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Attorney: Fired Allstate Employee's Trial Carries Implications for Religious Freedom
Agape Press ^ | July 19, 2005 | Jim Brown

Posted on 07/20/2005 7:57:26 AM PDT by Woodland

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1 posted on 07/20/2005 7:57:27 AM PDT by Woodland
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To: Woodland

Employers should be able to hire and fire anyone for any reason or no reason at all.

But, no. Property rights have gone the way of the dinosaurs.


2 posted on 07/20/2005 8:00:31 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Woodland

The PC Nazis are at it again. What about that First amendment the libs are so fond of spouting about? Does it only apply to them?


3 posted on 07/20/2005 8:01:49 AM PDT by Barb4Bush
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To: Woodland

"Here you have a company, in the name of tolerance, exercising an extreme degree of intolerance."

Typical Liberal Newspeak. Taking away freedoms in the name of freedom. Never Allstate for anything.

Blessings, Bobo


4 posted on 07/20/2005 8:04:57 AM PDT by bobo1
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To: newgeezer

"Employers should be able to hire and fire anyone for any reason or no reason at all."

Can an employer fire someone for the reason that they will not have a sexual fling with the boss? How about someone who is Chinese, and the new boss hates Chinese? What if an employee will not come to your house and clean out your gutters? You DID say any reason?


5 posted on 07/20/2005 8:07:11 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: newgeezer
For what the employee does on the job, perhaps. But not for what the employee does from his personal home computer while at home during his free time.

Are you ready for your employer to fire you because he/she doesn't like what you watch on TV at home in the evening? I know it sounds far-fetched, but that's where big brother and extreme PC are headed.

6 posted on 07/20/2005 8:10:20 AM PDT by Prov3456
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If the employee wrote something that draws attention to the company in anyway, they have the right to fire him. Also, if the company has a pre-stated policy regarding writing/publishing, or even moonlighting policies, then they may have fired the employee justly. However, if the employee writes an article and therein he is unidentifiable as a company employee, then the company should leave him alone.


7 posted on 07/20/2005 8:11:17 AM PDT by citizenK (petit tyranny is still tyranny)
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To: newgeezer
Employers should be able to hire and fire anyone for any reason or no reason at all.

Ahem, I don' think so! If I'm sitting in a bar ON MY OWN TIME and my boss does not drink you're saying that gives him the right to fire me? I DON'T THINK SO.

8 posted on 07/20/2005 8:13:48 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (What do you like best about your life?)
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Ahem, I don' think so! If I'm sitting in a bar ON MY OWN TIME and my boss does not drink you're saying that gives him the right to fire me? I DON'T THINK SO.

It's not your job. It belongs to your boss. He can fill that job with anyone he damn well pleases. It's his money to spend. If he doesn't like the way you [fill in the blank], he can kick you off of his property and bring in someone more to his liking.

9 posted on 07/20/2005 8:20:49 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: newgeezer

You have not answered my questions?


10 posted on 07/20/2005 8:23:00 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rockabyebaby
I believe it depends if the state is "Employment at Will". If so, an employer has very broad rights to fire an employee. This has been chipped away by EEOC and other groups over the last few decades.
11 posted on 07/20/2005 8:24:23 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: newgeezer

Allstate is pro-homosexual and anti-Christian.

http://afa.net/allstate05.asp

The firing of Mr. Barber is in keeping with Allstate's promotion of the homosexual agenda including homosexual marriage. A few examples:

· Gave $10,000 to the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), a homosexual organization which promotes homosexual marriage.

· Supports homosexual websites with advertising dollars.

· Gave $5,000 to the Indiana University office of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Student Support Services.

· Gave $15,000 to the Gay & Lesbian Center in Los Angeles.-


12 posted on 07/20/2005 8:28:52 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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You DID say any reason?

Yes, I did.

It's not your job. Surely there are other and better ways of dealing with unreasonable employers. Government's legislating and regulating how and when and on whom a capitalist can spend his capital cannot possibly be the best answer.

13 posted on 07/20/2005 8:29:10 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: newgeezer
I agree. Employers should be able to fire any employee for any reason - or none at all.

OTOH, since this is not the case here anymore in the U.S. of A., turnabout is fair play.
14 posted on 07/20/2005 8:37:35 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: newgeezer

"Government's legislating and regulating how and when and on whom a capitalist can spend his capital cannot possibly be the best answer."

The reason why the government has done just this is because employers have in the past, fired people for the reasons I wrote about earlier. The government has had to step in and protect the worker because the employer had the power, money, and resources; and the employee had none of these. And sadly it is still going on even today, as we see in the posted article above.


15 posted on 07/20/2005 8:39:37 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

More on the story about Matt Barber, the former Allstate employee who was fired for writing an article supporting marriage (aka as "anti gay marriage") not during work time, nor as a representative of his company.

Implications abound.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

Note: In our brave new world, "tolerance" means "intolerance" of conservative, moral, or religious values. "Inclusion" means immorality must be shoved down everyone's throat regardless of religious affiliation.


16 posted on 07/20/2005 8:42:48 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: rawhide
The government has had to step in and protect the worker because...

... because politicians are all too happy to step in and fix whatever ails the voters, rather than acknowledge the fact that it's not the government's role.

Rather than turning to Uncle Sam for help, workers could, for instance, pool their measly resources to form a coalition and expose and put pressure on a-hole employers such as those you mentioned.

But, that would require some real effort, and politicians are all too happy to do whatever it takes to make the people like them. After all, we elected them to help us.

17 posted on 07/20/2005 8:46:55 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Allstate's new slogan, "Allstate has its good hands in you."


18 posted on 07/20/2005 8:47:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: newgeezer

Fine. If you see yourself as your employer's property.


19 posted on 07/20/2005 8:50:20 AM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: newgeezer
Employers should be able to hire and fire anyone for any reason or no reason at all.

Really? You want to live in a Country where your boss can fire you because you won't go on a date with him? Or your anti-semetic Supervisor axes you for wearing a Star of David around your neck. Or your gay boss fires you for having a Jesus fish on your car? How about the guy in the cubicle next to you just doesn't like the way you laugh. Don't you want to retract that ridiculous statement?

20 posted on 07/20/2005 8:51:59 AM PDT by Hildy ("You miss 100% of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky)
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