of 288 million dollars through HR 4818. (Planned Parenthood is funded through this)

See my post # 51 for the link to that info.
See bill at:
http://thomas.loc.gov

Click on: "Search Bills and Resolutions"

Select: 108th Congress (2003-2004)

Enter Search: H.R.4818

Click on: "Search"

Click on: Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2005 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)[H.R.4818.ENR]

H.R.4818 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2005 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate) - Federal HHS Appropriations Bill (FY 2005)

[ To see roll call votes in US House and US Senate, click on:
Link to the "Bill Summary & Status" file. ]




For the record, I'm not currently a member of any political party. I've about given up on political parties, as they seem to always put the party before principal...I recall that George Washington, in his farewell speech; warned that this would happen.

Best regards.


121 posted on 07/16/2005 10:25:00 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Lazamataz
"Onry thing worse than ronery ... is danrey."


122 posted on 07/16/2005 10:36:07 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: humblegunner
"Onry thing worse than ronery ... is danrey."

Hardy har, har, there humble, wery, wery, wery, funny(comparing me to kim-il insane).

Sheesh you and your merry band of liberals all are a vapant lot, IMO.

123 posted on 07/16/2005 10:42:43 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
Hardy har, har, there humble, wery, wery, wery, funny(comparing me to kim-il insane).

Not at all.

Kim Il-Jung would NEVER stoop to blaming a female victim of a 'verbal rape', because she 'wore her skirt too short.'

It's an INSULT to Kim Il-Jung to compare you two.

124 posted on 07/16/2005 10:49:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Looks like the Supreme Court wants to play Cowboys and Homeowners.)
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To: Xenalyte; jmc813; humblegunner; Bacon Man; Hap; Allegra; Flyer; Lazamataz; Dane
Jeff, why don't you concentrate on something more important to your, IMO, vapant life, like playing cat and mouse bedding Xena.

Of course we know it isn't true, Xena, and it is a very small man who would publicly state such an accusation.

125 posted on 07/16/2005 10:56:10 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Three guys walked into a bar. The fourth one ducked.)
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To: Xenalyte; Dane
I saw the other ping last light, but didn't have time to get it all in context. Now I have.

Dane: " Uh my point is that you "defamed" yourself with your vapant innuendo with jmc"

Well. . . first of all, we are not supposed to drag stuff across threads. If you saw something on another thread, that is the place to address it.

Second. . . vapant innuendo with jmc813 - I wanted an example, so I looked over jmc's and Xena's posts back through May. Except for when you dragged Xenalyte onto this thread, I don't see any recent (2 1/2 months!) posts exchanged between them. Is something from way back eating at you?

Ok, Dr. Flyer's take on the big picture. Xenalyte is an intelligent and attractive woman. Some of us here carry on with her in a witty and sometimes risqué manner. I will assume Dane has never been able to be on that level with Xena and is jealous.

It is this jealously that has led Dane to call Xena a slut, and that is improper and downright nasty. Xena is right on target with her anger.

(Dr. Flyer - University of Google, 2005)

126 posted on 07/16/2005 11:07:42 AM PDT by Flyer (~ TexasBorderWatch.com ~)
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To: TSchmereL
There are several variants of the Anglican/Episcopal faith, the ECU being the one that is in flagrante, so to speak. I did an Internet search to discover some conservative and biblically honest churches, none of which, unfortunately, are represented in my area.
127 posted on 07/16/2005 11:15:56 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: Dane
Sheesh you and your merry band of liberals all are a vapant lot, IMO.

Yep, liberal.. that's me alright.
No fooling you, that's for sure.

Well, ta-ta now, I'm off to be tolerant of gays and make sandwiches down at the day-labor hall.

128 posted on 07/16/2005 11:17:19 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: FBD
Let's see...

Same sex civil unions = equal freedom between two consenting adults.

Abortion = murder

Unlimited immigration = tyranny of the welfare state and lose of local paying jobs

The status quo of the IRS = economic slavement and lose of privacy at the individual level

129 posted on 07/16/2005 11:51:08 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Hi Paul,

Please forgive me if this sounds dense, but I'm not following your post to me;
Are those your definitions, or what you perceive mine to be?

Regards
130 posted on 07/16/2005 12:30:29 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Dane
God cannot be understood as having created what His revealed Word defines as sinful.

Well there is this

(Romans 9:17-18) - "For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth." 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires."

Non of this mind you makes homosexuality any less sinful or the ordination of unapologetic sinners to lead your Church any less shameful..

131 posted on 07/16/2005 12:41:05 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: FBD
You stated: There are a significant number of Republicans who support:

I replied how some Republicans would equate these subjects.

132 posted on 07/16/2005 12:42:42 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Xenalyte; jmc813; Lazamataz; Dane
Xenalyte, we've all learned long ago, that you can't expect civil responses from Dane. Dane's posting privileges have been suspended numerous times for using these same tactics.

That type of behavior is indicative of a very limited intelligence, and/or a very insecure personality.
133 posted on 07/16/2005 12:57:23 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Fair enough, no argument there.
My definitions are somewhat differant.
But thanks for the clarification.

Regards


134 posted on 07/16/2005 12:59:39 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Flyer; Xenalyte
Ok, Dr. Flyer's take on the big picture. Xenalyte is an intelligent and attractive woman. Some of us here carry on with her in a witty and sometimes risqué manner. I will assume Dane has never been able to be on that level with Xena and is jealous.

It is this jealously that has led Dane to call Xena a slut, and that is improper and downright nasty. Xena is right on target with her anger.

Oh I get it now. It is ok for Flyer to banter with Xena with suggestive innuendo, and it is ok for Xena to revel in that, but if Dane(using the third person for conversation sake) makes a comment about Xena's innuendo, he is to be tarred and feathered and considered a misongynist.

JMO, Flyer, your analogy is akin to a homosexual parading and sashaying down the street with a literal sign that says fag, but if anyone else calls him a fag, that person automatically becomes a homophobe.

Gee isn't PCism fun.

135 posted on 07/16/2005 1:06:34 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Flyer; humblegunner; Xenalyte; jmc813; Lazamataz; Dane

136 posted on 07/16/2005 1:19:01 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Dane

There are still living Episcopalians? They've been an endangered and ever-shrinking species for 100 years.


137 posted on 07/16/2005 1:32:27 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Dane
I have a (very liberal) relative who is an Epicopalian priest. What's wierd is, he takes great pride in being part of the "Apostolic Succession." Yet, I know few self-described "christians" who have less repect for the Apostle's actual teaching than he does.

After a lifetime in "the ministry," I don't think the contradiction has occurred to him yet.

138 posted on 07/16/2005 1:39:07 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: FBD
Don't plug this into your USB port:


139 posted on 07/16/2005 1:39:36 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: humblegunner; FBD
Yawn you two.

Oh well when you don't have any thoughts to put into words to argue, rely on the standby of lame picture ad hominems.

140 posted on 07/16/2005 1:44:00 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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