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California: Police Keep Close Eye On Border Vigilantes
TV 10News.com (San Diego) ^ | 7/15/05 | n/a

Posted on 07/16/2005 9:56:10 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Police Keep Close Eye On Border Vigilantes

Vigilantes Spark Protests From Civil Rights Groups

POSTED: 3:48 pm PDT July 15, 2005 UPDATED: 5:28 pm PDT July 15, 2005

SAN DIEGO -- A group of volunteers that plan to start monitoring the San Diego County-Mexico border this weekend -- and their foes -- will not be allowed to commit vigilante or racial violence, authorities said Friday.

Participants in the grassroots project "Operation Border Watch" must limit their involvement to "eyes and ears and talking," San Diego County Sheriff Bill Kolender warned.

"If there's any violation of the law ... on either side of this issue, law enforcement will, in fact, take action," Kolender said during a news conference.

Also attending the midmorning briefing at the sheriff's Kearny Mesa headquarters were officials with the U.S. Border Patrol and the Chula Vista and National City police departments.

In recent weeks, preparations for the civilian immigration-control effort have sparked protests from civil rights groups, as did similar endeavors conducted in Arizona this year by a group called the Minutemen.

Opponents called the self-appointed border enforcers -- most of whom carry guns -- dangerous vigilantes and bigots.

The monitors say their goal is to help enforce immigration laws and that they carry firearms strictly for self-defense.

Along with law enforcement agencies, immigrant-advocacy groups have promised to send observers to the county's arid southern reaches to keep an eye on the volunteer border watchers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2006comingvatos; aliens; criminalsnthecapitol; govigilantes; heyvatobreath; immigrantlist; propaganda
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1 posted on 07/16/2005 9:56:10 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim
Well if it takes "vigilantes" being watched to get the police to watch the borders, then so be it!
3 posted on 07/16/2005 10:00:55 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Border vigilantes"

No press bias there.

4 posted on 07/16/2005 10:01:01 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: kiriath_jearim
Wow, that TV 10 is really biased.

Vigilantes Spark Protests From Civil Rights Groups

That line makes it sound like "Operation Border Watch" is responsible for the protests from the "Civil Rights Groups."

Also, it calls the people involved with "Operation Border Watch" vigilantes, while the next sentence says that they "will not be allowed to commit vigilante or racial violence." This in effect proclaims that they are breaking the law right from the beginning.

5 posted on 07/16/2005 10:03:48 AM PDT by psychoknk
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To: kiriath_jearim

I suspect at some point, the Border Patrol will recieve orders not to respond to the MinuteMen...


6 posted on 07/16/2005 10:04:10 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: kellynla

Yes, we must make sure the U.S. citizens respect the law, even if our elected officials and the Mexican citizens don't. Kinda makes you want to puke.


7 posted on 07/16/2005 10:04:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

While they are keeping a "close eye" on the "vigilantes," maybe they could do their job and arrest some of the illegals entering the country.


8 posted on 07/16/2005 10:05:43 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
While they are keeping a "close eye" on the "vigilantes," maybe they could do their job and arrest some of the illegals entering the country.<> < >No, all the Locals are afraid of "irritating" the Radical La Raza/MeCha types. LAPD has their rule#40. San Diego Sheriff's policy states that UNLESS THEIR IS A CRIME, CITIZENSHIP STATUS IS NOT TO BE QUESTIONED
9 posted on 07/16/2005 10:09:47 AM PDT by radar101
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To: kellynla
Just my sentiments.

If the sheriffs would do their jobs when they stop an illegal immigrant there wouldn't be any use for civilian border patrols.

Somehow the thinking of current leadership in police departments is that they can selectivity enforce laws.

I bet you a silver dollar that they would go bonkers if the illegal was not wearing their seat belt.
10 posted on 07/16/2005 10:10:00 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, we must make sure the U.S. citizens respect the law, even if our elected officials and the Mexican citizens don't. Kinda makes you want to puke

No, makes me want to take up arms against those who would be our Rulers.

When there is not Law, there can be no lawlessness.

The Friggin Pols in Washington have sewn the wind with this bullshit, now they can reap the whirlwind.


11 posted on 07/16/2005 10:11:26 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: kellynla

Exactly my thoughts too. If the police have to be at the border to watch the vigilantes, why can't they watch the border without them? Either way the cost to Calif. would be the same,right?


