Wilson Didn't Complain About "The 16 Words" Until He Was Working On Kerry Campaign

Numerous | July 18, 2005 | Numerous

[Sam Hill]

Wilson didn't say boo about Bush's SOTU address or the famous "16 words about uranium" until after he was an advisor on the Kerry campaign.
 
It wasn't for lack of opportunity, since Wilson was on several news programs between the SOTU and when he began his jihad against Bush in June/July. Such as the program he did with Bill Moyers a month after the SOTU. 

 

In it he said nothing about Yellowcake or Bush's duplicity at all. As you know, Wilson as CERTAIN Saddam had WMDs and would use them against us. As this exchange shows.
 
NOW with Bill Moyers. Transcript. Bill Moyers Talks with Joseph C. Wilson, IV. 2.28.03 | PBS

 

"MOYERS: President Bush's recent speech to the American Enterprise Institute, he said, let me quote it to you. "The danger posed by Saddam Hussein and his weapons cannot be ignored or wished away." You agree with that?
 
WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. I…
 
MOYERS: "The danger must be confronted." You agree with that? "We would hope that the Iraqi regime will meet the demands of the United Nations and disarm fully and peacefully. If it does not, we are prepared to disarm Iraq by force. Either way, this danger will be removed. The safety of the American people depends on ending this direct and growing threat." You agree with that?
 
WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. The President goes on to say in that speech as he did in the State of the Union Address is we will liberate Iraq from a brutal dictator. All of which is true. But the only thing Saddam Hussein hears in this speech or the State of the Union Address is, "He's coming to kill me. He doesn't care if I have weapons of mass destruction or not. His objective is to come and overthrow my regime and to kill me." And that then does not provide any incentive whatsoever to disarm."

 

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_wilson.html

When did Wilson become a foreign policy advisor for John Kerry?

 

"(Kerry Advisor Rand) Beers Said Wilson Communicates With Campaign Advisers At Least Once A Week.''

-- Patrick Healy and Wayne Washington, "In Probe Of CIA Leak, Two Sides See Politics,'' The Boston Globe, 10/2/03

"Wilson ... Said He Has Long Been A Kerry Supporter And Has Contributed $2,000 To The Campaign This Year. He Said He Has Been Advising Kerry On Foreign Policy For About Five Months And Will Campaign For Kerry, Including A Trip To New Hampshire... 

-- David Tirrell-Wysocki, "Former Ambassador Wilson Endorses Kerry In Presidential Race,'' The Associated Press, 10/23/03"Wilson was beamed into New Hampshire via a conference call Thursday to make the endorsement official. He'll put in a personal appearance there next month. It had already been revealed that Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame, had contributed to the Kerry campaign.

 

Wilson also acknowledged that he has been advising Kerry on foreign policy for about five months."

 

-- From Boston Herald editorial, "Diplomat's 'outrage' finds political outlet," 10/25/03

 

 

Five months earlier is May 2003. It was right around then that the first leaks to the press from Wilson began to show up. Of course it could just be a coincidence.

 

May 6, 2003
The New York Times
Missing In Action: Truth
By Nicholas D. Kristof
       
June 12, 2003
CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data
Bush Used Report Of Uranium Bid
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer

 

June 29, 2003
Independent
Ministers Knew War Papers Were Forged, Says Diplomat

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington and Raymond Whitaker in London

 

June 6, 2003
What I Didn't Find In Africa
New York Times Editorial
Joseph C. Wilson, IV

 

Note, too, the date of Wilson's first contribution to Kerry's campaign:

 

Wilson, Joseph C
Washington, DC 20007

 

JC Wilson International Ventures/Bu
KERRY, JOHN F (D)
President

 

JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC
$1,000
primary 05/23/03

Wilson posted this on the site John Kerry ran for him, "RestoreHonesty.com":

 

"I wasn't ready to keep quiet when this President misled the nation in his State of the Union Address..."

-- Joseph Wilson, A Letter from Joe Wilson on John Kerry

 

But it's clear he was. Or rather it is clear that Wilson only began to rewrite history once he was working for the Kerry campaign. Even if he was an unpaid advisor, he was surely hoping for a plum job in any Kerry administration.

