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Dead Boys Alive in Trunk for 17 Hours
FOXNews.com ^ | 7/19/2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/19/2005 9:34:10 AM PDT by AbeKrieger

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To: Steelerfan

If it wasn't for the sloppiness of the police, the boys would be alive.

Yes, the parents are also at fault.

But once the police show up and start searching, they kind of take over responsibility.

Example..........

Police: "We need all the parents in the next room for questioning."

Parents: "No, I am going out to search the yard for the kids."

Police: "We already searched the yard. We need you in the other room for questioning. And we need you there now."


61 posted on 07/19/2005 10:29:24 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So it's the cops' job to keep track of your children?

"Hello, 911? My daughter is missing. Can you send out the police?"

"Sorry, it's not the cops job to keep track of your children, you welfare queen."

62 posted on 07/19/2005 10:31:36 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AbeKrieger

If these children were mine, I would be so guilt ridden for having NOT thought to look in the trunk that I don't believe I could go on. It's bad enough to lose a child and it must seem completely unforgiveable to know you could have saved them but were simply too stupid to think.


63 posted on 07/19/2005 10:31:37 AM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: AbeKrieger; linkinpunk
And until cops have X-Ray vision or ESP...

As if either are needed when conducting a search of a car for missing children. What the police needed was a little common sense, resources, and dedication to the task (that is, take the time to completely search the entire car, front to back, top to bottom). If they had done that, then these children may be alive today.

On the other side of that coin, you are right, the parents are responsible for their children and could have prevented the children from accessing the trunk. If they had done so, then these children may be alive today.

So next time, perhaps the police will be a little more thorough in their job and perhaps parents will be a little more mindful of their children and their environs.

64 posted on 07/19/2005 10:32:37 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Children go missing. Who's job then is it to help find them?


65 posted on 07/19/2005 10:34:00 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: linkinpunk
"Sorry, it's not the cops job to keep track of your children, you welfare queen."

But the cops are at fault if they don't find them?

Are you a trial lawyer?

66 posted on 07/19/2005 10:35:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: new cruelty
Children go missing. Who's job then is it to help find them?

So if the cops don't find your kids, they owe you $$$$MONEY$$$$?

How convenient.

67 posted on 07/19/2005 10:36:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Read his personal page. It should answer all your questions.


68 posted on 07/19/2005 10:37:10 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You don't think it is the job of police to keep track of missing children?

If it is not their job to track missing children, why did they even show up?

They should have stayed home and told the parents that it wasn't their job.


69 posted on 07/19/2005 10:38:11 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: linkinpunk

But for the parents' negligence, they never would have been in trunk in the first place. And I can see how the police, having been told the parents had searches for hours before calling them, could jump to the conclusion the kids were no longer in the immediate area.

I am not trying to absolve the police of fault entirely here. This tragedy is big enough to share lots of blame and I have no idea why someobody did not think to pop that trunk. But I still think you have to look at the parents in the first instance and I still wonder how long they were in that trunk before anyone started looking.


70 posted on 07/19/2005 10:38:34 AM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: AbeKrieger
No, it is not the fault of the police. The mother should never have left the children alone. If one blames the police, then one can also say they parents should have looked in the car - which should not have been left unlocked.

In Chandra Levy's case, the police searchers also overlooked the body. Same for scores of other missing children, such as Polly.

71 posted on 07/19/2005 10:39:02 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: linkinpunk
You don't think it is the job of police to keep track of missing children?

And you think if they don't find them the cops owe you money?

72 posted on 07/19/2005 10:40:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: AbeKrieger

Oh no.


73 posted on 07/19/2005 10:40:21 AM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsch"....... "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: Sunshine Sister

Exactly.

While my wife would be on the phone with the cops I would be searching every crawl space, closet, vehicle (trunk and under the hood)... basically anywhere anything could fit, I would check. Then I would proceed to do the same to my neighbors homes and property.


74 posted on 07/19/2005 10:42:37 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: Lloyd227

Yup, and not being able to live with yourself if it really was your fault, you probably would look for someone to blame. I really hope that was what was driving the parents' statements.


75 posted on 07/19/2005 10:42:50 AM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: Steelerfan
Imagine you were the officer in charge and told a trained policeman to search the car.

The officer comes back and tells you the car was searched but no clues were found.

And then you find out that he did not even look in the trunk.

What would you have to say to the officer?

"Hey, don't feel bad. You gave it the ol' college try. At least the parents can't sue us. Come on... I'll buy you a dough-nut."

76 posted on 07/19/2005 10:44:36 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
No.

...if the cops don't find your kids, they learn from their mistake and improve their processes so crap like this doesn't happen again.

Stop clenching your wallet for a second. Yes, the parents are at fault for not keeping track of their children. However, it would seem that the police made a fatal error in not being thorough when initially searching the trunk of that car. So let's insist they make steps to improve on that. That said, I agree with you, (ok, now we can both start clenching our wallets) in this case, the parents should not be awarded money for something they could have prevented.

77 posted on 07/19/2005 10:44:42 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And you're a jerk that obviously doesn't know that when people go missing, we the public, are told to call the police so that they can investigate and find said people. Family members who are distraught and traumitized over their crisis usually don't think very clearly. Law enforcement are trained and expected to perform professionally and they screwed up on this one.

But I guess you are a defender of lousy police work.
78 posted on 07/19/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You said it was not the cops job to track missing children.


79 posted on 07/19/2005 10:45:27 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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This case just makes me heartsick. I can't imagine the anguish of the families and the searchers for these boys.

It's such a horrific tragedy.

I still can't figure out how the car was missed in the search by everyone.

I was thinking that maybe there should be some changes made in car trunks - sort of the way they had to pass legislation and change the way refridgerators were made when so many children suffocated in them....something like the trunk could always be automatically released by some button even overriding a "lock" so that if anyone was every trapped in a trunk they could escape.

80 posted on 07/19/2005 10:46:10 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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