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The Chinese Military Threat(Wake Up, America!)
The Washington Times ^ | July 23, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 07/23/2005 6:58:04 AM PDT by kellynla

This year's Pentagon report on China's military power is somewhat tougher than in previous years. Released Tuesday, the report concludes that China could threaten not just its smaller neighbors, like Taiwan, but in time "modern militaries operating in the region," which is Pentagon-speak for the United States. "The pace and scope of China's military are, already, such as to put regional military balances at risk," the Pentagon concludes. This report is a needed wake-up call following by a week the threat, since disavowed, by a ranking Chinese general that China would hit "hundreds" of U.S. cities with nuclear weapons if the United States should intervene if Beijing attacks Taiwan.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; chicoms; china; chinesearmy; chinesemilitary; communism; putin; redchina; russia; russianarmy; ussr
While Americans continue to buy Chinese products, the Chicoms are using the revenue to become the next world Superpower. Semper Fi, Kelly
1 posted on 07/23/2005 6:58:04 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

I suspect they are a major terror sponsor too. Just to keep us bogged down using resources to fight little scurmishes while they continue to build. Funny I never hear of any terror attacks in China. Normally you don't bite the hand that's feeding you.

They will be fooled, just like Russia was. They may have more people, but we outnumber them in will-power. We will prevail because we MUST.


2 posted on 07/23/2005 7:12:37 AM PDT by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: kellynla

The WMD in this war are financial. The Chinese have enough dollars to throw us into a depression were they to suddendly dump them.


3 posted on 07/23/2005 7:17:55 AM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: kellynla

Funny that in the Book of Revelation there is mention of a Great Red Dragon. I wonder why no one has come up with a theory that this might be China? Uhmnnnn...


4 posted on 07/23/2005 7:18:34 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

I believe that many prophecy books have been written saying just that.


5 posted on 07/23/2005 7:24:40 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: kellynla

China has been a threat all along. They are biding their time, for now, before they make any major moves, like attacking Taiwan and potentially trying to take out some of our Naval assets, for openers.

http://www.dod.mil/news/Jul2005/d20050719china.pdf
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1438713,00050004.htm


6 posted on 07/23/2005 7:32:33 AM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (Property tax is eternal rent. You can never own your own land. Why?)
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To: rovenstinez

"Red Dragon?"

been there, great Chinese restaurant in L.A. LOL

but seriesly, we have to recognize the Chicom danger and remember what Lenin said. Only he was partially right.

"When the time is right we will make great concessions and overtures of peace to the capitalists and they will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

Lenin understood capitalists much better than he understood capitalism. He did not foresee that the capitalists would sell them the rope on credit.


7 posted on 07/23/2005 7:32:38 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: gooleyman
I suspect they are a major terror sponsor too.

I've thought this for a long time as well. They are probably sponsoring or at least supplying Islamic terrorists around the world. We know they have provided nuclear assistance to Iran, probably Pakistan. They are not interested in "helping" with North Korea because it is a useful distraction.

China wants Taiwan. China's population is getting older and they will have a depopulation bomb in the next few decades as the results of the one child policy come about. So, they need to make their move soon.

The economic war is also part of the picture. They control the Panama canal and are making common cause with the South American socialist wackos of Brazil and Venezuela. Take the money, spend it on building the military, man it with young men while they're still young, take Taiwan and control the Pacific. In the mean time sap the strength of your only rival with distractions.
8 posted on 07/23/2005 7:50:00 AM PDT by seowulf
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To: gooleyman

Wouldn't be just diabolical of the Chinese to support an al Qaeda nuclear attack on the US? How to defeat the MAD defense strategy...


9 posted on 07/23/2005 7:55:32 AM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: kellynla

It seems odd to me that the US Navy is decommissioning S-3B Viking Anti-sub squadrons at the same time the Chinese are commisioning submarines.


This will leave carriers with only helos as organic air assets to protect them.


10 posted on 07/23/2005 7:56:45 AM PDT by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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To: kellynla

The Chinese can afford to bide their time, for now. The US is otherwise engaged, in fighting a foe that the Chinese have little affinity for, and unlikely to ever form an alliance with. This also provides the Chinese with considerable cover for their own military preparations, partly in the event that Western nations ever waver in their will to contain and domesticate the Islamic nations, and partly to be ready to use threat of force to cow a weakened Western alliance. Right now, threats to overrun Taiwan are coached in rather timid diplomatic language, because the US still answers strongly and forthrightly. But should the will of this country ever wane, the "one-China" policy will become a reality, and Taiwan will become another Hong Kong. And since the "overseas Chinese" are placed in so many other countries, there will be further claim to extend the hegemony of Chinese rule.

