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House, Senate OK Daylight-Saving Extension
AP ^ | 7/21/5

Posted on 07/21/2005 7:50:19 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: SoothingDave

My husband does this for a living. The chips and things they get have built in features. One of the biggest troubles they had was finding parts to have an actual real time process. Not a lag time of a couple seconds. They eventually developed one, but much of their stuff is in the kernel. Anyway, from what he's said, it's going to be a huge issue for his work. They are not happy about this at all. I'm far from an expert, I understand the surface of it, but it's not my field of engineering.

One thing though about November, won't kids be going off to school in the morning at dark? Around here, it's still darkish around 7:30, leaving that for another month will push it to 7:45-8:00.


81 posted on 07/22/2005 8:41:57 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Erik Latranyi

"If you milk or feed the livestock at 6am, it does affect them because they are still sleeping. Changing the start of the day to darkness can have an adverse affect on milk production, egg production and growth due to a disruption of sleep patterns."



So you don't milk or feed them at 6:00 a.m., you milk or feed them at sunrise. Problem solved. And farmers have to deal with the "problem" of the sun rising and setting at different times anyhow, since, assuming that there is no DST, it rises earlier in the summer than in the winter. Farmers just have to fix their schedules around sunrise and sunset, regardless of what time their watch says it is.


82 posted on 07/22/2005 8:44:38 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Anyway, from what he's said, it's going to be a huge issue for his work. They are not happy about this at all. I'm far from an expert, I understand the surface of it, but it's not my field of engineering.

I'm not sure what he's doing, I can only speak to my experience. The production machines I'm familiar with don't care if it's 2 AM or 2 PM. They are just stamping out car parts or baking potato chips. Monitoring of production is another issue.

One thing though about November, won't kids be going off to school in the morning at dark?

It's only a one week change, from "last in October" to "first in November." It's not going to be all that much different. It's the March change that may be more different. That's three weeks earlier.

SD

83 posted on 07/22/2005 8:47:23 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

He works for a huge magazine printer, many weekly publications. They have to have a time, it's all coded into shipping, etc. I don't know all the details, but, it has to be real time. I, like you, worked in the auto industry, time wasn't an issue, we just made parts.

I heard the time was going to be the last week of November and the first week of March. But, it would help to reread the article. LOL!


84 posted on 07/22/2005 8:56:56 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I heard the time was going to be the last week of November and the first week of March.

That was the original House plan, but they made it less drastic. The "let's change the clocks on Thanksgiving weekend and really screw up the travel industry" was a non-starter.

SD

85 posted on 07/22/2005 9:13:53 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: TexasTransplant
I still can't figure out how the Livestock will ever know.

Cow watches.

Take a licking and keep on ticking.

86 posted on 07/22/2005 9:21:17 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: jocko12
Congress=637 FOOLS as members.

Huh!?!

87 posted on 07/22/2005 9:38:16 AM PDT by usapatriot28
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To: ArmstedFragg

LOL
Clock Watching Cows with Cow Watches
(to think Dick Tracy's watch used to impress me)


88 posted on 07/22/2005 10:05:41 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: oceanview

Most modern VCSs get the date/time from a signal off of the cable line. If they're hooked up to a cable line...


89 posted on 07/22/2005 10:07:22 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Indy Pendance
They can't it's time sensitive work. It's really dependant upon time. The stuff they do has to be done within a specified period.

I'll take your word for it. :-) Just sounds weird to me.

90 posted on 07/22/2005 11:37:31 AM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: zeugma

See 84.


91 posted on 07/22/2005 11:58:24 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I think I have it now. It has to do with shipping, so they have to sync up to local time. Sounds like a pain in the rear.:-)

I'd still be willing to bet that if they are using RT-Linux, the systems are running off UTC time, and the conversions are being done to localtime through other software, which may be kernel-space programs. There is already code in the kernel for dealing with standard and daylight times, though, so the change shouldn't be too horrid. That doesn't mean you don't have to do extensive testing to verify the change though.

92 posted on 07/22/2005 1:22:59 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: Torie

Many or most farmers now hold second jobs to keep their families afloat. I think that this would make it harder for them to milk cows in lighting conditions the cows prefer and get to work on time.


93 posted on 07/22/2005 3:27:48 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: leftcoaster
Of course the farmer could keep his milking schedule the same irrespective of the the time change (e.g., 6AM on ST and 5AM on DT), but that messes up HIS schedule relative to meetings, appointments, repair shop hours, and other human-related activities that are changed with the local time change.

Well, tell ya what.....Up here in Washington State, I dread the coming of Standard Time in the Fall.

It starts to drizzle non-stop for six months, you drive to work in the dark and you drive home after work in the dark. They call the mass depression that sets in Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD).

Forget about flouride. When Standard Time comes around, we need Prozac in the Washington State drinking water.

How about this: Let's set the clocks to maximize daylight after I get off work from October through March and the dairy farmers can suck it up in order to cater to MY schedule.

94 posted on 07/24/2005 7:24:11 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: oceanview
aren't the current dates programmed into every VCR and computers that self adjust the time?

Yes.

It'll cost billions to affect this change.

95 posted on 07/28/2005 11:35:34 PM PDT by lainie
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To: leftcoaster
FWIW the clock portion of my VCR has a DST on/off function. When the time change's change takes effect, I'll just deprogram the automatic DST changeover function.

ff

96 posted on 08/08/2005 5:41:54 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: pax_et_bonum
Livestock can tell time?

Yes. And they don't like the sun going down later in the day. It screws up their schedules.

97 posted on 08/08/2005 4:53:24 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: oceanview

Tivo users won't be inconvenienced! ;-)


98 posted on 08/08/2005 4:54:31 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: SmithL

To: BenLurkin

The following was written to my State Rep {in Nebraska}...
The "wise folks" in DC have told use that 4 More Weeks of DST will save $$$.

Who's Money {Corporate, Home Owner, Renter}? Which Climate Zone {Gulf Coast, Alaska, ours}?

When DST started, less than 20% of Omaha homes or apartments had AC. A much smaller Metro Omaha supported 10 "Drive In" Movie Screens; now it supports ONE {it's in Iowa}.

In "post DST Omaha", Charities {like the Salvation Army} must BEG for FANS. These Fans are to be given to the working poor & those who Can't Work. For the "working poor", their bedrooms need artificial cooling to compensate for the delayed Sunset.

DST doesn't help average folks. It adds 1 of the hottest hours of any July Day to their Home AC Bill.

When Ben Franklin originated the Idea; it was to save on Candles & Whale Oil. Cooling was NOT part of the Equazition!

In 2007, 4 weeks of Autumn or Early Spring will be added to DST. That's 4 more weeks of dark & dangerous Mornings for "bus riders" {School or Mass Transit}.

If I had your Position; I'd offer a Bill to Remove the "Central Time Zone Portion of Nebraska " from DST.

For the "DST Months", our whole State would be on the Same Clock.

For the "DST Months", the Iowa & Nebraska Bars would close at the same TIME! 1 AM CT =2 AM DCT.

DST isn't an Idea that helps "the working poor"..


99 posted on 08/23/2005 7:02:01 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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