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Cynthia McKinney's CIA Agent Involved in Plame Letter
RedState ^ | UPDATED Jul 23rd, 2005 | John Cole

Posted on 07/24/2005 6:35:03 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

This is mind-numbing:

Revisiting the issue that helped spur her ouster from Congress three years ago, Rep. Cynthia Mc­Kinney led a Capitol Hill hearing Friday on whether the Bush administration was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The eight-hour hearing, timed to mark the first anniversary of the release of the Sept. 11 commission's report on the attacks, drew dozens of contrarians and conspiracy theorists who suggest President Bush purposely ignored warnings or may even have had a hand in the attack — claims participants said the commission ignored.

That, in and of itself, is nothing unusual for Cynthia McKinney. But, the story gets more interesting as you read on:

The commission's report was not a rush to judgment, it was a rush to exoneration," said John Judge, a member of Mc­Kinney's staff and a representative of a Web site dedicated to raising questions about the Sept. 11 commission's report.

The White House and the commission have dismissed such questions as unfounded conspiracy theories.

McKinney first raised questions about Bush's involvement shortly after the attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, generating a furious response from fellow Democrats in Washington and voters in Georgia, who ousted her in 2002.

"What we are doing is asking the unanswered questions of the 9/11 families," McKinney, a DeKalb County Democrat who won back her seat in 2004, said during the proceedings.

She rebuffed a reporter's repeated attempts to ask her why she would so boldly embrace the same claims that led to her downfall.

"Congresswoman McKinney is viewed as a contrarian," panelist Melvin Goodman, a former CIA official, said. "And I hope someday her views will be considered conventional wisdom."

Who is Melvin Goodman? Why, one of the signatories to this letter regarding the Plame leak. The letter that has been widely trumpeted by Josh Marshall and others.

Assuming there is only one former CIA official named Mel Goodman, it appears Mr. Goodman has been very busy lately. His inclusion as a signatory also makes the letter from former 'outraged' CIA officials look less like straight talk than it did initially. That in and of itself does not invalidate the letter, but it makes it look much less like the pristine indictment against all things Bush that Mr. Marshall would have you believe.

In continuing our examination of Josh Marshall's favorite letter, we're moseying on down the list of signatories, and their credibility ain't exactly improving.

Ray McGovern, for instance, contributed an article to the ultra-left truthout.org arguing that the Downing Street Memo conclusively proves that Bush deliberately forged intelligence to get us into war in Iraq. Now, are we to believe that he just innocently and in a non-partisan manner became concerned about what happened to poor old Valerie Plame? If you're still unconvinced, read his hysterical rant at DemocracyNow about what a right-wing rag the WaPo is. You might also be interested to know that McGovern thinks that the reason 9/11 happened was because of "gross ineptitude and gross malfeasance" on the part of the Bush administration. They should have paid more attention to Sandy Berger. I'm serious, it's all in there.

One of the other signatories to the letter, David MacMichael, also belongs to McGovern's group, Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, which has been virulently anti-war since well before the Plame situation exploded. Observe some of the quotes from MacMichael during an interview with lefty host Amy Goodman:

It is all happening because there are lies upon lies, deceit upon deceit that have been used to justify this illegal war on against an unprovoked enemy, or an enemy that does not provoke us.

Then there's this bit of glittering insight during the same interview:

AMY GOODMAN:Now one of the things we are talking about a lot and seeing a lot is that the same people that were there during the Reagan-Bush years and even before, the Wolfowitzes the Rumsfelds, Cheneys were there then. What was George Bush’s view of these people then?

AMY GOODMAN: Did George Bush refer to them that way?

Those were 1981-1983 under Reagan and under William Casey. In fact I embarked on that job the day Casey came in. I can assure you that the way in which the National Intelligence Council and the National Intelligence officers, the directing officers in there were stacked during the Casey years, meant that intelligence was designed, and I focused principally on Central America, the whole Iran Contra thing later, truthful analysis was not the highest priority there. The determination was to produce analyses that would support the previously decided upon policy so for me, getting back involved with Ray McGovern here and VIPS dealing with this current situation, its kind of like déjà vu all over again. It’s a familiar process.

Additionally, several of the other signatories had been outspoken critics of the administration's decision to go to war before the incident with Plame erupted, including Col. Patrick Lang. Vince Cannistraro was part of the group of CIA officials who suspiciously began speaking critically about the Bush administration in the month before the general election, rather than at a time when it might have been practically useful (such as, before the war).

