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Deport all who 'spit hate' - Major
This is London ^ | July 25, 2005 | Former Prime Minister John Major

Posted on 07/25/2005 10:25:44 AM PDT by BMC1

People who "spit hate" at the British way of life should be deported, Tory former Prime Minister John Major said.

Mr Major spoke of the "uncomfortable reality" that many terrorists were born or lived in the UK but had been taught to hate its culture.

"There seem to be many people who, for reasons that are irrational, dislike the Anglo-Saxon way of life," he said.

He called for heavier penalties for those who incited violence at this "particularly sensitive time".

"Always difficult to balance this against freedom of speech but I think, at the moment, it is justifiable to protect the public," he argued.

Mr Major added: "As far as those who literally spit hate at our country and there are some of them - they spit hate at our country and they incite - I personally would be prepared to deport those where it is clear that what they are doing is causing civil unrest and may cost other people, as a result of that, their lives."

He also called for more CCTV cameras to deter the threat and the use of intercept evidence in courts. Interviewed on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Mr Major urged the Government to consult widely over new anti-terror legislation.

(Excerpt) Read more at thisislondon.com ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deportallwho; islamofascists; londonattacked; mosquewatch; religionofpeace; trop
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1 posted on 07/25/2005 10:25:45 AM PDT by BMC1
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To: BMC1

That would be millions of Muslims.


2 posted on 07/25/2005 10:26:44 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam (check out www.prophetofdoom.net))
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To: BMC1

No Shiite, Sherlock. Deport all mass murderers. No kidding.


3 posted on 07/25/2005 10:27:04 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: tomahawk

We don't have millions of muslims in the uk. Not yet anyway.


4 posted on 07/25/2005 10:29:13 AM PDT by pau1f0rd (Still more majestic shalt thou rise, More dreadful from each foreign stroke.)
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To: BMC1

If this was done in the US, the Democrat party leadership would be decimated (not to mention DU).


5 posted on 07/25/2005 10:29:19 AM PDT by vrwc1
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To: tomahawk
That works for me. So far, I'm not hearing that muslims are turning in their terrorists. So far all I hear is they are calling anyone who says anything about them is a racist.

SO BE IT. GIT RID OF THEM.
6 posted on 07/25/2005 10:30:28 AM PDT by BMC1
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To: pau1f0rd

Sorry, I was projecting on the U.S., where we do.


7 posted on 07/25/2005 10:30:54 AM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam (check out www.prophetofdoom.net))
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To: BMC1

Me, I'd deport 'em to the afterlife.


8 posted on 07/25/2005 10:37:17 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: BMC1

Given Blair's "invite the representatives of the religion of peace in for a talk" approach to the London attacks, could the Tories have finally found the issue that brings them back to power? This pussy footing around the real problems is going to get the British nowhere.


9 posted on 07/25/2005 10:39:23 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: pau1f0rd

There were 1.63 million Muslims in the UK in 2001, according to the census that year (source: Wikipedia). More now, I presume.


10 posted on 07/25/2005 10:39:52 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: BMC1
"uncomfortable reality" that many terrorists were born or lived in the UK but had been taught to hate its culture..."

Actually, there are minorities here in the US with the same disaffection and actual hatred for us. They have no compunction in showing that to us whenever they can. It is time for AMERICANS to own their loyalties. If you are not happy where you are, leave. Very simple. No one is holding a gun to your head, making you stay.

For too long our enemies (at home and abroad) watched us flinch in the face of insults and attacks. Time for them to get used to the new America. This REMAINS a majority rule government.
11 posted on 07/25/2005 10:49:54 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: BMC1

Now Major gets a "pair".


12 posted on 07/25/2005 10:55:49 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: BMC1
He also called for more CCTV cameras to deter the threat....

The "Ruling Class" in both the UK and the USA need to learn the lesson that CCTV's do not "deter" those who are bent on using suicide as a tactic in their terror. The video only provides a historical record after the fact. If enough terrorists are traced back to their "Lairs" via CCTV, then they will take out the cameras first, just before they blow themselves up.

CCTV is to modern society what the Maginot Line was to the French.

13 posted on 07/25/2005 11:05:47 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: tomahawk

Muslims? Heck, if we did it here, we'd be rid of half the country.


14 posted on 07/25/2005 11:13:30 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SMARTY
Actually, there are minorities here in the US with the same disaffection and actual hatred for us.
They have no compunction in showing that to us whenever they can.

