After 60 years, debate over fluoride still rages

North Jersey Newspapers ^ | 07.24.05 | COLLEEN DISKIN

[sonofatpatcher2]

Old General Ripper sure has staying power, eh?

More than I do... I regret to say!

[Justa]

The fanatical defense of flouridation by the ADA and various quasi-political 'councils' imo is more about legal liability than health. When the cover comes off flouridation there's gonna be a whole lot of lawsuits -and payout ergo it's fanantical defenders.

Besides bone cancer there's also a growing link to Alzheimers. From what I've learned of it: it's used in medication due to its ability of transporting ions into the brain. It is also highly reactive with metals and flouride ions bond with metals in water supplies before being injested. The theory is that just as with medication, the flouride-metal ions pass into the brain, the largest resevoir of water in the body, and coagulate into deposits which affect cell growth. The end result is a rotting-out of the brain when, in old age, a person can no longer the replace the damaged brain cells around the metal deposits. Medical professionals only refer to "plaque" or "scar tissue" near the tiny holes in Alzheimer patients' brains, not what's under the scar tissue. Of course this is just a theory but I believe it will eventually be proven; just not in America since our media and politicians are too far under the influence of money and corporatism to care.

[Antioch]

Fluoride is essential to mineralization, but as an ultra trace element. Thats why dental health IS worse in non-flouridated areas. Fluoride requirements are not in the category of zinc, selenium or manganese, but rather in amounts as boron, nickel or vanadium in the body. The deletorious health effects of fluoride are due to overexposure beyond the body's needs (resulting from cumulative effects of water, toothpastes, dental gels etc.)

[Steely Tom]

More than I do... I regret to say!

Oh, I don't know about that.This line has stayed with me for about 35 years:

Zees women vould haff to be zelected not for zehr intellectual capabilities, but RAAHzher for zehr reproDUCTive potential...

(steely)

[Spyder]

Lots of luck convincing anyone on these threads. There's been a noticeable shift toward the anti-medical, bordering on quack theories that I've noted here since the whole Terri Schiavo mess. The site seemed to attract people who were so single-minded as to believe a single quack with a theory rather than accumulated research. (Hammesfahr in the case of Schiavo).

For sake of your sanity I recommend you also stay away from vaccine threads, autism threads, and mercury threads in particular. My husband (another dentist) has learned that clicking on them is bad for the digestion, LOL.

[norraad]

I'm on board for lawsuits!

Just for embrittlement alone.

The information has long been known in other areas, metallurgy, chemical processing, etc..

I think someone high up the medical/industrial complex knew as well.

More important than hardness, as Fluoride replaces calcium ions your teeth gradually become brittle, so your back the dentists for more expensive repairs.

[Jaysun]

Banjo player in Deliverence? Or "Hill" people?

Environmental "activist"

Actually, I don't know. I ripped his portrait off from the web somewhere. He originally had a damaged left eye and a tattoo of a dagger on the side of his forehead.

[Jaysun]

Banjo player in Deliverence? Or "Hill" people?

Environmental "activist"

Actually, I don't know. I ripped his portrait off from the web somewhere. He originally had a damaged left eye and a tattoo of a dagger on the side of his forehead.

[tongass kid]

Thanks for the information. I realize this forum can not explain decades of research, especially to those with an agenda to sell fear. Fear is a powerful motivator that causes reasonable people to commit unreasonable acts. Somewhere in the Good Book we are reminded that the spirit of fear is not of the Lord. I have seen intelligent people die rather than accept medical treatment because some greedy person wrote a negative book about US medicine. I have no dog in this fight with other posters , only those that use the spirit of fear to sell their books. Once again, thank you.

[tongass kid]

I believe you may be trying to define the optimum concentration of fluoride in the water. Unfortunately, some areas of the country have naturally occurring fluoride far beyond the optimum. Anyone drinking from a well or non public water supply should consider testing the water for various items including fluoride.

[Spyder]

Too true. One of my husband's professors is/has been very active in anti-quackery, anti-healthfraud and got us interested as well. Hawaii goes through the fluoride debate every few years and every time it's the fear factor that wins it for junk science promoters. Oh well - job security so we can stay here when he retires from the Army in a year. Caries is a huge problem here.

[tongass kid]

Thanks for the conversations. Must get some rest in order to save the world from the all the bad bugs in my patients mouth's.

[TexasTransplant]

Just an aside observation;

I was reading about the Arankawa Indians that the Spaniards met when they first landed in what is now Corpus Christi Texas and one of the first observations made (besides that they were a very tall and handsome race) was that they all possessed perfect white teeth.

(And that happened without the help of any politician :^)

[tongass kid]

Thank you for the information. Many studies have been completed on the dentition of Native Americans pre western diet. It is generally accepted that Native Americans suffered virtually no tooth decay until the introduction of western foods. Once again thank you.