This letter becomes less credible by the minute. We are still looking for a signatory that didn't have an axe to grind with Bush BEFORE the outing of Plame.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: amygoodman; cia; cialeak; cynthiamckinney; davidmacmichael; joshmarshall; larryjohnson; mckinney; plame; raymcgovern; redstate
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Nick Danger's FReeper run story-"Larry Johnson, Expert and Prophet"

I'm not aware of anything at all Larry Johnson did before the outing of Plame

Well, one of the things he did, which you may wish to consider when assessing his credibility and his grasp of world issues, is author a piece for the New York Times on July 10, 2001, called The Declining Terrorist Threat. It seems that I myself dug that puppy out, on 9/11.

In that piece, written while the Atta Boys were in flight school, Mr. Johnson assured us that Americans had little to fear from terrorism, and especially not from Islamic terrorism.

He was basically selling the line that a trumped-up "fear of terrorism" was being used to justify unwarranted military expenditures:

"I am not soft on terrorism; I believe strongly in remaining prepared to confront it. However, when the threat of terrorism is used to justify everything from building a missile defense to violating constitutional rights (as in the case of some Arab-Americans imprisoned without charge), it is time to take a deep breath and reflect on why we are so fearful. Part of the blame can be assigned to 24-hour broadcast news operations too eager to find a dramatic story line in the events of the day and to pundits who repeat myths while ignoring clear empirical data. Politicians of both parties are also guilty. They warn constituents of dire threats and then appropriate money for redundant military installations and new government investigators and agents."

"Finally, there are bureaucracies in the military and in intelligence agencies that are desperate to find an enemy to justify budget growth. In the 1980's, when international terrorism was at its zenith, NATO and the United States European Command pooh-poohed the notion of preparing to fight terrorists. They were too busy preparing to fight the Soviets. With the evil empire gone, they "discovered" terrorism as an important priority."

So that's Larry Johnson, and that's his axe. Sixty days before the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked, Larry Johnson was saying, "Although high-profile incidents have fostered the perception that terrorism is becoming more lethal, the numbers say otherwise, and early signs suggest that the decade beginning in 2000 will continue the downward trend."

However one poster solds Danger: "Seems a little unreasonable to play Monday Morning Quarterback and then say that he (Larry Johnson" has an axe to grind because he was wrong. "

But Danger responds in part: "The axe he was grinding was the long-time Democrat mantra that we spend too much on defense. What the excuse was this time hardly matters; it's always something.... ..."let's be clear that when he (Larry Johnson) steps into a heated partisan dispute, he does not get to wear the cloak of objectivity. He's just another ax-grinder vying for attention."

UPDATE 07-23-05 10:39:00 EDT by Dales: Nick Danger's info on Larry C. Johnson.

One other interesting factoid..By: kowalski who points out:
"Melvin Goodman and Amy Goodman have actually talked to each other, quite extensively, on this subject. And done an interview together on Democracy NOW! So for anyone who was thinking of responding that I wasn't making the connection clearly enough, I'll let Democracy NOW!s website speak for itself."

"Internationally acclaimed journalist Amy Goodman, host of the national daily, radio/TV program Democracy Now!, is on a national tour to mark the launch of her first book The Exception to the Rulers: Exposing Oily Politicians, War Profiteers, and the Media That Love Them. Join us for this exciting event. Support independent media. Tell your friends about the event:

Spoke in Chicago, yesterday July 23, 12:00-1:30PM
ILCA's 50th Anniversary Convention
Chicago City Centre Holiday Inn
300 East Ohio Street

1 posted on 07/24/2005 6:35:03 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: Nick Danger

PING ..

care to PONG?


2 posted on 07/24/2005 6:35:52 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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Please, FReepers.

No pics of Cynthia the nitwit.
It's breakfast time.


3 posted on 07/24/2005 6:39:17 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Larry Johnson is a Clinton chronie and an idiot who has to take more responsibility for intelligence failures concerning 9-11 than anyone.


4 posted on 07/24/2005 6:44:27 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: fight_truth_decay
Internationally acclaimed journalist Amy Goodman, host of the national daily, radio/TV program Democracy Now!, is on a national tour to mark the launch of her first book "The Exception to the Rulers: Exposing Oily Politicians, War Profiteers, and the Media That Love Them."

