It has exactly what you described in a previous post. I'm not a collector and have little knowledge of Japanese rifles but learned something today.
Good luck on the Auction!
Posted on 07/15/2005 12:53:59 PM PDT by Cagey
West Palm Beach police returned a rare and valuable Japanese rifle accepted in last weekend's gun buy back program to a World War II Navy veteran Friday.
Bruno Filippelli, 79, of Delray Beach, said he felt sorry for inconveniencing the police but was happy to have the firearm, which a rare gun collector said could be worth as much as $5,000.
The Arisaka Type 99 pressure test rifle, one of only about 50 left from World War II, was set to be melted down and destroyed, along with about 450 other firearms collected by the police last weekend.
"I feel like a kid again," said Filippelli, on his way into the department to pick up his rifle. "It's like Christmas in July."
Earlier story...
He bought it for two packs of Chesterfield cigarettes. He sold it for a $75 Target gift card.
But World War II Navy veteran and Delray Beach resident Bruno Filippelli never knew the Japanese rifle that collected dust in his closet for 60 years was a bona fide wartime treasure.
He turned it over to West Palm Beach police Saturday during the city's gun buy-back program, and the rare and valuable firearm — better suited in a polished museum or with a wealthy weapons collector — now lies alongside 450 other submitted shotguns, handguns and assault rifles in the department's evidence storage room.
"I feel like an idiot," said Filippelli, 79, four days after selling the rifle and just a few hours after discovering its worth.
And police say they're not giving it back. In fact, the gun could soon be melted down and destroyed with the others.
The controversy over the rare gun erupted when a picture of Filippelli turning over the rifle appeared in the Sunday edition of The Palm Beach Post. A Palm Beach police officer recognized the rare rifle, researched the gun and then delivered the bad news to Filippelli Wednesday.
"He told me, 'If I was you, I never would have turned it in,' " Filippelli said.
The gun, an Arisaka Type 99 pressure test rifle, is one of less than 100 ever produced. There are as few as 50 left, including about 20 in the United States, according to gun experts and dealers. The type of rifle was never used in the field. It was designed to test the chamber pressure and bullet velocity for the Type 99 rifle, which Imperial Japanese forces widely used throughout World War II.
Although the gun is not listed in most price guides, a piece in good shape could be valued by as much as $5,000, said Bob Adams, a rare-gun collector and firearms dealer in Albuquerque, N.M.
Adams, who sells Japanese rifles through mail orders and the Internet, said destroying the gun "would be a crime." He said West Palm Beach police should have identified the gun as a pressure test rifle that would not be used in violent crimes and should have never accepted it.
"That was a grave disservice to the guy that owned it and the whole collecting fraternity," Adams said. "That gun is history, and destroying history does not help the street crime problem."
The ultimate fate of the rifle is still up in the air, police officials said Thursday.
Police still need to determine if it is authentic and then donate it to an interested museum or destroy it with the others in the near future, said West Palm Beach police Lt. Chuck Reed, adding that a museum has contacted the department in reference to the gun.
Either way, police will not return the gun to Filippelli, said Reed, adding that returning it would defeat the purpose of the program, which was to get guns off the street.
"No matter the value of any of the guns, we're not going to resell any of them," he said.
Palm Beach Gardens resident Fred Honeycutt has catalogued the gun, along with many others, in his book, Military Rifles of Japan, now in its fifth edition. The retired engineer spent two weeks researching the book in Japan, where he met the gun's designers.
The Japanese produced the pressure test rifles in small amounts, and it is not known how many were assembled, said Honeycutt, whose wife spotted the picture of the gun in the newspaper.
"I didn't want it destroyed," he said. "It belongs in a museum."
Honeycutt contacted the police, and when they told him to find an interested museum, he contacted the National Firearms Museum in Fairfax, Va., he said.
The police department's "mission is noble and they do have a purpose, but this gun doesn't really belong in that effort," Honeycutt said.
Doug Wicklund, a senior curator at the National Firearms Museum, said the museum has two of that particular rifle, and he knows of a couple more at other museums around the country, but that's about it.
"You could probably count on fingers and toes how many you have left in the U.S.," said Wicklund, adding that he wouldn't try to appraise the gun because he's never heard of one being sold before. "They were not something the average soldier would have in his tent with him."
Filippelli, originally from Brooklyn, N.Y., said he spent nearly two years at war, including six months on a light cruiser patrolling the waters around the Japanese islands. The cruiser often faced attacks from Japanese kamikaze pilots, but "knocked out a few airplanes" in that time, he said.
Just days after the Japanese surrendered on board the battleship USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay in September 1945, Filippelli purchased the gun and a Japanese saber at a small shop in Tokyo.
He said the rifle "struck him" because of its strange shape and how heavy it was. It was marked with an insignia and the serial No. 47.
"You could buy anything for a couple packs of cigarettes," he said.
On Thursday, Filippelli visited the West Palm Beach Police Department and met with a police officer, but had no luck retrieving the weapon.
The officer showed the World War II veteran his gun, and Filippelli showed the officer his initials — BJF — engraved on the bottom of its barrel, he said.
The ordeal has been disappointing, but Filippelli said he hopes the rifle's final battle will be won, and it will escape the melting pot and be exhibited in a museum.
"I'd feel really good about that," he said. "I'd hope I'd get some connective recognition with it for bringing it over from Japan.
"That's all I'm asking for."
I can not believe a WW II veteran would be so naive as to even participate in the buy back scam. I don't know who to be more upset with.
Seriously, you are so right about police "perks".
My firewall won't let me hit that site from work, what is the price they are asking?
I believe good NRA Freepers should start an alternative to the police's collection program. We'll pay $100 for each firearm turned in. We then sell most pieces at auctions or shows (choice pieces retained for collections) to fund the site.
It's just the free market, we are offering more than the police..
For God's sake, get all these guns off the streets! I keep running over them and damaging my tires! Some streets are nearly impassable!
I thought of all of that, but it indicates he went down there himself. There are dealers, gunshows in palm beach are advertised monthly with "buy and sell" wording, even a friend of a friend.
Yes that is what I am describing on the top of the bolt housing.
With good behavior, he could be out in three months.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/12090000.htm?source=rss&channel=twincities_local
One set of laws for the ruling classes, and another for the peasants...
I always thought the Japanese ordered it because the chrysanthemum was the symbol of the royal family and it should not fall into enemy hands.
Currently, it's at $125 with four days left on the auction.
I'll have to put in a bid when I get home..
Thanks.
It has exactly what you described in a previous post. I'm not a collector and have little knowledge of Japanese rifles but learned something today.
Good luck on the Auction!
State laws vary of course, but federal law does not require any paperwork unless the seller is a federally licensed firearms dealer. It illegal, under federal law, to be engaged in the business of buying and selling firearms without a license. I'm sure this would not count as being engaged in the business, because the intent is not to make money. Florida, and the federales, require background checks of purchasers, not sellers. Law enforcement agencies are exempt from these requirements (as usual)
I guarantee you, that's where it will end up. That's where plenty buy-backs in good condition go.
(most were defaced after the war.)
Yeah..whats the value of a rifle with the emperors Crysanthymum hallmark?
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