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Our safety is in the hands of Pakistan
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | July 17, 2005 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 07/16/2005 11:15:55 PM PDT by MadIvan

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If this was the era of the British Empire, the madrassas would have been burned to the ground already. Is this post-imperial world supposed to be better?

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 07/16/2005 11:15:56 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Semper911; lutz; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; pax_et_bonum; Alkhin; ..

Ping!


2 posted on 07/16/2005 11:16:14 PM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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The reality of a WOT against 1.2 billion Muslims starts to sink in. There are 150 million people in Pakistan, most of them young.

China is waiting in the wings.

3 posted on 07/16/2005 11:37:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: MadIvan
Release the football thugs!

I don't know what Musharraf's secret thoughts are but it seems that the guy has a tough job and is doing the best that he can, between assasination attempts. I have no doubt that he is tougher on islamists than us or the Brits.

4 posted on 07/16/2005 11:39:15 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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If our safety is in the hands of Pakistan, we're in one Helluva shape.


5 posted on 07/16/2005 11:41:07 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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If our safety is in the hands of Pakistan, we're in one Helluva shape.

Only because the west has castrated fools for leaders.

6 posted on 07/16/2005 11:44:19 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: MadIvan

We've also got 1 billion Indians who would love to smackdown the Pakis.


7 posted on 07/16/2005 11:44:55 PM PDT by Maynerd (When do we turn the Ka'Ba' into Ka'Boom?)
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"It is now clear that the West's courtship of General Musharraf is in deep trouble. "

I'll believe that when I see it.

8 posted on 07/16/2005 11:46:41 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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If our safety is in the hands of Pakistan, we're in one Helluva shape.

Even since BCCI in the 80's and 90's, it has been known that Pakistan is a rogue state. Heroin dealing (the Afghans grow, the Paks refine and sell), nuke proliferation, the Taliban, money laundering, sanctuary to al Qaeda, madrassas (aka "hate schools") etc.

You name it, and Pakistan has been involved in it, with nefarious global and regional motives.

Of course the Saudis contribute generously to the problem.

9 posted on 07/17/2005 12:03:08 AM PDT by angkor
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um, good luck, these are the people who Ghandi couldn't get to chill


10 posted on 07/17/2005 12:29:44 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (whats wrong with a draft?)
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To: Carry_Okie

Exactly few people understand the magnitude of Islam and the WOT. Even Pakistan itself is a huge nation.


11 posted on 07/17/2005 12:44:26 AM PDT by ran15
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Exactly few people understand the magnitude of Islam and the WOT.

That's one reason the amount of money we're spending in Iraq really concerns me. We can't afford to buy Iraqi cooperation, in fact, such may do them more harm than good.

13 posted on 07/17/2005 1:05:57 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: ran15

Pakistan has areas which the Pakistani government doesn't control...these are called "tribal areas". All manner of lawlessness from opium production to terrorist training camps goes on there.

Again, this is supposed to be better than Imperial rule?

Regards, Ivan


14 posted on 07/17/2005 1:07:38 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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"I don't know what Musharraf's secret thoughts are but it seems that the guy has a tough job and is doing the best that he can, between assasination attempts. I have no doubt that he is tougher on islamists than us or the Brits."

That just highlights the problem though. While he may be doing the best he can, it doesn't seem to be having much effect.

And he's probably the best we could expect from a leader of Pakistan, so what happens when one of the assassination/coup attempts gets through. You can bet the next guy is worse for us, what's out back-up plan then?


15 posted on 07/17/2005 1:43:24 AM PDT by Canard
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There's a simple solution to the problem of Pakistani influence on British youth: only give visas for trips to Pakistan to business people. Keep young students out of Pakistan and they won't return as bombers. Tony is a courageous man but he tends to overcomplicate some of these issues in his attempts to keep everyone happy.


16 posted on 07/17/2005 1:58:34 AM PDT by defenderSD (Suddenly the raven on Scalia's shoulder stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven...."Nevergore.")
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"only give visas for trips to Pakistan to business people. Keep young students out of Pakistan and they won't return as bombers. Tony is a courageous man but he tends to overcomplicate some of these issues in his attempts to keep everyone happy."

How does the British government have any control over who gets visas to enter Pakistan?


17 posted on 07/17/2005 2:14:32 AM PDT by Canard
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The Brits have to work out a deal with the Pakis to keep British students out of Pakistan. Heck, we gave them a billion dollars, that's the least they can do for the US and our allies.


18 posted on 07/17/2005 2:19:12 AM PDT by defenderSD (Suddenly the raven on Scalia's shoulder stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven...."Nevergore.")
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The least they could do would be to close down the madrasses. I just don't have any faith in their ability to do it. Wouldn't have much faith in their ability to keep students out of the country either.


19 posted on 07/17/2005 2:21:38 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Carry_Okie

What exactly is China waiting for??It is afterall,Pakistan's oldest ally.


20 posted on 07/17/2005 3:36:54 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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