I am sure the chapter tracing the history of Marc Rich & Company Aktiengesellschaft - from the brokering of Iranian oil to Rich's eventual pardoning by William Jefferson Blythe Clinton - is compelling.

5 posted on 07/24/2005 6:46:12 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I DEMAND that Chuck Schumer explain his hair.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Something wreaks at the Agency.


6 posted on 07/24/2005 6:46:23 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: RandallFlagg
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Weesa gonna LIE?!?
7 posted on 07/24/2005 6:47:10 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: FreedomPoster

Things that make you go hmmmm.


8 posted on 07/24/2005 6:47:50 AM PDT by doodad
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To: Mad Mammoth
YAAAAGGGGHHHHHhurl!

Four freshly grilled breakfast cheeseburgers shot to hell.
9 posted on 07/24/2005 6:48:21 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Mad Mammoth

LOLOL!


10 posted on 07/24/2005 6:52:00 AM PDT by PilloryHillary (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: doodad

(#&*$(* nutcase idjut.


11 posted on 07/24/2005 6:53:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank) (NRA)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Congresswoman McKinney is viewed as a contrarian," panelist Melvin Goodman, a former CIA official, said. "And I hope someday her views will be considered conventional wisdom."

Wow, these disloyal CIA agents are really bitter since the Intel community was reorganized and they lost their little fiefdom ,eh?

12 posted on 07/24/2005 6:54:01 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (When Frist exercises his belated Constitutional "Byrd option", Reid will have a "Nuclear Reaction".)
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To: RandallFlagg
Oops. Sorry. I owe you four cheeseburgers.

Here:

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13 posted on 07/24/2005 6:58:55 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: RandallFlagg
Okay, okay ~ but how about just this one


14 posted on 07/24/2005 7:03:11 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom

ROTFLMAO!!!!


15 posted on 07/24/2005 7:04:20 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Cynthia McKinny is a nut case representing a bunch of nuts who re-elected her - depraved indifference.


16 posted on 07/24/2005 7:07:37 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: Mad Mammoth

It really is so great that mc pigtails is back in the congress. She can't do us any harm, but she keeps reminding people of how deep dpwn f#$%^ing crazy so many rats are. I wish we had about 5 or 6 more of them, Oh I forgot we have lots more than that.


17 posted on 07/24/2005 7:07:59 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

bump


18 posted on 07/24/2005 7:12:39 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Amy Goodman was giving some sort of public speech in Santa Cruz, CA about her heroic delusions, when supposedly there was a bomb threat...

I think the bomb threat was a hoax to get media coverage and sympathy. It was probably someone connected with her, since Santa Cruz is an ultra Leftist haven...


19 posted on 07/24/2005 7:14:28 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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July 18th signatories to the letter regarding the Plame leak before mentioned above
_____________________________________
Larry C. Johnson, former Analyst, CIA
JOINED BY:
Mr. Brent Cavan, former Analyst, CIA
Mr. Vince Cannistraro, former Case Officer, CIA
Mr. Michael Grimaldi, former Analyst, CIA
Mr. Mel Goodman, former senior Analyst, CIA
Col. W. Patrick Lang (US Army retired), former Director, Defense Humint
Services, DIA
Mr. David MacMichael, former senior estimates officer, National Intelligence
Council, CIA
Mr. James Marcinkowski, former Case Officer, CIA
Mr. Ray McGovern, former senior Analyst and PDB Briefer, CIA
Mr. Jim Smith, former Case Officer, CIA
Mr. William C. Wagner, former Case Officer, CIA


20 posted on 07/24/2005 7:23:31 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
Larry Johnson gave the Saturday morning Democratic response yesterday, which I found kinda odd. It seems that the DEMS want to use ancillary characters (MSM/left wingers)to keep RoveGate churning without having to be directly associated with it.

Despite his participation in the Democratic response, I'm sure the MSM will label him "impartial."
21 posted on 07/24/2005 7:29:13 AM PDT by Shqipo (Finally leaving Massachusetts-- free at last, free at last!)
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To: Howlin; cyncooper; Shermy; kcvl; Sam Hill

FYI ping


22 posted on 07/24/2005 7:29:43 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: fight_truth_decay

Yes, Cynthia McKinney is a problem.......But, I'd also worry about the dumb bastards that formed a majority in the district of Georgia that elected her AGAIN!