That's because if those who they express hatred to, were to respond in kind, those responding would be accused of a "Hate Crime". That's what hate crime legislation is designed to do, allow minority groups to do to majorities whatever they want with impunity. If hate crime legislation ever found itself standing before a wise SCOTUS, it would be unconstitutional by reason of violating equality before the law.

15 posted on 07/25/2005 11:22:48 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
Now Major gets a "pair".

Oh, he had it for a long time, and the third piece too. I was very surprised to find out that John Majors, the most boring, bland politician, was carrying on for many years a torrid affair with some fluffy, jumpy TV personality.

I will never be able to read people ...

16 posted on 07/25/2005 11:25:44 AM PDT by ConvictHitlery
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To: elbucko

Too true!


17 posted on 07/25/2005 11:29:24 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: pau1f0rd
We don't have millions of muslims in the uk. Not yet anyway.

You sure about that?

Check the sidebar of this article, which starts with "The majority of Britain’s two million Muslims are under 35..

18 posted on 07/25/2005 11:44:31 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: BMC1
There goes Tancredo.
19 posted on 07/25/2005 11:47:00 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: BMC1

[[People who "spit hate" at the British way of life should be deported, Tory former Prime Minister John Major said.]]

I have a better idea. How about 5 to the head, no questions asked? Openly spew hate against the country that opened it's doors to you and you get rewarded with 72 virgins.


20 posted on 07/25/2005 11:48:55 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: BMC1

But what country is going to be crazy enough to accept a half million deported British university professors?


21 posted on 07/25/2005 12:43:09 PM PDT by thoughtomator (How many liberties shall we give up to maintain the pretense that we are not at war with Islam?)
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To: BMC1
In Spain, the last Muslim stronghold of Greneda was taken in 1492. The Moors were forced to convert to Christianity or leave. The Moors who stayed were called Moriscons. They continued to create problems for Spain, and eventually were banished around 1600. At this time, Cervantes wrote Don Quixote . The character Ricote, a Moriscon, discusses their fate:

I knew of the base and extravagant designs which our people harboured, designs of such a nature that I think it was a divine inspiration that moved his Majesty to carry out a resolution so spirited; not that we were all guilty, for some there were true and steadfast Christians; but they were so few that they could make no head against those who were not; and it was not prudent to cherish a viper in the bosom by having enemies in the house. In short it was with just cause that we were visited with the penalty of banishment, a mild and lenient one in the eyes of some, but to us the most terrible that could be inflicted upon us.

True then, true now.

22 posted on 07/25/2005 1:05:45 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Cultural Jihad
There goes Tancredo.

There would also have went Ronald Reagan, according to your thinking, for using the term "Evil Empire" and announcing:

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."...

The statement above did not bring down on America the full might and fury of the Soviet Union, but gave them pause to contemplate that there was nothing to contemplate. Only persons who feared the calling of a spade a spade had their panties in a wad.

I presume you would enjoy having lunch with Dan Rather. c,nes pas?

23 posted on 07/25/2005 2:26:30 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Plutarch

Re: Your post #22, very well played. Salient points that escape the pacifists in our midst.


24 posted on 07/25/2005 2:33:23 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko

Ronald Reagan never tried to score cheap political points with racists and ignoramuses, nor did he hand over to terrorists any propaganda gifts.


25 posted on 07/25/2005 2:45:17 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Ronald Reagan never tried to score cheap political points with racists and ignoramuses, nor did he hand over to terrorists any propaganda gifts.

Actually Reagan did score points with conservatives (are all conservatives racist to you, they seem to be) and his enemies did use his radio announcement for propaganda. So what's your "intellectual angst" and dismay with Tancredo? You tend to arrive at your preconceived notions about everybody else with some heavy baggage of preconceived, personal, notions of your own.

26 posted on 07/25/2005 3:18:41 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko; Cultural Jihad
"You tend to arrive at your preconceived notions about everybody else with some heavy baggage of preconceived, personal, notions of your own."

Truer words have seldom been uttered on these threads. You should not expect much from this particular individual who is, after all, a proud member of FR's resident quisling contingent. Mere mention of the words "Tancredo" or "amnesty" causes them to race for the immigration threads. Pro-illegal alien enthusiasts, they never miss an opportunity to shamelessly flack for the cause. Most of this small gaggle of suspicious geese claim to be Republicans -- with their soft-on-illegals views, we know what they are not -- loyal American conservatives.