This places them in direct confrontation with the more amorphous Islamic influence that extends across most of southwestern and southeastern Asia. Only one obstacle stands in their way - the subcontinent of India, neither Chinese nor Muslim, the world's largest democracy, as they like to describe themselves, and a growing economic giant in their own right.

All Europe's dreams for the end to US influence to the world would soon be realized. Pretty empty victory, of course, because Europe itself will be almost unrecognizable within a few decades.


11 posted on 07/23/2005 7:57:34 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: seowulf

IIRC, the Libyan cache/arsenal now in the US included plans in Chinese.


12 posted on 07/23/2005 8:17:39 AM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: seowulf

according to what I heard this a.m., the explosives used in the London bombing attempt last week were Chinese...
no wonder they didn't go off.
The Chicoms should stick to what they know...firecrackers! LOL


13 posted on 07/23/2005 8:29:18 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: opbuzz

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/nssn_ssr.html


14 posted on 07/23/2005 8:37:13 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

The Bible foretold the rise of 200 million dragons in Revelation, rolling across the Euphrates when it dries up. Fortunately, the 200 million dragons will have trouble with a single river barrier. That is a good sign. There is hope, scripturally speaking.

I've noticed on Ebay that paintings from China are a tough sell. It's pretty amazing. I suspect, that if Chinese products were labelled better at the stores, China's exports would plummet. FRegards....


15 posted on 07/23/2005 8:40:53 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Well as long as people continue to buy MADE IN CHINA merchandise, we will continue to fund our enemy and the Chicom military.

Lenin's words could not sound truer than they do today...


16 posted on 07/23/2005 8:44:00 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: rovenstinez

You would have to believe that first..


17 posted on 07/23/2005 8:45:39 AM PDT by ARA
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To: alloysteel

One of the things in our advantage. Is the fact that we are at "war". And the only way to be good at it is to do it. We are developing alot of skills in doing our battles.


18 posted on 07/23/2005 8:50:46 AM PDT by Skeeve14 (1980's RR-Communism Evil Empire 2000's GWB-Communism good for Business)
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To: kellynla

"Well as long as people continue to buy MADE IN CHINA merchandise, we will continue to fund our enemy and the Chicom military."

Right. And I pointed out that when the "made in China" message is easilly read, such as in Ebay when one wants to purchase by mail, then people shy away from buying from China.


19 posted on 07/23/2005 8:51:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: opbuzz

"The Senate Armed Services committee recommended in July 2000 a provision that would authorize the Secretary of the Navy to enter into a contract for up to a total of five Virginia -class submarines between fiscal year 2003 and fiscal year 2006. The provision would authorize the Secretary to continue the shipbuilder teaming arrangement authorized in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1998 (Public Law 105 85). The Committedd required the Secretary of Defense to submit a report to the congressional defense committees with submission of the fiscal year 2002 President's budget to include a plan for maintaining at least 55 attack submarines through 2015, and a plan for achieving a force of 18 Virginia -class submarines by 2015; and assessments of savings to the program of production rates of two submarines per year, if that rate were to begin in fiscal year 2004 and construction were to continue at that rate in fiscal year 2006 and thereafter."

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/nssn.htm


20 posted on 07/23/2005 8:54:13 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I know it might take an extra effort on everyone's part, but folks can still purchase merchandise MADE IN USA and if not certainly products made outside of China.


21 posted on 07/23/2005 8:56:10 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Skeeve14

"We are developing alot of skills in doing our battles."

Good point, especially with intel. And intel is increasingly important.

We cannot compete, in the long run, with China on land. Our military would best fight China the way the Mongels did, with rapid mobility. Holding land over a vast continent takes a back seat to wiping out enemy forces, even with the numbers China boasts. The mongels proved that quality can beat quantity if there is enough room to maneuver.

But here is something we need to bear in mind: Japan is now patenting more inventions than the US. In the long run, we may be dependent on Japan as our high-tech ally. That bothers me. But remaining an ally with Japan is not the end of the world, as things look right now.


22 posted on 07/23/2005 8:57:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: kellynla

I have thought of an end-run around the 'free traders' of China: large, red tags that say "MADE IN CHINA". That would be more difficult to argue with than talk of higher tariffs, wouldn't it?


