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Change foreign policy - top Muslims
Evening Standard ^ | 07/22/05 | Evening Standard

Posted on 07/22/2005 8:37:07 AM PDT by Pikamax

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To: Pikamax

I guess they weren't around for all the IRA bombings in the past. Didn't work then and it won't work now.


41 posted on 07/22/2005 9:01:02 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: NetValue

Perhaps all of them should be deported and sent back to whatever black hole they came from. I haven't the foggiest how to separate the good from the bad, or even if we should bother. But we should do something, and quick.


42 posted on 07/22/2005 9:02:01 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub.)
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To: siunevada
I guess they weren't around for all the IRA bombings in the past. Didn't work then and it won't work now.

Doubt it - the IRA bombers were dreaded WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES.

Since they weren't a race, ethnicity, or religion that has been 'historically victimized' by 'Western imperialism', the PC police never rallied to their defense to give them the pass they're now giving to the Muslim murderers.

43 posted on 07/22/2005 9:07:51 AM PDT by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: Pikamax

Deport, detain, and if necessary, defenestrate. Maybe from the Tower of London..


44 posted on 07/22/2005 9:08:34 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Pikamax
Yes, I agree, the Brits need to change their foreign and domestic policies.

Domestic Policy: All Muslims have one week to settle their affairs and report to a port of embarkation for transport to Syria.

Foreign Policy: Shoot on sight for any Moslems.

45 posted on 07/22/2005 9:13:07 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (BOHICA!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
How are we supposed to tell the radical muslims from the moderate ones if they all use the same talking points?

Sounds like the Democrats and for good reason. They are all working from the same playbook with the Muslims as the designated hit men.

None, the Democrats and other leftists nor the Muslims, believe in the political process as we know it. They can't win in the arena of ideas so they resort to sterner measures of intimidation.

We are in a fight for ours lives and freedom, including against the Democrats, and we had better snap to that fact. This is no longer bean bag, this is life or death. It is time to stand up, heart me Republicans, and let their threats and intimidation meet a stern rebuke. We must carry on as men of honor with the strength and willingness to follow OUR principles, not theirs.

46 posted on 07/22/2005 9:14:33 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Pikamax
"we need to look at ways of addressing the underlying factors that created it."

FOUND IT! It's called Islam.

47 posted on 07/22/2005 9:18:59 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Pikamax
Senior Muslims have warned the Government that it needed to revise British foreign policy if it wants to put an end to the violence.

They should be arrested for extortion, or aiding and abetting extortion.

48 posted on 07/22/2005 9:20:46 AM PDT by kesg
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To: Pikamax
Change foreign policy - top Muslims 22 July 2005

Eat pig s**t and die - top Freepers 22 July

49 posted on 07/22/2005 9:22:02 AM PDT by katana
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To: Pikamax

There needs to some foreign policy changes alright - closing the borders to muslims, expulsion of ALL foreign muslims, and detention of muslim citizens who incite or excuse muslim violence.

Once again, I urge all westerners to shun all muslims. Don't shop in their businesses, don't speak to them or reply when they speak to you. When you see one in public, cross the road to avoid getting near one. If one sits near you, move away. Spit when you pass a mosque. Let them know in every possible way that you despise them - that they are rabid dogs. When they complain, tell them if they don't like it, get the hell back to wherever they came from, and take ken livingstone with them.

And tell our politicians to start speaking to these goons like a freedom fighter would speak to a fascist. These scumbags have been "in our face" way too long - we need to get "in their face" in a big, bad way.


50 posted on 07/22/2005 9:26:55 AM PDT by Mister Da (Nuke 'em til they glow!)
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To: Pikamax

and where is it written the greatest powers in the world should listen to some of the least???


51 posted on 07/22/2005 9:28:32 AM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Face it. There is no difference.


52 posted on 07/22/2005 9:29:36 AM PDT by Old Seadog ("The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -- WINST)
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To: bassmaner
the PC police never rallied to their defense to give them the pass they're now giving to the Muslim murderers.

This writer would tend to disagree:
McCartney

When I first left Northern Ireland and came to England, I found the Left-wing salon apologists for the IRA every bit as creepy and wrong as I did the far-Right, racist nuts who venerated the loyalist paramilitaries. I encountered more of the IRA apologists, however, because they were more prone to conceive of themselves as daring, radical intellectuals, and put themselves about in polite society.

