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House, Senate OK Daylight-Saving Extension
AP ^ | 7/21/5

Posted on 07/21/2005 7:50:19 PM PDT by SmithL

WASHINGTON -- An agreement was reached Thursday to extend daylight-saving time in an effort to conserve energy, but not to the extent the House approved in April.

House and Senate negotiators on an energy bill agreed to begin daylight-saving time three weeks earlier, on the second Sunday in March, and extend it by one week to the first Sunday in November. The House bill would have added a month in the spring and another in the fall.

According to some senators, farmers complained that a two-month extension could adversely affect livestock, and airline officials said it would have complicated scheduling of international flights.

"We ought to take a hard look at this before we jump into it," said Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, who questioned how much oil savings the extension would produce.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; daylightsavingtime; dst; energybill; isawthelight
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1 posted on 07/21/2005 7:50:19 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

aren't the current dates programmed into every VCR and computers that self adjust the time?


2 posted on 07/21/2005 7:51:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: SmithL
a two-month extension could adversely affect livestock,

reminds me of that line from O Brother Where Art Thou: "Oh, George, not the livestock!"

3 posted on 07/21/2005 7:51:57 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: SmithL

Morons ...


4 posted on 07/21/2005 7:52:40 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: SmithL

For my money, here in Missouri we would welcome extra daylight in the evening year round.


5 posted on 07/21/2005 7:52:41 PM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: SmithL

An earlier report mentioned something that had not ocurred to me before. That the real complication with changing daylight savings is co-ordinating it with Canada.


6 posted on 07/21/2005 7:53:01 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: oceanview
aren't the current dates programmed into every VCR and computers that self adjust the time?

Yes.

Hey, I've got an idea! Why not just make it illegal for the sun to set? That should save a whole lot of energy, especially when coupled with the new extended DST.

7 posted on 07/21/2005 7:55:25 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: oceanview
Program all your VCRs in the home to tape the news tonight, there will be a special tone played that will reprogram your machines.

Of course it's true... check with hoaxbusters or ask anyone at DU!

8 posted on 07/21/2005 7:55:52 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: SmithL

Everyday I thank God that I live in a state that doesn't fool with this moronic idea. Yeah, the Navajos observe daylight savings time but they only do it to antagonize the white man.


9 posted on 07/21/2005 7:55:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: SmithL

Here's an idea: ABOLISH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Useless in today's world.


10 posted on 07/21/2005 7:56:49 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Revolution is now the only option)
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To: hoagy62
Good point. My cellphone keeps adjusting it's time to meet whatever the local standard is and I don't have to think about it at all.

And there's certainly no problem in adjusting railroad schedules anymore.

11 posted on 07/21/2005 7:58:43 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: SmithL

Winter - Ahead, Fall - Back, just doesn't cut it.


12 posted on 07/21/2005 7:59:11 PM PDT by black_diamond
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To: hoagy62
I have a better idea. Change work hours from 10:00 am to 2:30 pm for three months, ...but leave the stipulation that everyone must leave their light off from 7:00 am to 7:00 pm. Since we'll all be sleeping later, it couldn't matter.
Who needs Congress?
13 posted on 07/21/2005 8:00:14 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: SmithL

I like it for the spring. It is tough getting our Little League practices in, after I get home from work, and before it gets dark, here on the 43rd parallel. Not a problem after the time switches tho.


14 posted on 07/21/2005 8:00:34 PM PDT by Pappy Smear
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To: SmithL

We should move daylight savings ahead by 12 hours. That would REALLY save a lot of energy.


15 posted on 07/21/2005 8:01:56 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: SmithL

Yippie, it's 1973 again, where did I put that DeFranco Family record? B-) I remember then Congress did the same thing and a lot of parents complained about sending the kids to school in the dark. I was in 1st grade then and we had to use flashlights to go to the bus stop. It was fun playing "German Spotlight" and "Star Trek phaser" though. B-)


16 posted on 07/21/2005 8:02:08 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - CAFTA delenda est!)
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To: hoagy62
Here's an idea: ABOLISH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree.
17 posted on 07/21/2005 8:03:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - CAFTA delenda est!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

>>>a two-month extension could adversely affect livestock<<<

I must be dense, I still can't figure out how the Livestock will ever know.