 

This would explain why Wilson said nothing to Moyers about his doubts in their interview. It also explains why what Wilson now claims doesn't match what he reported back to the CIA, as the 9/11 Commission revealed. Wilson only made it up once he got on the Kerry team.

 

Please note that no one in the unbiased media have ever asked Wilson or Kerry about this coincidence of timing.

[Shaka]

Yes I did. Very nicely done!

[GRRRRR]

FReeekin' great work...I've emailed it to Sean, Brit and Rush...keep yer ears open to hear if they pick up on this thread...

G

[goosie]

This is so interesting. I had just read page 161 in "The Truth About Hillary" by Edward Klein about Mandy. She was liberal to the core but grew up in a Republican household.

Strange how takes are so different.

[TexasCajun]

Good Work!

You can add Mark Levin's documentation to your compilation.

Valerie’s No Victim
Plame put herself into a political place.

Let's cut through all the clutter: Almost two years ago, I wrote that Joe Wilson had himself to blame for the publicity surrounding his wife, Valerie Plame. I was wrong. Look to Valerie Plame herself.

http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200507181123.asp

[Sacajaweau]

Mandy's father, Henry, died in February 2005. What did Daddy know?? and pass on to Mandy. For all we know, Daddy left Mandy volumes and volumes of "sources".

[Laverne]

It also jumped out at me that the FBI was discussing this with Sen Rockerfeller (ahah! The Rocky memo)! The article does not mention the chairman of the intel committee, only Senator Rocky.

[Sacajaweau]

I think it was a baby shower in 1998. You only give baby showers for "your closest" friends or relatives.

So that's that little circle...Hillary, Mandy Grunwald and hubby Matt Cooper.

The main scope of Judith Miller's works are WMD and Iraq. That points directly to Mr. & Mrs. Wilson. Wilson's mistake was joining the Kerry campaign and probably dropping some "secrets".

To correct it, they used Cooper to make a couple of calls to get Rove and Libby "involved" prior to anything going to print.

[BARLF]

Yes, I caught that.

It is hard for me to keep the time line straight,so many different versions out there.

Did Wilson indicate he saw the fakes before going to Niger or not?

[Doctor Raoul]

Excellent!

[bitt]

'This isn't my full-time job, you know. (JK)'



well, you have over-performed, for a newbie.

[Sam Hill]

Here is something else I probably should have included in the timeline. Wilson wrote an article for The Nation, which is of course the crypto-communist magazine run by the lisping creep David Corn.

Note the date, March 3, 2003. I won't post the whole piece, but you can read it for yourself. There is plenty of criticism about Bush and the "neo-conservatives" but no mention of uranium or any suggestion that Bush misled the country ot lied. Wilson hadn't gotten around to making up that story yet.

From Wilson's site (paid for by Kerry) RestoreHonesty.Com - Take Action Now!

Republic or Empire

THE NATION

by JOSEPH WILSON
March 3, 2003

Then what's the point of this new American imperialism? The neoconservatives with a stranglehold on the foreign policy of the Republican Party, a party that traditionally eschewed foreign military adventures, want to go beyond expanding US global influence to force revolutionary change on the region. American pre-eminence in the Gulf is necessary but not sufficient for the hawks. Nothing short of conquest, occupation and imposition of handpicked leaders on a vanquished population will suffice. Iraq is the linchpin for this broader assault on the region. The new imperialists will not rest until governments that ape our worldview are implanted throughout the region, a breathtakingly ambitious undertaking, smacking of hubris in the extreme.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040210010941/www.johnkerry.com/honesty/nation.html

Think about it. If Wilson really wanted to blow Bush out of the water, all he had to do was bring up what he claims he knew about the lies about Yellowcake. Wilson didn't at this time. Because he hadn't made them up yet. And he hadn't bothered to make them up yet because he wasn't yet signed on with the Kerry team.

[Sam Hill]

Also note that this means that Wilson had some kind of contact with David Corn, who runs The Nation, way back before March 3, 2003.