27 posted on 07/25/2005 3:35:53 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: elbucko

Of course, there was no atheistic Osama bin Ladensko committing mass murder against Americans while trying to claim that the West is out to destroy Orthodox Christianity, nor were there any Congressmen calling for the annihilation of Orthodox holy sites, nor any keyboard commando yahoos saying that all Orthodox are evil and how they all need to be killed.


28 posted on 07/25/2005 3:36:09 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: BMC1
Scanning the the word "muslim" from Major.....still scanning....NOPE.

Big p*ssy.

29 posted on 07/25/2005 3:37:19 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Czar
I don't know who this insinuation was intended for, but I for one proudly stand with our American and Republican President in this time of war. The quislings who shamelessly stand with the Nazis of StormFront would do well to do likewise for a change.
30 posted on 07/25/2005 3:38:50 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Czar
"Most of this small gaggle of suspicious geese claim to be Republicans -- with their soft-on-illegals views, we know what they are not -- loyal American conservatives."

I'd say "traitors," but why split hairs ;-)

31 posted on 07/25/2005 3:40:50 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Cultural Jihad
You're not fooling anyone. We know exactly where you stand.

And it isn't with loyal American conservatives.

32 posted on 07/25/2005 3:42:52 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: SMARTY
Actually, there are minorities here in the US with the same disaffection and actual hatred for us.

Here is their meeting place:


33 posted on 07/25/2005 3:45:00 PM PDT by Shazbot29 (If you paid attention you'd be worried, too!)
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To: BMC1

Doesn't a British Prime Minister have any similar executive powers to an American President, including the ability to deport people on a national security or military basis?


34 posted on 07/25/2005 3:47:45 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Czar

It isn't I who boasts to be "FedUpToTheTeeth" at America's leadership in a time of war.


35 posted on 07/25/2005 3:49:05 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: BMC1
I disagree with Mr. Major on principle. It is degrading and destructive to a free society to use the legal system to single out people for their views in this manner.

However, I find it 100% justified to kill such people as an act of self defense in their delcared war on human civilization.

You can't pervert the law that way. They declare war they get war, not "legal proceedings." It fails to provide the dignity they deserve.

Burial in pig fat accomplishes that.

36 posted on 07/25/2005 3:50:31 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: BMC1
For non citizens in Britain and for non citizens in America, and for non citizens in the rest of Europe, and for non citizens in Australia... Kick them out of the country when they are spitting hate, and take great care to see if their family feels the same way. If so, remove them as well.
37 posted on 07/25/2005 3:52:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BMC1
Deport all who 'spit hate' - Major

How are they planning to deport those at the BBC... ;p

38 posted on 07/25/2005 3:55:49 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: F16Fighter
The British should turn to the COURAGEOUS and TRUTHFUL WORDS and WARNING about the insidiousness of the Muslim faith written by their own late GREAT Sir Winston Churchill!!

This man knew a SHUNK when he ran into it...and LABLED IT for what it was.

Sir Winston Churchill on the hideous practices of Muslims:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
[ This next sentence really nails it down! ]
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Just WOW!
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

39 posted on 07/25/2005 3:56:41 PM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: F16Fighter
The British should turn to the COURAGEOUS and TRUTHFUL WORDS and WARNING about the insidiousness of the Muslim faith written by their own late GREAT Sir Winston Churchill!!

This man knew a SHUNK when he ran into it...and LABLED IT for what it was.

Sir Winston Churchill on the hideous practices of Muslims:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
[ This next sentence really nails it down! ]
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Just WOW!
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

40 posted on 07/25/2005 3:57:14 PM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: Republic
Great post...

Churchill knew Islam was poison to civilization long ago.

41 posted on 07/25/2005 4:02:22 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Czar; Cultural Jihad
"You're not fooling anyone. We know exactly where you stand."

Aye...

We ALL know exactly where cultural jihad stands.

42 posted on 07/25/2005 4:04:58 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Czar; Cultural Jihad
Most of this small gaggle of suspicious geese claim to be Republicans..

I picked up on that with one of his "you must be a racist if you don't support illegal immigration" kind of posts. He/she likes to attempt to intimidate with contemptuous replies, but screams "racist" when one returns a reply of equivalent contempt. There is also another one who posts an avatar of a suit of armor and the battle cry of the Knights Templar along with his post. What a hoot! It's a wonder his mother lets him out of his room (or not)?

