Wilson later was stationed in Iraq. He recounts that on the eve of Saddam’s 1990 invasion of Kuwait he and Jacqueline dined with “Saddam’s principal arms buyer in Paris...” (Not something I would be talking about...)
Posted on 07/19/2005 10:04:42 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?
It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.
Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.
Importantly, perhaps, and inferentially corroborative of the above account is the fact that David Corn in the Nation did an article on Valerie Plame's identity evidently (& reportedly) a day after he met with Joe Wilson.
Yes
It is extremely unlikely that the reporter still in jail for contempt is protecting a member of the administration.
That leaves Joe.
I think you're quite perceptive & correct. Thanks!
Yes. Or as Jack Kelly and others have suggested (David Horowitz) Valerie Plame could have been the source of Miller's WMD stories. IF she had an agenda. Does this mean Plame herself could be a target of the GJ?Indpe, Prosecutor? One might hope as much if she was a source herself and thereofre violative of CIA's Secrecy, potentially compromising other CIA agents actually in the field, etc.
One thing that is never mentioned in all of the coverage of the fat lying sow [Joe Wilson] is the question where the fat lying sow got the money to purchase [a] ambassadorial slots in West African pestholes, [b] entre with the Arkie white trash Klintonoids and [c] Rolex watches. Inquiring minds, etc., etc.
Interesting hypothesis or question:
Follow the money?
(Was he independently rich or was Valerie or was he jsut a "frugal" professional FSO, who could afford Rolexes, fancy cars and vacations, his reportedly self-described "hot wife", etc.,
--- or was he a political appointee as Amb.?
(I, for one, don't claim to know.)
Does a bear...?
What is the connexion, if any, 'twixt purported CIA consultant "Terrance Wilkinson" and Wilson=Plame???
Yes, a Bear does that.... and the Pope used to be Polish.
Re: << Inquiring Minds Want to Know! >>:
Your question:
"What is the connexion, if any, 'twixt purported CIA consultant "Terrance Wilkinson" and Wilson=Plame???"
I defer to you: Intriguing question for which you have more info than I, my friend.
Someone else asked this question the othe day in a different form.
Please illuminate! Help us on this.
Thanks!
Brilliant humor, satire and cartoon.
Mega-kudos & Thanks!
I loved the part also about "later", "Paris," and "dining with Saddam's principal arms buyer."
P.S. Thans for the LINK:
Wilson later was stationed in Iraq. He recounts that on the eve of Saddam’s 1990 invasion of Kuwait he and Jacqueline dined with “Saddam’s principal arms buyer in Paris...” (Not something I would be talking about...)
and for the: "Its like we totally made it up; We're cartoon Characters"
I am waiting for Wilson to confess..the only thing of interest he could possibly say in my opinion.
Plame-gate Media Ping!
CIA-Liberal Media Ping, Heads up!
I presume you & I are correct: Re:
"How much longer are the DUmmies going to drag this dog-and-pony show to the press?"
"Don't they realize, that they are setting themselves for ANOTHER huge humiliation, like Rathergate?
Well put!
Don't they realize, that they are setting themselves for ANOTHER huge humiliation, like Rathergate?
It must be ending soon. Bush is too happy, and he's nailing the press and the democrats as if he wants them to go ballistic so when the big bomb drops they're HISTORY!
One could fantasize about a "Perry Mason" moment-of-truth or Courtroom Confession as you so humorously (& irionically) suggest:
"I am waiting for Wilson to confess..the only thing of interest he could possibly say in my opinion."
Agreed.
Thanks for the great picvure break featuring Joe Wilson as a
literary embellisher, or Diplomat Speak for "Liar," as you say.
P.S. I like your profound tag-line:
"If you want peace, prepare for war."
Whats the part about God in your quote?: "For the deeds of (Or will of?) God are written." Who first said these things? (I forget.)
Dittos to your tag-line:
"God Bless Our Troops!"
Dittos to your tag-line's grim & prophetic warning:
("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
The first article to *name* Valerie Plame was not Novak's, but David Corn's...and Corn attributed his sole source in his article as being Joe Wilson.
So we've known that Wilson leaked his wife's name since 2003, from the 2nd story ever written on the subject.
Old news.
It was Joe Wilson! It was ALL Joe Wilson!