12 posted on 07/16/2005 10:12:45 AM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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To: kiriath_jearim
If there's any violation of the law ... on either side of this issue, law enforcement will, in fact, take action

Does that mean that illegal aliens will be arrested?

13 posted on 07/16/2005 10:13:53 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat
If there's any violation of the law ... on either side of this issue, law enforcement will, in fact, take action

But if it's regarding the issue itself, ILLEGAL immigration, then the aliens go free as always.

14 posted on 07/16/2005 10:19:32 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is what happens today in the United States when the citizenry try to uphold the laws of the country: Law enforcement agencies turn against the US citizenry, and leave the criminals alone. Anyone see anything wrong with this picture? When your county sheriff is up for reelection make sure he is on the side of the people who elected him, not the local, state, federal government who seem to loath enforcing immigration laws.


15 posted on 07/16/2005 10:20:33 AM PDT by ampat
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To: kiriath_jearim
wtf...

wouldn't it be great if the border patrol and the police were doing their job stopping the illegals in the first place?

16 posted on 07/16/2005 10:22:41 AM PDT by NoClones
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To: kiriath_jearim

Resources to track watchers but none to look for criminal aliens. That's your position Sheriff?


17 posted on 07/16/2005 10:24:36 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

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18 posted on 07/16/2005 10:25:37 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: kiriath_jearim
to keep an eye on the volunteer border watchers

This isn't America anymore. Ignore the invaders, but make sure to keep an eye on those who are trying to discourage the invasion...sickening.

19 posted on 07/16/2005 10:31:06 AM PDT by janetgreen
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Opponents called the self-appointed border enforcers -- most of whom carry guns -- dangerous vigilantes and bigots.

That's what the "news" source employee said, most of 'dem dangerous people carry guns.

Yes, dangerous vigilantes and bigots, of course. Disagreeing with the pro-ILLEGAL immigrant crowd, left and right, you are those things and many more.

But what I wonder about is carrying guns. In California? It's illegal here to say the word g-n. Unless you're a criminal and then of course it's what they do. California law makers understand that and are sensitive to it but it's the law abiding citizens that cannot carry g-ns.

But it does make those critters sound more dangerous, don't it?

20 posted on 07/16/2005 10:32:26 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: SittinYonder

No need to stop illegal aliens - it's not in the Rulers' Plan for the peasants (that's us, by the way). "Vigilantes" just slow down our loss of sovereignty. By 2010, there will be no border between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, according to the “Building a North American Community” report by the Council on Foreign Relations.


21 posted on 07/16/2005 10:33:22 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: kiriath_jearim

This just BEGGS for a comedy sketch where the incompetent CF police are harrassing the border watchers while illegals walk right by unmolested.


22 posted on 07/16/2005 10:36:12 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: ampat
"Law enforcement agencies turn against the US citizenry, and leave the criminals alone. Anyone see anything wrong with this picture?"

This is a "perversion" of government. You border stater's carefully check your state Constitutions. My Maryland Constitution states in the "Declaration of Rights";

Article 1. That all Government of right originates from the People, is founded in compact only, and instituted solely for the good of the whole; and they have, at all times, the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their Form of Government in such manner as they may deem expedient.

Article 6. That all persons invested with the Legislative or Executive powers of Government are the Trustees of the Public, and, as such, accountable for their conduct: Wherefore, whenever the ends of Government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the People may, and of right ought, to reform the old, or establish a new Government; the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

The only thing left out is the HOW. The right is documented.
Since most state Constitutions are base on the US Constitution, I would bet some border states have the same wording.

If this situation is not what the writers of my states Constitution had in mind I don't know what they could have meant.
23 posted on 07/16/2005 10:36:22 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: kiriath_jearim
California: Police Keep Close Eye On Border Vigilantes

You know what would have been really, really cool?

If about 10 years ago, this very headline would have appeared with the last word missing:

California: Police Keep Close Eye On Border

Then none of this would have been necessary.

24 posted on 07/16/2005 10:36:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Looks like the Supreme Court wants to play Cowboys and Homeowners.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"A group of volunteers that plan to start monitoring the San Diego County-Mexico border this weekend -- and their foes -- will not be allowed to commit vigilante or racial violence, authorities said Friday."

So how many incidents of "vigilante or racial violence" has there been to date? Any? Perhaps they should also warn these men about not beating their wives as well.