Be-that-as-it-may, I think that they all came from the dark side of the moon and will, one day, grow tired of their Crusade for the Illegals and extreme tolerance for extreme Islamists.

43 posted on 07/25/2005 4:18:41 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Cultural Jihad
Of course, there was no atheistic Osama bin Ladensko committing mass murder against Americans while trying to claim that the West is out to destroy Orthodox Christianity,...

No, there were just communists, whose politics is a religion similar extreme to Islam, who promised to "bury our children" in a speech in the UN. You like the UN, don't you, Jihad.

nor were there any Congressmen calling for the annihilation of Orthodox holy sites,..

I believe that "B-1" Bob Dornan was willing to blow up just about anything that had to do with communisim and communists, orthodox or not.

nor any keyboard commando yahoos saying that all Orthodox are evil and how they all need to be killed.

There was not a public Internet at the time, so that charge is one of your usual red herrings. However, had there been one, "keyboard commando yahoos", such as yourself, would have been apologizing for the deficiencies of socialism.

44 posted on 07/25/2005 4:36:14 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: montag813

There is actually a precedent in English history for the deportation of an entire race or group of people. In 1290 an Act of the King in Council was approved that required the expulsion of all Jews. It was enacted on July 18th and the county sheriffs were required to make sure that all Jews had departed by November 1st. The total number of Jews that left were about 16,000. There is no record any significant number of Jews who remained in England. In 1655, Oliver Cromwell allowed the Jews to return, subject to good behavior, but the prior expulsion law was never repealed. It was not until 1753 that Parliament enacted the Jew Bill under which Jews were permitted to become naturalized citizens. Under the present British system of government, the House of Commons would have to pass a bill ordering a general Muslim expulsion or deportation. It would then have to be approved by the House of Lords, and finally it would have to receive the Royal Assent from the Queen before it could become effective. It is unlikely that the present Labour Party would move such a bill, since their ability to remain in power depends, in part, on continuing to receive Muslim votes.


45 posted on 07/25/2005 4:40:43 PM PDT by HuronMan
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To: HuronMan
Under the present British system of government, the House of Commons would have to pass a bill ordering a general Muslim expulsion or deportation

i was not really referring to a wholesale deportation of Muslims, but simply the deportation of radical Imams who call for terror attacks or threaten public officials. That particular Imam comes to mind, who Britons want out, but the administration says that their hands are tied because of "civil rights laws" (bans the deportation of someone who might conceivably face torture in their home country...this Imam in question is Syrian). Blair does not have executive authority to deport a single Imam?

46 posted on 07/25/2005 4:44:37 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
I remember reading on another thread that the UK would have to abrogate the EU convention on human rights, or some such treaty, in order to deport someone to their previous country if that person had been admitted as an asylum seeker or political refugee.
47 posted on 07/25/2005 4:52:35 PM PDT by HuronMan
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To: montag813
I remember reading on another thread that the UK would have to abrogate the EU convention on human rights, or some such treaty, in order to deport someone to their previous country if that person had been admitted as an asylum seeker or political refugee.
48 posted on 07/25/2005 4:53:09 PM PDT by HuronMan
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To: BMC1
Or, as our resident appeasers would put it:

"JOHN MAJOR IS GIVING PROPAGANDA POINTS TO THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!"

Speak up, Mr. Major. Speak loud and speak often.

49 posted on 07/25/2005 4:56:21 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Plutarch

"To: BMC1
In Spain, the last Muslim stronghold of Greneda was taken in 1492. The Moors were forced to convert to Christianity or leave. The Moors who stayed were called Moriscons. They continued to create problems for Spain, and eventually were banished around 1600. At this time, Cervantes wrote Don Quixote . The character Ricote, a Moriscon, discusses their fate:...I knew of the base and extravagant designs which our people harboured, designs of such a nature that I think it was a divine inspiration that moved his Majesty to carry out a resolution so spirited; not that we were all guilty, for some there were true and steadfast Christians; but they were so few that they could make no head against those who were not; and it was not prudent to cherish a viper in the bosom by having enemies in the house. In short it was with just cause that we were visited with the penalty of banishment, a mild and lenient one in the eyes of some, but to us the most terrible that could be inflicted upon us. True then, true now."

This is fascinating. Can I get the precise source of this?


50 posted on 07/25/2005 4:57:34 PM PDT by quesney
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