As it is I have half of my time pieces an hour off at any given time of the year, I've never been much of a Clock Watcher


18 posted on 07/21/2005 8:04:30 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: hoagy62
Useless in today's world.

Not where I live, friend. Without DST, the sky would begin brightening at 3:30am and we'd have full daylight by 4:15am from about early May through late July. Sorry, but I get little enough sleep as it is. In December and January, the sun wouldn't rise until after 8:00am, resulting (as it did last time this was tried) in more rush-hour auto accidents. Thanks, but no thanks.

19 posted on 07/21/2005 8:04:48 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: SmithL

Idiots.

It won't save energy, any more than you can cool your kitchen by leaving the fridge door open (think about it).


20 posted on 07/21/2005 8:09:29 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberalism is wrong, it's just the Liberals don't know it yet.)
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To: oceanview

And every industrial and manufacturing computers that run manufacturing machines. This is going to be worse than Y2K.


21 posted on 07/21/2005 8:10:01 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: SmithL
When DST's beginning was moved from the last Sunday in April to the First Sunday churches took the biggest hit, since that Sunday often coincides with Palm Sunday or Easter. Folks who forget to "spring forward" are an hour late to services.

The earliest that western Easter can ever fall is March 22; thus the earliest that western Palm Sunday can ever fall is March 15, which would be the third Sunday of March. Having DST begin on the second Sunday of March would end the Palm Sunday/Easter Sunday time change conflict.

I'm not as impressed with keeping it through the first Sunday in November.
22 posted on 07/21/2005 8:12:29 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: SmithL
They keep this up and we'll have 35 hour days and no nights!
23 posted on 07/21/2005 8:16:18 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: sonofatpatcher2
They keep this up and we'll have 35 hour days and no nights!

Well, you'll get used to it... Or have a psychotic incident...

Mark

24 posted on 07/21/2005 8:20:26 PM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: SmithL

Don't these people believe in glodal warming? The more sun they give us the hotter it gets. In that line of thinking if they reversed DST it would reduce global warming.

I guess they can't see that. These people are sooo stupid.


25 posted on 07/21/2005 8:22:29 PM PDT by Mr Cobol (I can hear it now, Hi, I'm Hillary and I'm here to help.)
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To: Indy Pendance
And every industrial and manufacturing computers that run manufacturing machines. This is going to be worse than Y2K.

Well, on Novell servers, it's not a big deal at all. First off, the actual clocks run on UTC, and the "local time" is really just a cosmetic thing. Plus, DST is defined as an environment variable, and it's trivial to change.

I don't know about Windows, though...

Mark

26 posted on 07/21/2005 8:23:00 PM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: SmithL

If Daylight Saving Time lasts for 7 1/2 months, and normal time lasts 4 1/2 months, then shouldn't we change normal time to DST? Then we could have 4 1/2 months of Daylight Wasting Time...

Or, in Arizona, live like the Lord intended year round.


27 posted on 07/21/2005 8:25:33 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: TexasTransplant
I must be dense, I still can't figure out how the Livestock will ever know.

ROFL..only thing that came to my mind was that milking time would be different. But doesn't that change anyway. What would a week or two do different? Are we SURE this isn't from The Onion?

28 posted on 07/21/2005 8:27:26 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: MarkL

My hubby is using linux, c++, or whatever their latest coding is, and he said it's going to be a huge kernel problem just to fix everything on all their machines. He works with time sensitive, real time data. On all the bulletin boards he frequents, many are expressing headaches.


29 posted on 07/21/2005 8:29:22 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: phil1750

agree. make it year round.


30 posted on 07/21/2005 8:29:39 PM PDT by altura
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To: SmithL
"The beauty of daylight-saving time is that it just makes everyone feel sunnier," said Markey.

Dear senator Edward Markey (du-mASS): f_ck you.
</sunniness>

31 posted on 07/21/2005 8:34:30 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: Indy Pendance
On all the bulletin boards he frequents, many are expressing headaches.

Absolutely. Not to mention embedded systems, where the code is in the chip.