It was a dark time in America! George W wanted to start a war that would oust a dictator who worked with Al Qaeda, thus cementing his reputation as a liberator. The DUmmies wept! The Democrats in congress trembled! Bush quoted British intel! Kerry supporter Valerie Plame had an idea and sent future Kerry advisor hubby to investigate something other than what Bush said. Hubby found nothing that pertained to what Bush said! DUmmies continued to weep, but tears of joy! The NYT was ecstatic! Karl Rove was accussed! Alas, they all went off to celebrate in a hippie bus, and Ted Kennedy took the wheel! THE END!
The thought that Wilson somehow planted the information has been on my mind for quite some time.
Re: "Old News" (Sarcasm?)
Oh yeah, Did you also know that Plame herslf may be a Grand Jury Target in the CIA leak probe?
Yes, you are correct that David Corn of the Nation reportedly met with Joe Wilson a day beofre he released Plame's ame as a CIA "agent", as my last sentence alludes to, as follows:
"Importantly, perhaps, and inferentially corroborative of the above account is the fact that David Corn in the Nation did an article on Valerie Plame's identity evidently (& reportedly) a day after he met with Joe Wilson."
Moreover, Cliff May, was perhaps the first one to write about this connection and he and othrs are, I might guess, (maybe I know something you don't?), seeking inferentially corroborating accounts like mine.
It may be "Old News" to aomeone as informed as you, but the mainstream media (MSM) are studiously ignoring it, as expected.
You must be one of the Pod People?
I think it does leave a liberal democrat source at risk of some kind.
If it were a Republican and the source said go ahead and tell all, they would spill the beans instantly IMO.
I think she is mostly in jail right now to make hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions down the line with lectures and books. Wait and see...
She'll attempt to be the darling of the free press at all the liberal functions for money.
It's about potential money for her.
RE: Your comment:
"The thought that Wilson somehow planted the information has been on my mind for quite some time."
Your intuition is borne out by at least two accounts of Wilson-as-blabbermouth re: His wife's CIA status, Corn's (left) and Hanson's (not-left).
Intersting hypothesis of yours.
Getting jailed for freedom of the Press makes her bankable for lectures, speeches, books and as an expert for going to jail over this.
It is a great career move.
She will end up a millionaire at least twice over from this.
I love your creative writing though, which is quite good and would be funny if it only WERE funny.
I was, in contrast, using two historical sources, one, David Corn, a leftist writer for the Nation, a left-wing political magazine, and an eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson's account of this first-hand encounter with Wilson.
So, getting an apparent leftist(?) like you to actually read is evidently a stretch.
I also used modifiers like "A Source" not "The Source" as you sarcastically imply when saying "It ALL goes back to Wilson.."
I too wish that were true, especially the last bit with Teddy driving the hippy bus! SPLASH!
You are corect taht she can become & is a "cause cleb" and may be quie "bankable."
However, I do not presume to fathom her real motives. Maybe it is to protect Valerie Plame as her WMD series "Source" (?) as my friend Daviod Horowitz and columnist Jack Kelly have suggested.
That is an even more interesting & momentous hypothesis.
If my wife was a covert CIA operative, and if I truly loved her and my country, I certainly wouldn't draw attention to her by drawing attention to myself by entering into a sophomoric public pissing match with the President.
Fair enough & I hereby ABJECTLY apologize for mistinteprreting your truly humorous comments.
Corn & VDH tend to corroooborate a picture of Wilson as a vain, probably insecure, self-promoting egomaniac.
You ARE funny!
You are NOT a Leftist, as I hastily & INCORRECTLY inferred.
Sorry!!!
--- & Thanks for the clarification, my friend.
(It is late; I should goto bed!)
Thanks for your incisive comment(!):
"If my wife was a covert CIA operative, and if I truly loved her and my country, I certainly wouldn't draw attention to her by drawing attention to myself by entering into a sophomoric public pissing match with the President."
Shows you how much caffeine I have in my I didn't even think you DID take them seriously.
Goodnight. I will go and cry over you're even SUSPECTING I was a lefty troll. Weeeep.... ;)
;^)
Peace & Sleep well the sleep of the Right-eous, buddy.
And how about a $700,000 house.
I sense, intuitively, that you think Palme ahas mercenary motives.
Actually, you communicated this plausible fact ($$$$$$$ as a motive for Ms. Judith Miller) very well & I commend you for it.
I just don't know for sure. But she should likely be able to captalize on her jail time.
Her motives may be pure in her own mind, but the outcome will be probably complcated. There might be unintended consequences. (Safe bet; there almost always are in a world where evil exists.) And $$$$$ will be part of the result.
They bought that house in 1998; before his book; and I'd like to know how two career insiders did that.
Red
Dog & Pony Show
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