That's nice, but how does one use Islam to take a stand against the radicals when Islam advocates violence in the name of it's god?
The Koran must be refuted to accomplish the task. I'm not holding my breath.
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Blah blah blah. This is a couple centuries too late. I worked with 13 muzzies around 9-11. half of them thought we deserved it. The other half stayed silent while the others were blaming America. I understand Death to the infidels!!!
That's a start.....but only after you remove them from their positions, and blow the whistle on those in your community who are teaching this crap in your schools, and making bombs in the basement, recruiting lonely young men and women for suicide, transfering money to jihadists, etc. Simple ridicule isn't going to cut it.
The question is, do a significant number of Muslims agree with this position.
Perhaps before people start throwing to may barbs, insults, jokes etc., they should read what this guys says, analysis it a bit, and then perhaps come to the conclusion he is amoung a few (publically any) that have address the options for fixing their from day one cult. Of course he is setting himself up for extermination by the looks of it, unless a whole body of clerics in the US sign on in significant numbers (those with authority over their given sect), with one voice. Perhaps Britain's and Europe's groups would sign on, and carry out what he proposes.
I am not going to enter a debate here. Some of us have not gone to any pains then perhaps reading a web site, to get a feel as how different Islamic sects in differing parts of the mideast and elsewhere interprete different versions of the Qu'ran, how the Hadiths and other books are to be interpreted, and only go by what they read from a few verseses we all often quote and or reference by book/verse,
and this leads one to automatically think every Muslim in the world have the same believes as to what to follow and what no to. The whole system of Islam and Arab culture is beyond the reach of most of us, so we assume every muslim thinks the same, follows everything in the book to a tee etc.. To think like that is in error. How many Christains for instance, regardless of their particular affiliations can really provide a solid understanding of the how,why,who of the OT/NT? Very few people I have meet over the years really study the bible, it's histories, all the bible translations, etc.. They take a few things on faith they heard since childhood. Same with many muslims. Many are not even well versed in transliteration when they have to read a particular version of the Qu'ran where the words are different, mean different things etc.. It gets very complicated. With the end result, most of them just listen to what their Imman teaches them, and are open to all kinds of bad shit. I said my piece.
There is no such ideology called Islamofascism and there exists no self-described Islamofascist. Islam is bad enough. It's simply an inaccurate term invented by neoconservatives who are too afraid to offend Muslims by honestly assessing that religion.
"If CAIR were sincere and straightforward in its opposition to terrorism, it would cease apologizing for terrorism in Israel, which it blames on the Jews, and in Iraq, which it blames on the U.S.-led coalition. It would end its long-standing effort to identify our religion with its political ideology. It would break its ties with the Saudi kingdom, which include direct funding and other visible expressions of support. It would dedicate itself to the improvement of Muslim life among the law-abiding citizens and residents of the greatest and most generous government in human history, that of the United States. But CAIR cannot accomplish such a worthy and necessary aim. It is stuck on the crooked path of radical apologetics. "
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/wahhabiwatch.htm
These are wonderful words from Dr. Jasser, however to be frank they don't mean anything to me because the muslim's foundational book - the Koran - is quite explicit in its instruction that the good muslim should either convert the infidel (that would be me) or if they won't convert - then kill them (again, that would be me). As a Bible literalist I understand where the muslim literalist is coming from. Rather than spending their time and effort to spread the Good News that Jesus died for our sins and that Salvation is through Him alone, the good muslim will plow planes into buildings full of people. If Islam shreds their koran and comes up with a 'nicer' version - then I guess I would buy these words - but that isn't going to happen (the muslim worships their koran). Until then, my conclusion is that the hand of God restrains most muslims and keeps the majority of them in a gentle, honorable, and peaceful state... But this strain of moderate islam is merely a dormant state - awaiting the time that the 'believer' actually reads his book and believes it.
If you have any links that refutes the fact that the koran states that infidels (me again) should be killed - please reference them. The words in the koran seem pretty clear - and thus my problem isn't with the 'so-called' fringe, it is with their foundational cornerstone (the koran).
Is the Koran the literal word of god?
Seventy years ago the first batch of fascists came from Rome, painted crosses on their weapons and prayers on their clothes, and tried to take over the world. The rest of the world's Christians wiped them out. Now we got a new bunch of fascist-types from Mecca, complete with Moslem trappings, also trying to take over. At issue is whether the Christians should have to be the ones to clean up this Moslem-fascist mess or why can't the Moslems keep their own people in line like the Christians did.
Maybe we'd be in a better position to criticize the way the Moslems handle their idiots, if we at the Freerepublic were able to keep a tighter leash on the nuke-Mecca gang.