I'll repeat my initial comment regarding the Congress on this issue: MORONS!

32 posted on 07/21/2005 8:44:51 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: skip_intro

" the code is in the chip."

He was talking about this the other day, it won't be a case of writing a little macro an attaching it to the programs, manufacturing machines will have to be refitted, servers will have to be reworked, etc. I wonder who in the industry gave to this pac? We're not talking your home pc here, or even a small office or business, this is industrial strength stuff that will be effected.


33 posted on 07/21/2005 8:50:20 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
This is going to be worse than Y2K.

And we all know how terrible that was.

34 posted on 07/21/2005 8:58:30 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Indy Pendance
Congress=637 FOOLS as members.
35 posted on 07/21/2005 9:07:50 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: SmithL

Some of you might remember that back in the early 70's we went year round daylight savings time.

I loved it! During the January goose season, I didn't have to be on the river hunting until 8:00 a.m. and there was still enough daylight after school to go for an evening hunt. Needless to say, the freezer was full.

I miss those days.


36 posted on 07/21/2005 9:10:34 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: MarkL
I believe that in windows, the system clock is PST. Unix uses UTC for the system clock unless you tell the system not to. What really sucks is that you have a lot of systems out there already programmed to report the correct system time to the user based on today's "daylight savings" dates. These programs will have to be changed. This is a waste of time, money and effort for very little gain.

More and more I think that congress exists as an institution so we know where to find all the lunatics in one place.

37 posted on 07/21/2005 9:25:45 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: Indy Pendance
Unless the systems he's using have a particular reason to make use of local time, the clocks on Linux systems running control processes and whatnot should be using UTC. IMO, any production system should use UTC. It'll be a pain to change the programs that deal with user-space time, but it shouldn't be that bad for most production applications.
38 posted on 07/21/2005 9:29:34 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: sonofatpatcher2
They keep this up and we'll have 35 hour days and no nights!

Sone of us have days that last for months. You'll get used to it.

39 posted on 07/21/2005 9:31:23 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: black_diamond

Funny . . .


40 posted on 07/21/2005 9:33:22 PM PDT by Augie76 ( . . . long-time lurker . . .)
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To: oceanview

yup , here they go "monkeying" with things that are OK!! YIKES, what's next, disabling a cylinder on ALL vehicles?!!??


41 posted on 07/21/2005 9:37:16 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: zeugma

They have so much specialized stuff, custom programs they've wrote to fit the processors, etc. I don't know the details, I just know he said it's going to be a huge PITA if this is passed. I just skim the edge of this stuff. I'm an engineer, but programming and EE are not my fields.


42 posted on 07/21/2005 9:40:22 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: SmithL

I thought there was a war on terror going on. Sometimes I wonder how they can think when they are sitting down. Maybe this is the type of drivel that oozes up as they sit.


43 posted on 07/21/2005 9:41:18 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: SmithL

How could it adversely affect livestock? This city boy doesn't get it.


44 posted on 07/21/2005 9:41:44 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Indy Pendance
Sounds like unfun suckage to me. Perhaps this would be a good time to look at taking localtime out of the equation. That way, if the morons in congress change their mind again, you don't have to do this all over again.

Like I said earlier though, I'm suprised that any real-time control processes even care about local time, especially since all time on Unix is calculated as offsets from EPOCH (Midnight, Jan 1, 1970). For instance Epoch time at 00:05:53 CDT on 05.22.2005 is 1122008753

45 posted on 07/21/2005 10:07:55 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: SmithL

Everyone needs to tell Bush to veto this. Computers, VCRs, Wrist Watches And who knows what else will be all but junk.


46 posted on 07/21/2005 10:08:00 PM PDT by Revel
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To: SmithL
farmers complained that a two-month extension could adversely affect livestock

Livestock can tell time?

47 posted on 07/21/2005 10:10:48 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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48 posted on 07/21/2005 10:12:08 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: SmithL

Just get rid of the idiocy!


49 posted on 07/21/2005 10:14:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: zeugma

They can't it's time sensitive work. It's really dependant upon time. The stuff they do has to be done within a specified period.


50 posted on 07/21/2005 10:31:15 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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