25 posted on 07/16/2005 10:40:45 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: Lazamataz

Good point. I would add that if we hadn't become a welfare society with all sorts of "rights" given to illegal aliens, plus if English had become our official language, we would not have had to worry about the border itself quite as much.


26 posted on 07/16/2005 10:41:02 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Lazamataz

LOL!!! Yeah I guess that, that would be too obvious for the politicians and "journalist" to consider.


27 posted on 07/16/2005 10:44:44 AM PDT by Tempest (Sean Hannity was right.)
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To: Lazamataz
excellent point.
Succinct as always, Laz!
28 posted on 07/16/2005 10:50:55 AM PDT by FBD
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Vigilantes Spark Protests From Civil Rights Groups"

They're not vigilantes until they do something illegal, like taking the law into their own hands. It's hard to understand how the media can refer to them as 'vigilanties' simply because they've volunteered to help the police and border patrol by reporting illegal entrants to them.

29 posted on 07/16/2005 10:58:43 AM PDT by TheCrusader (("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II)
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To: OKIEDOC
I bet you a silver dollar that they would go bonkers if the illegal was not wearing their seat belt.

I dunno - I bet the illegal would get let off, because he has no money, no ID, no way to collect the fine, etc. Laws like that are just a 'revenue enhancement' - they come down hard on the working stiff with a paycheck. The eliete folks and illegals skate out, you and me get the punishment.

30 posted on 07/16/2005 10:59:35 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Someone needs to point out to the Police that the illegals are not likely to vote for pay raises for police departments. The more of them they get the less the Police are likely to benefit.


31 posted on 07/16/2005 11:01:36 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: kiriath_jearim

Citizens who are trying to protect our borders are now "border vigilantes," huh? Maybe the lamestream media idiot who came up with that headline will sing a different song when a family member is the target of a crime committed by an illegal alien.


32 posted on 07/16/2005 11:04:36 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
"The Friggin Pols in Washington have sewn the wind with this bullshit, now they can reap the whirlwind."

Nah, their plush estates and lavish lifestyle insulates them from reaping the whirlwind of mass illegal immigration. They haven't got a clue.

33 posted on 07/16/2005 11:06:05 AM PDT by TheCrusader (("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Saw the hyphenated American on TV who claims their faith based group will be monitoring the Minutemen -and who called the other guy a racist -- Funny hting is the so called faith based group spokesman also said they don't
care if the people coming across are "documented," or not.
Legla-or illegla or drug dealers or OTM doesn't matter this so called faith based group is there to make sure they get free access to that American Pie.Problem I have with such is if they are Christian they ought be concerned with those who obey the Law and those who come to ignore-violate the law. IF they are there to help 'em all their
religion is NOT Christian AND UN-AMERICAN.


34 posted on 07/16/2005 11:10:02 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: kiriath_jearim
"ANY VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW" . . .

Come on cut the crap, that is precisely why "Border Watchers" are there - to bring public attention to massive violations of the law by illegal aliens, while law enforcement does nothing!

35 posted on 07/16/2005 11:10:17 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: Search4Truth

If there is any "racial violence" it would likely be commited by the MECHA types. After all, their motto is "For THE RACE everything, for all others nothing".


36 posted on 07/16/2005 11:11:39 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: TheCrusader

Then we need to make them feel it, and in a very personal way.


37 posted on 07/16/2005 11:12:09 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: NoClones

and IT SURE WOULD BE GREAT if th emere politicians and the
Judiciary would honor and act as if they were under the
same Constitution and Laws they impress upon everyone else.
That the "Police" and the Border Patrol"have NOT enforced the Law but by wink and not allowed drug traffickers and
alQaida -and thousands of OTM come across at will is WHY
we need More patriotic Americans to watch those who draw
salary to make our borders secure.


38 posted on 07/16/2005 11:14:40 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: TheCrusader

" They're not vigilantes until they do something illegal, like taking the law into their own hands."

It's harder still to understand how they are taking the law into their own hands when there IS no law.

There's only a Pretense of law based on some document that our government has completely ignored.

Until they reinstitute OUR government in this country there is only rule by force of arms, until then we are all resisters in a new Civil War.

Damn Washington DC, damn the Politicians and Damn the Police.


39 posted on 07/16/2005 11:16:30 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: ncountylee
Resources to track watchers but none to look for criminal aliens. That's your position Sheriff?

