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NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'
The Village Voice ^ | July 21st, 200 | by Chisun Lee

Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn

Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave

Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomly—but routinely—search the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obvious—that New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.

Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baaaaa; libertarianfools; nonprofiling; nothintohidehere; nyc; nypd; sheeple; stupidliberals; tshirt; villagevoiceisarag; wot
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To: savedbygrace
Are you suggesting it's reasonable to deny a citizen access to the subway just because of the t-shirt they're wearing?

No, I'm saying the person wearing the T-Shirt is inviting a confrontation, and that's never very smart.

121 posted on 07/22/2005 11:42:43 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: kellynla

If you were really serious about that, well... We handed George the Third his hat for much less than this.

Your Marine Corps brothers and sisters are fighting so we can remain free, not so we can give up our freedom gradually.

122 posted on 07/22/2005 11:42:59 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: savedbygrace
There's no constitutional right to get on a subway

I think there is if it is public transportation, paid by you ... the public.

A private taxi is another matter, but I think you do have a consitutional right to get on a subway.

123 posted on 07/22/2005 11:43:04 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Common Tator; BigFinn
Shoot five shots into the head of anyone who refuses to halt and be searched.

That would solve it nicely.

It sure would.

Then terrorists would stop hating our freedom because we wouldn't have any.

124 posted on 07/22/2005 11:43:19 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: AdamSelene235
While thousands of my Marine Corps brothers & sisters are putting their asses on the line to fight for YOUR FREEDOM, the least you can do while you're sitting safely behind your computers is support the cause and if that means extra security at bus terminals and subways and an extra inconvenience to passengers; THEN SMILE & DEAL WITH IT!

Then cars,homes,walking on the street etc etc....Not the country I grew up in.

125 posted on 07/22/2005 11:43:29 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: Caesar Soze

A lot less, but they're not very effective!

126 posted on 07/22/2005 11:43:37 AM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: kellynla
That last post isn't helping your case any ...

Yeppers, while Marines, Soldiers, and Airmen are off trying to protect American freedom, let's just throw it all down the $#!++er at home.


I've seen plenty of your posts on this forum. You're smarter than this. I'm beginning to wonder if somebody from the DUmpster has hijacked your account.

127 posted on 07/22/2005 11:43:38 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BigFinn

To the people who are complaining about the searches, just wait for a bomb to go off on a NY subway, you will be the first to complain about nothing was done to stop it.

128 posted on 07/22/2005 11:43:49 AM PDT by kempo
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To: CyberAnt

Quote: FINE! Then you can go to jail instead of your job .. and then you get to explain to your boss your lack of concern for your job and your idiocy at refusing to have your bag searched. Typical liberals .. me me me me me .. to hell with the employer who is expecting you to show up for work that day. The liberals have no VISION for tomorrow - they live only in the present.

What the heck is your babbling about? When is it being a good conservative to start professing it's better we lose our privacy and rights at breakneck spead.
Sometimes I think I have awoken in a parralell universe when conservaties today are in bed with the communist in so many areas.

129 posted on 07/22/2005 11:44:03 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: Alberta's Child

Dear Alberta's Child,

" F#ck them, and f#ck their stupid random searches. The brutal truth here is that the only way they can effectively prevent terrorism in New York City is by engaging in large-scale deportation and de-populating large swaths of this urban toilet."

Let's not sugar-coat it. Tell us how you REALLY feel.



130 posted on 07/22/2005 11:44:19 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: muleskinner

I've been seeing bomb-dogs at Penn Station in New York for at least a year now.

131 posted on 07/22/2005 11:44:42 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Look, you have a cop(s) there the bad guy has to pass the cop. He has to not get searched or tip his hand as he walks by the cop. He's on the platform, he has to not tip his hand to other people who might summon the cop. It makes perfect sense.

Also, I have something of a vested interest here, since I'm betting my life on these measures.

132 posted on 07/22/2005 11:44:53 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Uh, just take a second to think. It's not about the actual search. It's about the potential for a search that might discourage the the bad guys. Get it?

These nuts are anxious to kill themselves for their cause. You think the threat of a random search might discourage them?

133 posted on 07/22/2005 11:44:56 AM PDT by bird4four4
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Gotta love Americans. When it comes to liberty, we give it up faster than a drunk prom date.

134 posted on 07/22/2005 11:45:03 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: kempo
To the people who are complaining about the searches, just wait for a bomb to go off on a NY subway, you will be the first to complain about nothing was done to stop it.

Yes, I would be complaining ...

About the horsesh*t that passes for border control in this country. Not because someone didn't ruffle through the porno mags in my breifcase before I got on the train.

When we control the borders, we can stop abusing the actual citizens, and maybe have true freedom again someay.

135 posted on 07/22/2005 11:46:31 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: AdamSelene235
Just like airport screening stopped the 911 hijackers

They were carrying box cutters not bombs..

136 posted on 07/22/2005 11:46:37 AM PDT by noexcuses
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To: kellynla
while thousands of my Marine Corps brothers & sisters are putting their asses on the line to fight for YOUR FREEDOM

Your embarrassing attempt to tug at the heartstrings is duly noted. Do you assume those of us whose opinion differs from yours didn't also wear the uniform?

Freedom = the threat of being randomly searched by the cops? You've got a strange idea of freedom, my friend, certainly one inconsistent with the document you swore to uphold and defend. Just what the hell are we fighting the terrorists for, if not the "freedom" to walk from point A to point B without having to prove your innocence to a cop?

137 posted on 07/22/2005 11:46:41 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: kellynla
"Random" searches are a crock and won't accomplish a thing. What's next, random searches on the sidewalk?

Very slippery slope, that one.

"Whatever makes us safer" is unadulterated CRAP - what makes us safer is letting everybody in NYC carry a loaded 45.

When Mayor Bloomberg is OK with me wearing a loaded 45,and carrying a 12ga, then search away.

Until then, this is just one more step towards a total nanny state.

Law enforcement presence, cooperative, thorough intelligence gathering, and community policing make us SAFER - searching people at random is BS.

Too many sheep in NYC.

138 posted on 07/22/2005 11:47:08 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: oceanview
with that logic, we might as well do away with airport screening...

That's a silly analogy. Everyone who gets on an airplane goes through a screening process -- that's 100% screening. If you search 5000 mass transit riders a day, that's only .14% of all passengers, which means there is a 99.86% chance that a person will enter the system without screening.

139 posted on 07/22/2005 11:47:12 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Stu Cohen
Being "public" transit, and thus not being a "privilge" (the excuse they use for driving) or a private airline ... I wonder how will this would hold up to a legal challenge.

If riding the subway was a right then you wouldn't have to pay a fare to exercise it-- as that would be "prior restraint".

And what if you have alrady paid the fare and you refuse once inside ... they would have to have some kind of refund mechanism. Putting up a sign in a public place doesn't make it so.


If the police want for you to "assume the position", they can always come up with a plausible reason for you to do so.

And in a situation where they are armed and several and you are disarmed and solo, discretion ought to dictate that you adopt compliant behavior.

Being smartass to police officers does not yield positive results, even in New York.

140 posted on 07/22/2005 11:47:23 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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