[Sam Hill]

Some more information in the posts above. Plus this further confirmation of when Wilson signed on with Kerry:

Spouse of outed CIA officer signs on with Kerry - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics

"In May 2003, after his mission to Niger but before his July 6, 2003, Times op-ed piece, Mr. Wilson began working for Mr. Kerry as an unpaid adviser, offering foreign policy advice and speechwriting tips."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040214-120835-4661r.htm

[Miss Marple]

I am convinced you are right. I hope that this gets wider attention. I am pinging a few people to take a look at this, incase they haven't already read it.

I will be gone for a few hours, but will check back late this afternoon.

THOSE OF YOU WHOM I HAVE PINGED, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS THEORY BY SAM HILL, PLEASE.

[Sam Hill]

Thanks. I don't think there is any question about it being right. The timeline is what it is.

Certainly somebody should ask Wilson how it worked out this way.

Wilson, if I recall correctly, has claimed he talked to other people--like at the CIA and State--right after the State Of The Union Address, to complain.

Who were they? We need names. Otherwise, it is clearly a case of Wilson making up a story to help Kerry. Something he had never mentioned to anybody (least of all the CIA) until he was working on the Kerry team.

Wilson certainly seems capable of such a thing, since he seems to lie easily about just about anything.

[Mo1]

Wilson, if I recall correctly, has claimed he talked to other people--like at the CIA and State--right after the State Of The Union Address, to complain.

If I recall from the video clip I saw of Cooper on MTP on Sunday

He said he also had OTHER sources besides Rove

[lysie]

Great work, Sam.

There's no doubt in my mind about this.

Thanks for the ping, Jane.

[Sam Hill]

Yes, Cooper has consistently said that he had other sources. He claims to have even talked about them before the Grand Jury. But for some odd reason the media never seem to ask him about them, like who they are or when he talked to them? Was it before he talked to Rove?

But you raise a good point, that Wilson could have told somebody at this point in time who told Cooper. It is very clear that Wilson was a busy bee. He was telling people at the Nation, the NYT and the Washington Post about his "investigation."

It wouldn't surprise me if he wouldn't have worked in the fact that his wife was at CIA--to try to authenticate his tale and pump up his own credibility. After all, the NYT and WP were posting some damn serious charges--that the nation went to war based on a lie told by its President. And who the hell is Joe Wilson?

So yeah, it's highly probably that Wilson would have managed to work in the fact his wife was with the CIA, to try to give the story more authority with these reporters.

[Mo1]

Read the end of this snip ... There is more going on with Cooper and what he said to the GJ then he is willing to say in the open



http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8565312/

(snip)

MR. RUSSERT: Did Mr. Libby say at any time that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA?

MR. COOPER: No, he didn't say that.

MR. RUSSERT: But you said it to him?

MR. COOPER: I said, "Was she involved in sending him?," yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: And that she worked for the CIA?

MR. COOPER: I believe so.

MR. RUSSERT: The piece that you finally ran in Time magazine on July 17th, it says, "And some government officials have noted to Time in interviews, (as well as to syndicated columnist Robert Novak) that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. These officials have suggested that she was involved in her husband's being dispatched to Niger..."

"Some government officials"--That is Rove and Libby?

MR. COOPER: Yes, those were among the sources for that, yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: Are there more?

MR. COOPER: I don't want to get into it, but it's possible.

MR. RUSSERT: Have you told the grand jury about that?

MR. COOPER: The grand jury knows what I know, yes.

MR. RUSSERT: That there may have been more sources?

MR. COOPER: Yes.

[Mo1]

It wouldn't surprise me if he wouldn't have worked in the fact that his wife was at CIA--to try to authenticate his tale and pump up his own credibility. After all, the NYT and WP were posting some damn serious charges--that the nation went to war based on a lie told by its President. And who the hell is Joe Wilson?

Wilson in some ways reminds me of one of my brothers

He likes to pretend he's big man on campus and brag about how great he is

Wilson is like that also

IMO .. Wilson is a willing puppet for someone else though .. someone big wants to keep pushing this stuff