We have allowed much of the country to fall into the hands of mental migets or worse --- who remain totally unaware they are imbeciles..

Semper Fi


23 posted on 07/24/2005 7:31:38 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: TeleStraightShooter
"Congresswoman McKinney is viewed as a contrarian," panelist Melvin Goodman, a former CIA official, said. "And I hope someday her views will be considered conventional wisdom."

If by "contrarian" he means "idiot", then yes, Cynthia al-Qaeda is a contrarian. As for her views being considered "conventional wisdom," that will be the day pigs fly.

24 posted on 07/24/2005 7:39:23 AM PDT by JRios1968 (The C-5 Galaxy (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=84)...sometimes, size DOES matter!)
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To: river rat
Yes, Cynthia McKinney is a problem.......But, I'd also worry about the dumb bastards that formed a majority in the district of Georgia that elected her AGAIN!

That is what you get when you allow states to carve out the weirdo voter sections. I think that area would vote for a colored hitler if he was running on the DemoRAT Ticket.

25 posted on 07/24/2005 7:41:22 AM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: Mo1

Thanks for the ping.

It should be noted that Larry C. (for Clown) Johnson, is also a member of McGovern's "Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity." (I mean, come on. VIPs. How cheesy can you get?)

Johnson has also gone on taxpayer funder Democracy Now! with Tokyo Rose/Amy Goodman. (Which is actually an unfair comparison, for Tokyo Rose.)


26 posted on 07/24/2005 7:53:34 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: LowOiL

These gerrymandered districts would vote for a bowling ball as long as it was black.

Come to think of it a Bowling ball is smarter than McKinney.


27 posted on 07/24/2005 7:59:33 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: fight_truth_decay
Vince Cannistraro was part of the group of CIA officials who suspiciously began speaking critically about the Bush administration in the month before the general election, rather than at a time when it might have been practically useful (such as, before the war).

Well, he jumped into the Bush-bashing before the election, but the guy's been a snake in the grass long before that. He signed an online petition to free Sami Al-Arian when he was first (finally) arrested, and he's long been the go-to "security expert" for the NY Times, et al -- guaranteed to refute/criticize any decision by the administration.

I think we should classify the CIA as a subversive organization and have done with it.

28 posted on 07/24/2005 8:12:42 AM PDT by browardchad
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Mr. David MacMichael, former senior estimates officer, National Intelligence Council, CIA

(Appearance by: Dr. David C. MacMichael, former CIA analyst. Page 7 of the transcript, 7:32 minutes in the movie): ""... very disturbing ... intervention by people particularly from Vice President Cheney's office and Vice President Cheney himself ... to produce precisely the language which would allow them ... to support the decision to go into Iraq." -Film "Uncovered": The Whole Truth about the Iraq War by Producer/ Director Robert Greenwald, 2003, 56 minutes. Independent film by the Producer. Web site: Uncovered.

A transcript of the movie is available online.

Also stars Larry Johnson and Joseph Wilson, Mel Goodman, Scott Ritter, Richard Clarke....

..film was first released in November 2003 via thousands of house parties organized by MoveOn.org...

http://www.truthuncovered.com/ Source: http://www.hevanet.com/peace/

29 posted on 07/24/2005 8:14:14 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

WOW! Where to begin?

I think it fair to make a statement regarding these individuals and their contentions and allegations. There is so much that I'll restrict my remarks to views philosophical in the hope that one comes to realize that a person of ulterior motivation can put facts together to attribute just whatever they want to ascribe to them. I think they, generally, fall into three major categories and I'll comment on them:

1. The Conspiracy Theorists> Who generally have a common trait in that they are to a greater or lesser degree paranoid regarding those in power. They distrust them and are bent upon attributing clandestine motivations to what they do. NOW! This is not to say that a little paranoia, based on real historical reference/s isn't justifiable, because it's a fact politicians; especially, are NOT among the most savory of individuals. Such distrust must be tempered with reality and a 'Let's take a step back and view this from a wider perspective' mentality. Failing to do so puts one in the category of the fellow who thinks he's being followed. He notices someone that has followed his path for two blocks across an intersection. He abruptly turns, walks towards the subject, pulls a gun and to a startled pedestrian demands..."Why are you following me?" The shocked fellow exclaims "I'm not following you, just happen to be going in the same direction just like the rest of these folks walking by". At this time, in this Nation...we are so politically polarized with two major, distinct beliefs of diametrically opposed attitudes that those on both sides need to be a bit more the pragmatic realist. "Emotion is the fuel for a rush of s__t to the brain" (me).
Can you spell T-R-I-L-A-T-E-R-A-L C-O-M-M-I-S-S-I-O-N ?

