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To: Coleus
I spent 7 years in the Scouting organization growing up and my sons about the same. Never in all those years did religion and other social issues play a major role. Sure, we said a prayer now and then and always pledged allegiance to God and country and stood at attention when the national anthem was played (no more than we already did in school or at your average baseball game). We didn't sit around worrying about who was homosexual or any of that nonsense.

Scouting was all about camping, getting merit badges and doing things for the community. We learned how to properly whittle wood, start a campfire, use a compass, etc., etc. We used to go around Saturday mornings picking up trash in run-down neighborhoods and blazing trails in the nearby woods.

As for homosexuality, it's only an issue in Scouting because pedophiles and other deviants are attracted to the organization because of all the boys. When I was growing up, I remember at least two Scout leaders who were bounced out because they tried to get too close to the boys. It's not that the Scouts have a vendetta against homosexuals, they are just trying to protect their members. Is that such a bad things?

All this Scouting backlash by the media is a bunch of nonsense. Scouts are discriminated against far more than they discriminate against others.

39 posted on 07/24/2005 4:19:57 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Need a Waffle House in Massachusetts)
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To: SamAdams76
It's not that the Scouts have a vendetta against homosexuals, they are just trying to protect their members. Is that such a bad things?

Not at all. But I think the introduction of the argument about family and religious values was deemed necessary by the BSA's attorneys, because of the nature of the attack mounted against BSA by Lambda Legal Defense, the gay lawyering group, in the James Dale case. James Dale was carefully forum-shopped (all these "anti-gay discrimination" cases are) to New Jersey, because New Jersey's state supreme court was known to be very liberal. The BSA basically argued that they were a private, church-affiliated organization (so many of their troops, as you know, are church-sponsored), so that they could validly claim First Amendment protection from Lambda's petition to the State of New Jersey to force "gay-friendly" values on BSA, with a claim that BSA "discriminated" against homosexuals on unsupportable grounds. Don't ask me to explain why protection of the boys from predatory pederasts can't be supported in the law.

All this Scouting backlash by the media is a bunch of nonsense.

No, it's part of the press campaign for homosexuals. They have been actively campaigning on behalf of "gay rights" for over 15 years. In 1994 or so, Jonathan Alter wrote an essay in his magazine -- I think he writes for Newsweek -- in which he listed all the press campaigns that were in progress at the time (antismoking, pro-abortion, etc., etc.), along the way to asking his media fellows to keep the list manageable, lest they lose their focus and their ability to influence the public. Alter's campaign list included the homosexuality campaign.

48 posted on 07/24/2005 5:03:27 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: SamAdams76
I spent 7 years in the Scouting organization growing up and my sons about the same. Never in all those years did religion and other social issues play a major role. Sure, we said a prayer now and then and always pledged allegiance to God and country and stood at attention when the national anthem was played (no more than we already did in school or at your average baseball game). We didn't sit around worrying about who was homosexual or any of that nonsense.

That was my experience in the Boy Scouts as well.

Scouting was all about camping, getting merit badges and doing things for the community. We learned how to properly whittle wood, start a campfire, use a compass, etc., etc. We used to go around Saturday mornings picking up trash in run-down neighborhoods and blazing trails in the nearby woods.

Right. It was about citizenship, teamwork, responsibility, and self-reliance. About boys growing up into good men.

73 posted on 07/24/2005 10:39:57 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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