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I shudder to think the risk to which intelligence agency operatives have been exposed as a result of the extraordinarily sensitive information the reporter revealed here about the agency's methods .. .just to defend Plame and Wilson and whine and lie about Rove.

Urging all to read the rest of this lengthy article .... what's revealed about different methods of cover and the creation thereof is stunning. I can't imagine how Greg Miller can get away with this.

Sounds like he attended this dinner with these former "operatives?" And who arranged that? Will someone get a knock at their door?

1 posted on 07/16/2005 7:05:37 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: STARWISE

The statute involved here is very specific as to what it means by covert status. I'm not John Kerry, so I don't need the nuances.


2 posted on 07/16/2005 7:10:55 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: STARWISE

She should not have married such a publicity hound.


3 posted on 07/16/2005 7:11:34 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: STARWISE

So, these partisan hacks got caught with their pants down.
And Rove was unfortunate to be in the room when she farted. YYYYyyyaaawwwnnn. Wake me up when the farting's over.


4 posted on 07/16/2005 7:11:48 PM PDT by Ilky Hucktar
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To: STARWISE

In this article Wilson said that Plame didn't reveal her "job" until well into their courtship....

From other articles he said it was the third date---that is "well into their courtship?"

From reading this, I believe she broke quite a few rules by telling him as easily as she did...

Did you read that book that came out last year before the election, Anonymous by a man names Scheurer (sp)...a CIA agent when he wrote it?

I didn't, but I wonder how explicit he gets in his book about this stuff?


5 posted on 07/16/2005 7:19:34 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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Plame was deactivated right after Aldrich Ames got busted. The CIA believed his spying compromised her. Her cover was blown way before Rove entered the picture.


6 posted on 07/16/2005 7:20:08 PM PDT by etcetera
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"It doesn't matter what her status was"

It matters everything what her status was when it concerns legal responsibility but even beside that Rove didn't out her either way.

Give it a rest Covert Drama Queens.


8 posted on 07/16/2005 7:23:30 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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He gave up a piece of the puzzle and he had no right to do it."

Who could have guessed that spending 5 years at a desk job in Washington as an ambassadors wife,while attending political functions was such an obscure,hard to fit piece of our intelligence puzzle.
This gets funnier as each day goes by,still waiting for the forged documents to show up to make it complete.

9 posted on 07/16/2005 7:24:30 PM PDT by carlr
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If Plame's cover was so important, she had to be violating major procedures by arranging for her husband to be working openly in the same WMD proliferation area.

Her cover is as an energy consultant, but it just so happens that her husband is a Diplomat flying about poking into WMD. If the hostiles suspected she might be CIA, the antics of her husband would have provided the piece of the puzzle that would blow her cover clean off.

10 posted on 07/16/2005 7:24:42 PM PDT by Plutarch
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All the MSM are HATE America types. Why does this surprise you?


11 posted on 07/16/2005 7:35:58 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches, hard to get rid of.>)
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Marking so I can read it tomorrow...


12 posted on 07/16/2005 7:53:20 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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Yes, I also have an impression that five NOCs had dinner together and invited an LA Times reporter to join them. That is a totally disgusting professional breach.

This publicity hound Plame claims that Rove outed her. What a laugh. I trust she has been taken out of the loop at the CIA, and that these friends are taken out as well.

She was clearly a poor choice for the CIA.


14 posted on 07/16/2005 7:57:12 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com i hope EVERY ONE of these pukes gets a CIA Special Review of anything they have ever touched for traces of their filth...
16 posted on 07/16/2005 8:06:26 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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Plame's cover — in which she posed as a private energy consultant while actually working for a CIA department tracking weapons proliferation — was somewhere in the middle of those extremes.

This is information that came from Wilson himself. This information appears no where in Novak's column, nor does it appear anywhere in any conversation with Rove.

Wilson outed his wife in an effort to get Rove. Except that he really didn't "out" her, since she wasn't really undercover. Just like he outed himself as a CIA agent, when he claimed they sent him to investigate a matter of some controversy, except that they didn't send him, she did, and the matter of controversy wasn't actually controversial. Iraq's trade mission to Niger was public information.

And he lied about what his conclusions were, since he reported to the CIA that it was true, and then wrote in the NY Times that it was false.

She said that the idea that Niger was smuggling uranium was "crazy", but we now know it was true, since Libya exposed its uranium connection. Which makes you wonder just how much did the CIA's WMD expert really know about her supposed area of expertise.

17 posted on 07/16/2005 8:15:01 PM PDT by marron
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Hilail Gildin writes: "Andrea Mitchell was asked, on MSNBC, whether it was generally known to news people, before the hullabaloo, that Ms. Planme worked for the CIA. She answered, somewhat reluctantly, that it was. In the light of this, I don't understand the ensuing fuss."


20 posted on 07/16/2005 8:34:15 PM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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To: STARWISE
NRO Cliff May
claims, Wilson
& David Corn
are probable
Plame Leakers!

26 posted on 07/16/2005 9:05:32 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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Read earlier, on another post (Prosecute Plame: More Treachery in the War at Home David Horowitz's article and Newt's take') that the now famed journalist. . . Matt Cooper; is married to "Hillary operative' Mandy Grumwold.

Interesting unfolding here. . .that I had not heard; after all these painful days of MSM reportage. . .(and when do we get to the heart of this Plame/Wilson treason)?

In the meantime, Valerie is still imagining that she is a 'secret' agent. . .and continues her covert efforts to bring down our President; and damn America as well. . .

37 posted on 07/16/2005 10:10:40 PM PDT by cricket (Just say NO U.N.)
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Ah, yes. In Idiot Liberal Land, a smirking CIA desk clerk gets the bright idea to send her midget husband on a trip to Niger, who then files a fabricated "report," and she's the poor little victim.

Oh, yes. And she's always been in "deep cover," pushing paper at Langley. She's been the number on fighter against terror, even though she's spent most of her time trying to keep dear Saddam safe from harm.

39 posted on 07/17/2005 3:43:20 AM PDT by Reactionary
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Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


41 posted on 07/17/2005 3:29:40 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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