I thought then, and still think now, that any glib justification of paramilitary activity showed a shocking lack of human imagination: just a brief look through Lost Lives, a compendium of all those who died in the Troubles, is enough to suggest the weight of pain which the IRA and the loyalist paramilitaries inflicted upon people vastly more admirable than themselves.

53 posted on 07/22/2005 9:32:13 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: Pikamax

I cannot believe that the country that withstood the terrorism of the Luftwaffe will fall to the terrorism of backward savages.


54 posted on 07/22/2005 9:42:52 AM PDT by FierceKulak
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To: Pikamax; JulieRNR21; Jeff Head; JohnHuang2; Squantos; Dubya; Alamo-Girl; swilhelm73; sarasota; ...

I was in London on July 7 and, needless to say, the coverage was universal and 24/7. On the news, it took no time at all for the Muslim “leaders” to begin to appear for interviews. To a person, the response was the rote condemnations in generalities immediately followed by a) questioning that it was even done by Muslims, b) attributing the acts not to the bombers but to the west’s failure to address the “underlying root causes” leading to the disaffection and disenfranchisement of the Muslim community as a whole, and c) braying in unison about the inevitable attacks on the Muslim community that were sure to follow. Indeed, I heard one “leader” actually make the statement that “the real victims here are the Muslim community”.

Let me interject that it was my observation that the Muslim non-“leaders” were far different. The Muslim men and women who were seen commenting in on-the-street interviews on television and in letters to the editors in the days following were direct and vehement in their condemnation of the acts and the perpetrators. And days later I happened past a makeshift memorial near the Edgeware station and the condemnations were equally direct and pointed. It was the professional “leaders” that sought to turn the barbarism into an opportunity for their own self-aggrandizement. At best.

In reaction, I have to state the following: We are under NO obligation whatsoever to address these so-called root causes in lieu of actively combating terrorism. There is no underlying cause and no underlying issue that legitimately leads to or justifies the barbarism. To those that cite this, I say: I won’t say I don’t care if you are disenfranchised, disaffected, disillusioned, disheartened, or dis-anything else. I actually do to an extent. But the idea that I need to fix it for you is not only stupid but demeaning to you. And the idea that if I don’t fix it for you, you will kill me is...well, let’s just call it counterproductive.

One other point: If these “underlying causes” in fact affect and engender disenchantment and feelings of disenfranchisement in the Muslim community as a whole – which was the point being made – and addressing these “underlying conditions” is the “answer” to terrorism, are these people not thereby stating that terrorism is not a function of an extremist minority but is a legitimate reaction of the Muslim community as a whole? That’s them talking, not me. But in attempting to divert blame and causation away from the perpetrators to “underlying issues” that they assert affect the Muslim community as a whole, aren’t they at the very least implying that the terrorists are acting on behalf of if not for that community?


55 posted on 07/22/2005 9:43:20 AM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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To: Pikamax

This is not about Iraq. It's about Islamofacists wanting to rule the known universe. Doesn't anyone get it?


56 posted on 07/22/2005 9:50:21 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

#56 should have read: Don't these nimrods get it? Or is it that they think this argument, when repeated often enough, will convince anyone?


57 posted on 07/22/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: dubyaismypresident
How are we supposed to tell the radical muslims from the moderate ones if they all use the same talking points?

I guess the moderate ones are the ones that haven't blown themselves up yet.

58 posted on 07/22/2005 9:52:39 AM PDT by jpl
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They love the West. It's the Westerners they can't stand.

That's a remarkably perceptive way of putting it. You've got it dead right.

59 posted on 07/22/2005 10:09:54 AM PDT by neither-nor
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To: siunevada
I found the Left-wing salon apologists for the IRA every bit as creepy and wrong as I did the far-Right, racist nuts who venerated the loyalist paramilitaries. I encountered more of the IRA apologists, however, because they were more prone to conceive of themselves as daring, radical intellectuals, and put themselves about in polite society.

Michael Savage may be a bit kooky sometimes, but he's right about at least 1 thing: "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder".

60 posted on 07/22/2005 10:11:11 AM PDT by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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