23 posted on 07/23/2005 8:59:56 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: hubbubhubbub

"The Chinese have enough dollars to throw us into a depression were they to suddendly dump them"


If we went into a depression there would be no one left to purchase their $10 dollar products. They can't have it all.


24 posted on 07/23/2005 9:03:32 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Well, being a ally with Japan is good and bad, in dealing with China.

The problem is the fact that Japan invaded China years ago and China hasn't forgotten that. I see that as a reason for payback in the future.


25 posted on 07/23/2005 9:05:30 AM PDT by Skeeve14 (1980's RR-Communism Evil Empire 2000's GWB-Communism good for Business)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
whatever works...

we have to remain cognizant of the commie beast we are feeding...

and one thing is for sure, China needs to yank it's dog(NK) back on the porch...
for NK cannot survive without China and China cannot prosper without trade with the West including USA, Japan, S. Korea and others...
26 posted on 07/23/2005 9:10:28 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Skeeve14

"The problem is the fact that Japan invaded China years ago and China hasn't forgotten that. I see that as a reason for payback in the future."

In the long run, the most important thing to remember is this: 200 million dragons will one day rise up to devour Israel, when the Euphrates dries up.

Also, in the long run, technology will count more than numbers. The inventers will have the technology. We had best encourage inventions more, here in the US. Short of that, we best have clever allies.


27 posted on 07/23/2005 9:18:41 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: kellynla; All

The idea of larger "made in China" labels is a great wedge issue. Choice and freedom are hardly threatened, while it would hurt China's exports. FRegards....


28 posted on 07/23/2005 9:26:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: All

Here are the amazingly prophetic scriptures I'm referring to regarding China's future invasion across the Euphrates. Note that John saw guns:

Revelation, chapter 16

"12": And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Revelation 9:

15": And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

"16": And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

"17": And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

[Fire, smoke and brimstone: gun powder. The mouths would be the muzzles of guns. Also bear in mind his difficulty comprehending what he saw. It must have been mind boggling for a man, two thousand years ago, to see such things.]

"18": By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

"19": For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

[The tail may well have been the barrel of the gun... a tail that is like unto a serpent! And the power would appear to come from the mouth.]

[and notice this prediction]

Revelation, chapter 14
"20": And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


29 posted on 07/23/2005 9:54:44 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: kellynla
Lenin understood capitalists much better than he understood capitalism. He did not foresee that the capitalists would sell them the rope on credit.

...and then foreclose.

With all this talk of "China taking over the world" we ought to remember...

...they have a BILLION mouths to feed. Not so hard to take out their foodstocks and/or shipping ports, is it?

Cheers!

30 posted on 07/23/2005 10:06:10 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: kellynla

This is what the Pentagon's base realignment is all about. The military is reorienting to face the Pacific. Reducing Eielson AFB and Galena to warm status is part of this plan, as north and interior Alaska are European theater while Greeley and Anchorage are Pacific theater.


31 posted on 07/23/2005 10:10:36 AM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I'm starting to look, and if it is made in China, but a government that surpresses free speech and freedom of religion, I don't buy.


32 posted on 07/23/2005 11:43:23 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: SunnySide

I said we (U.S.) would go into a depression not them (Chinese) LOL. They'd still have enough currency to buy all the commodities and critical resources they need and with a stronger YUAN everything (for them) would be cheaper.


33 posted on 07/23/2005 4:07:54 PM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: kellynla

China may need to yank the NKORs per our perception, but they play by theirs. As long as KI Sung is a thorn/threat in our side, this serves China's interest completely.

Sorry to say, there won't be any yanking soon; unless we grow some stones and preemptively burrow some hi-tech payload into those NK underground bases.


34 posted on 07/23/2005 5:21:52 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: CGVet58

"unless we grow some stones and preemptively burrow some hi-tech payload into those NK underground bases."

no need.

NK needs China and China needs us for their exports

we tell the Chicoms to get their dog "back on the porch" or else...

very elementary my dear, Watson.


35 posted on 07/23/2005 5:37:53 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: gooleyman

Quote: Funny I never hear of any terror attacks in China. Normally you don't bite the hand that's feeding you.

chine does not allow the greaseballs to settle there in the first place. Gotta give that to them for smarts.