2. The Crusaders/Idealists> Cast from a similar mold and a attired from a common bolt of cloth they differ only in how they are attired. The net result is the same though. They perceive a singular factoid to be the preliminary cancerous cell, which if left intact will metasticize and consume us all. With the fervor of a temperance lecturer they focus in on the quarry to the rejection of all knowledge outside their peripheral field of vision and attack. Now, be advised that I'm making generalities herewith and they, by their nature, are inaccurate as they tend to brand all with the same mark. I realize that, but one must also accept how idealistic focus (illustratable by 'Bush hatred' amongst other examples) breeds a very real narrowing of one's intellectual reasoning. When you throw political operatives along with disingebuous politicians and lawyers into the mix you have a bouillabaisse for disaster! The solution, difficult as it may seem, is to take a deep breath and try to view the scenario from the complete opposite perspective, DEVOID of emotional rant. Once gain,"Emotion is the fuel for a rush of sh__ to the brain" (me)

3. The America haters> Of which there is an overabundance. When Bush the First coined the phrase the NEW WORLD ORDER and I first heard it, I literally heard myself think..."What! Are you nuts? You'll come off as a latter day Hitler and an arrogant and pushy ugly American. They won't understand your frame of reference AT ALL." I just COULD NOT believe the sheer ignorance of that remark. Though unspoken it, I firmly belief, became the subliminal image in the minds of the many world-wide, who DON'T KNOW US, and...at home, who DON'T TRUST US (US meaning the government), and the rallying cry for all. Then you have the left-leaning liberals, an offshoot of the '50s Marxist-Leninist Socialist/Communist amalgam whose objective was to use the freedom of our society to destroy us from within. One tool, creatively used by groups like the ACLU, ACP, MOVEON.ORG, et al is to use "personal rights" as a vehicle to literally create a 'tyranny of the minority'. That is to say a society where, bulwarked by judicial activism and sojourns into law changing rather than law interpretation, the individual right is championed at the expense of the MAJORITY. The court rules in favor of whatever minority group (minority opinion in number relative to overall popular opinion) and it becomes the law of the land. In this way the minority has quite effectively forced the majority to abide by what they desire. As is readily seen this is a cauldron of anarchy for when the general public has had enough and the courts have become so out of touch with the needs and wants of the public at large what is left is...VIOLENT REVOLUTION FROM WITHIN. In the history of the world such an event has never occurred, but certain as night follow day...if changes are NOT made to the way the courts function, primarily the USSC, in this society...it is just a matter of time. Decent people will only be pushed so far before they collectively shout 'ENOUGH!' Why? you ask. Simply because...,"Emotion is the fuel for a rush of sh__ to the brain" (me)

I hope this was enlightening.


30 posted on 07/24/2005 9:02:47 AM PDT by doctorhugo (Concerned Citizen & Proud Navy Vet)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Spoke in Chicago, yesterday July 23, 12:00-1:30PM

'Splains all that hot air you guys been having.

31 posted on 07/24/2005 9:12:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Cynthia McKinney....in your guts you know she's nuts!


32 posted on 07/24/2005 9:18:07 AM PDT by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Holy cow.


33 posted on 07/24/2005 9:19:39 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Rep. Cynthia Mc­Kinney, one of the poster children on why gerrymandering is so wrong.

Many of the other children are in the Congressional black caucus.
34 posted on 07/24/2005 9:20:35 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Mo1; Peach

Good God.

As I stated yesterday (and before), this same crew that brays about "Bush knew" 9/11 was going to happen and didn't stop it would have led the parade for his impeachment had he had real intelligence (he did not) and tried to thwart it.

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind they would have claimed he was making it up in order to impose a totalitarian state in his mad quest for power.

I've often cited the rogue elements in these departments but this is getting Twilight Zone-ish seeing the types that have populated the halls of the CIA, for instance. Madmen and women.