As appalling as it seems, that's the position from the highest level of government down to the lowest.

It's also the position of nearly every media outlet, many businesses, the US Chamber of Commerce, and most religious organizations, not to mention the usual suspects like the ACLU.

40 posted on 07/16/2005 11:17:10 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: kiriath_jearim
Opponents called the self-appointed border enforcers -- most of whom carry guns -- dangerous vigilantes and bigots.

Other than that, the paragraph is fine.

I find it ironic that it takes a group like this to get law enforcement to pay any attention to the problem. If we left it up to Bill Kolender, we'd just let the flood continue until we're overwhelmed.

41 posted on 07/16/2005 11:38:04 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: kiriath_jearim

This whole immigration issue has to be driven in part
by the low birthrate issue, just like in Europe.

From 1971 until a couple of years ago, America's
low birthrate meant that women were not having enough
children to exceed deaths. This was offset to some
extent by the baby boomer's grandbabies
and by, surprise, surprise, immigration.

Which leads you to conclude that, behind all the
rhetoric, both political parties are okay with
lots and lots of immigration. Including illegal,
it would seem, if you have policies to make illegals
legal after enough time has passed.

In Europe you have the huge influx of Muslims and in
the USA a flood of people from Latin America. Now
we're experiencing some very unpleasant side
effects. How ironic that this country kills off its
citizens with legal abortion so it can replace them
with illegals.


42 posted on 07/16/2005 11:38:55 AM PDT by Sabatier
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yep, the police need to make sure the CRIMINALS violating Federal Law are protected from the likes of those "vigilante" radicals that might want all those ILLEGALS to stop breaking the law.

Hmmm... And how many murders, shootings, gang violence and drug deals are going on that they should be investigating a little more closely? Oh, I forget, California is a Socialist Nation...

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43 posted on 07/16/2005 11:44:01 AM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: psychoknk; Leatherneck_MT; WilliamofCarmichael; Lazamataz; Iscool; pabianice

The Orwellian double-speak in this article is getting pretty well entrenched. Sadly, President Bush also called the Minutemen "vigilantes". While he is a good man, he is the person who is most responsible for legitimizing the term.

"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America."~ President George Bush


I don't believe Pres. Bush has ever retracted that statement.
-Our President has also made the following statements. (the first two statements were made before he was President):


"Family Values Don't Stop at the Rio Bravo" -- George W. Bush
"Hell, if they'll cross Big Bend, we want 'em." -- George W. Bush
"They just do the jobs Americans won't do...."--George W. Bush


44 posted on 07/16/2005 11:50:13 AM PDT by FBD
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To: kellynla; .38sw; 1 FELLOW FREEPER; 101viking; 1lawlady; 2Fro; 2rightsleftcoast; 357 SIG; ...
Well if it takes "vigilantes" being watched to get the police to watch the borders, then so be it!

Sad, but that seems to be the best that we can hope for from our "law enforcement" establishment.

Citizens to the border!

.

45 posted on 07/16/2005 11:58:19 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: kellynla
Reflects the official "lets do nothing some more" attitude of all levels of government from top to bottom.

A thorough housecleaning is way past due.

46 posted on 07/16/2005 12:09:00 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: editor-surveyor
Citizens to the border!

BTTT

47 posted on 07/16/2005 12:09:03 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: editor-surveyor

#46 is for you too.


48 posted on 07/16/2005 12:10:23 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: gubamyster
This is what the fence looks like in San Diego. It's made of rusty old surplus SeaBee runway mats. Helpfully, it was installed with the corrogations horizontal to serve as toeholds. Nine year olds can climb it carrying soccer balls in each hand.


49 posted on 07/16/2005 12:14:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: FBD

I'm afraid after reading the report below and after years of giving him benefit of the doubt, I can't agree with you about the President. For him to essentially call Americans "lazy" while doing nothing to undo the socialist state is such a kick in the face. Those who "want to work" are called "vigilantes."

The document referred to below calls for open borders by 2010.

"This CFR document, called "Building a North American Community," asserts that George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "committed their governments" to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" and assigned "working groups" to fill in the details.

"It was at this same meeting, grandly called the North American summit, that President Bush pinned the epithet "vigilantes" on the volunteers guarding our border in Arizona. "

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html


50 posted on 07/16/2005 12:18:07 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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