36 posted on 07/23/2005 6:02:18 PM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: seowulf

I'm sure they are disapointed that we don't really have a quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be nice for them if we then had wars in Syria, Iran AND North Korea to boot. Then they'd simply call up Taiwan and say we're coming to visit and stay a while. We couldn't do a thing. As it is, we could pull well over half our troops out of Iraq if we absolutely needed to. That's probably the plan. Mark my words (I guess I just did) one day the press will ask, "When are our boys coming home?" And the answer will be, "They are home. We just didn't tell you. We're down to 20,000 troops there"

But the quagmire didn't happen. And it won't happen that way as long as we have a Commander In Chief who let's the military make the battlefield decisions.

We taught them all a lesson about messing with us. I think we set China's plans back a few years. I believe they would have tried their Taiwan takeover by now if Iraq and Afghanistan had either never happened or if they had gone sour like our media wanted them to.

One thing that came out in all the media's attempts to make George Bush look bad is that we not only had a plan to invade Iraq, but we HAVE a plan for every country on the face of the earth....including CHINA. Let'em put that in their pipes and smoke it. Of course we won't do it, but one of my favorite Freeper taglines reads something like this. "Be kind and considerate, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet." I'll never forget that one. Apparently our military lives by that one too.


37 posted on 07/23/2005 6:02:19 PM PDT by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: kellynla

you prove my point; you approach this as we do in the West - the Chinese do not think like that. They gain political status being seen as a "peace broker", & gain erosion of we, their enemy, through this continued crisis. Said crisis, mind you, brought upon us by a near-treasonous democrat administration, and one that affects all Americans regardless of political leaning.

Let's assume that we have some kind of breakdown in relations that doesn't approach military confrontation, but results in a trade/economic war. Do you really think - in a 1.2 billion dictatorship - that the marxists who venerate Mao - the same Mao who killed 30 million or so with his schemes - would give a hoot about the hardships such an economic war would inflict?

Remember, my friend, in many parts of the world folks do not value life like we of the West do... and in China, it's held cheaper than most.


38 posted on 07/23/2005 9:05:02 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: hubbubhubbub

"I said we (U.S.) would go into a depression not them (Chinese) LOL. They'd still have enough currency to buy all the commodities and critical resources they need and with a stronger YUAN everything (for them) would be cheaper."

I realize that. My point was about America being put into a depression is America would stop buying then. By and large America is the largest "consumer" of products over any other country. It was a generalization about China's manufacturing vs. American consumerism of those products.



39 posted on 07/24/2005 7:07:01 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: SunnySide

Ah yes, the American consumer has now become the U.S. critical financial weapon. Well the EU is a bigger market than the U.S. and the Chinese are well aware of what the American consumer means to them.


40 posted on 07/24/2005 7:21:25 AM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: hubbubhubbub

"Ah yes" (rolls eyes)

Never mind........


41 posted on 07/24/2005 7:34:39 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: kellynla

Don't forget who is selling the Chinese those arms..... Russia.

Also, the Russians have an alliance with China, so any war with China may involve Russia as well.


42 posted on 07/24/2005 7:25:07 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: kellynla

All the comments are belong to nationalistic fervor. As far as I know, China is very backward. The aegis-type warships they get are not as advanced as we expected. China does not have any missiles which can reach U.S.A. But their missiles can easily reach Japan.


43 posted on 08/09/2005 6:56:00 PM PDT by Bush push
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To: Bush push

The Chicoms can sit back and let the Muslims do the dirty work in America.
What they want is control of their neighborhood for now...


44 posted on 08/09/2005 7:22:09 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Bush push

"But their missiles can easily reach Japan"

I think that's the key issue. After what Japan did to China during WW2, China would be wanting pay back. Especially, Nanking and the Germ Testing Units.



45 posted on 08/09/2005 7:25:46 PM PDT by Skeeve14 (1980's RR-Communism Evil Empire 2000's GWB-Communism good for Business)
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To: hubbubhubbub

So China, all of a sudden, buys massive amounts of American goods, and we suffer? Although prices would rise, business booms!


46 posted on 08/09/2005 7:28:39 PM PDT by In veno, veritas
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To: kellynla
Simple, end Most Favored Nation status for Chinese exports to the USA. Slap a huge tarrif on Chinese goods and instantly the trade deficit with China is closed.

Except, China would probably experience an instant recession or worse. They would also slap duties on US products. In other words, there would be a trade war. If economic pressures were great enough on the Chinese, they might try and divert attention with a war, like moving agaist Taiwan.

Better come up with a Plan B.

47 posted on 08/09/2005 7:35:30 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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