35 posted on 07/24/2005 10:25:19 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper

That was about the same reaction I had


36 posted on 07/24/2005 10:40:04 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: cyncooper

I saw that cyn, and thought there really is a bigger rogue element out there than we'd originally thought. Aided and abetted by the CIA and others.


37 posted on 07/24/2005 10:57:06 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Matchett-PI; G.Mason; NathanBookman

ping.


38 posted on 07/24/2005 11:23:38 AM PDT by Alia
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To: river rat
"We have allowed much of the country to fall into the hands of mental migets or worse --- who remain totally unaware they are imbeciles.."

We have "allowed" nothing of the sort. The imbeciles and their handlers still outnumber us.

39 posted on 07/24/2005 12:34:39 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law overarching rulers and ruled alike)
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To: Alia; oldglory

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 07/24/2005 12:35:14 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law overarching rulers and ruled alike)
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To: Peach
Ray McGovern, for instance, contributed an article to the ultra-left truthout.org arguing that the Downing Street Memo conclusively proves that Bush deliberately forged intelligence to get us into war in Iraq.

I thought this Rove thing sounded a lot like what the Beeb tried to do to Tony Blair. Jeez louise, it sounds like there a lot of cesspits in need of draining.

41 posted on 07/24/2005 12:36:34 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Democrats and their little play "hearings" again.

They are so cute when they stomp around and throw tantrums.


42 posted on 07/24/2005 12:37:50 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: Matchett-PI
"The imbeciles and their handlers still outnumber us."

Now, THAT - is a frightening thought...

I'm not sure I'm ready to acknowledge that, since I suspect they only seem to outnumber us because they scream at us so much.....

We're called the "silent majority" -- because we vote...
When our vote or Constitution is trampled......we shoot..
Arm thy self --- and be vigilant..

Semper Fi

43 posted on 07/24/2005 12:50:01 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: fight_truth_decay; mhking

moron jihad cyndi

hrmn? what the...? let's try that again

moron jihad cyndi

??? darnit! third time's the charm:

MORON jihad cyndi

RATS.
for some reason, if "jihad cyndi" is involved, "more on" automatically defaults to "moron"
How odd.


44 posted on 07/24/2005 2:31:40 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: doctorhugo
I hope this was enlightening.

Decent people will only be pushed so far before they collectively shout 'ENOUGH'

When do you think that will be? ARE WE THERE YET???;)

Thanks for the post. I liked reading what you had to say.

Regards
F_T_D

45 posted on 07/24/2005 3:24:06 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: river rat
"The imbeciles and their handlers still outnumber us."

Tis an allusion; yes, just an allusion the media has seen fit to endorse. Thank God, Gore invented the Internet.

46 posted on 07/24/2005 3:29:49 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
I believe strongly in remaining prepared to confront it. However, when the threat of terrorism is used to justify everything from building a missile defense to violating constitutional rights (as in the case of some Arab-Americans imprisoned without charge), it is time to take a deep breath and reflect on why we are so fearful. Part of the blame can be assigned to 24-hour broadcast news operations too eager to find a dramatic story line in the events of the day and to pundits who repeat myths while ignoring clear empirical data. Politicians of both parties are also guilty. They warn constituents of dire threats and then appropriate money for redundant military installations and new government investigators and agents."

No wonder the CIA can't find terrorists. They are to busy fighting the United States Military. This guy is a real peace of work. He is getting paid to write this kind of garbage, Plame is sending hubby on junkets to spin the leftie/pro-terrorists/anti-Israel propaganda. Has the CIA taken out the garbage yet. Or is the civil service rules preventing this job from being done.

47 posted on 07/24/2005 3:30:33 PM PDT by marty60
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To: fight_truth_decay
Tis an allusion; illusion yes, just an allusion illusion the media has seen fit to endorse

Yikes..believe it or not came close to winning a class spelling bee once. Hmmm think the word was ILLUSION :(

48 posted on 07/24/2005 3:38:43 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: marty60

Liberals and the war on the military

Part III in the series "The Liberal War on America"

By Joe Roessler
web posted October 25, 1999

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1099libwar3.htm


49 posted on 07/24/2005 3:46:56 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

How did this Goodman fool ever get a job with the CIA? What's evident is that we have a group of disgruntled former CIA people trying to bring down the Administration. When will this become a news story?


50 posted on 07/24/2005 5:32:53 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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