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Joseph Wilson, The UN, and Iraq's WMDs
James M.

Posted on 07/25/2005 8:08:58 PM PDT by JRM-2M6

Senate Intelligence Committee : Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador’s trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts’ assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.”

Iraq has a Nuclear Program
"source: The Un" IAEA fact sheet on Iraqi nuclear programme 1997 Iraqs nuclear program doing well
"source: The Un" IAEA : nuclear ambitions after gulf war 1998 Iraq nuclear program still
"source: The Un" IAEA : iraq progessing in nuclear programme 1999 Iraq, no Nuke program HUH?
"source: The Un" IAEA : iraq has no nuclear programme 2004 US removing weapons grade materials
"source: The Un" US removes weapons grade material that Iraq didn't have

CIA: september 2004
CIA: Iraq's WMD - Nuclear

Granted that Mr Wilson was correct in saying that the document he saw was in fact a forgery. But , to push the charge that the document he reffered to was the basis for us going to war , was not only a lie but an act of treason. Mr Wilson himself has never said that iraq never sought uranium from niger, only that they were unsuccessfull in there request. Mr Wilson was sent only to verify "iraq sought yellow cake uranium from niger" and Mr. Wilson report did confirm as much(According to Mr Wilson himself). The Bush Administration has never claimed that iraq purchased yellowcake uranium, only that Iraq sought it from niger. So when Mr Wilson intentionally and publicly claimed that this President decieved congress by using fake documents to justify invading iraq "he absolutely lied" .... And that in my opinion is Treason.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cialeak; iraq; joseph; un; wilson; wmd
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To: Shermy
(and they seem talkative)

I think she's spilled her guts to him since the third date when she blew her own cover to him.

41 posted on 07/25/2005 9:46:22 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: MJY1288

bttt


43 posted on 07/25/2005 9:47:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MJY1288


That is GOOD to know!


44 posted on 07/25/2005 9:47:52 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS)) Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: MJY1288; kcvl

I am going to catch hell for this again, but I heard that that "memo" was floating around Foggy Bottom for at least a month before Powell carried it on Air Force One.

And I still say HE is the biggest self-serving leaker in D.C.


45 posted on 07/25/2005 9:47:56 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

"What was Andrea Mitchell doing with them?"

I've asked that for two years.

Perhaps the answer is MJY1288's, that the documents were posted on a UN website related to its report on the documents.

I find that surprising. I've never heard they were posted and if they were I would think copies would be all over the internet.


46 posted on 07/25/2005 9:48:45 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: STARWISE

bttt


47 posted on 07/25/2005 9:49:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Shermy

It was a public report just like his presentation


48 posted on 07/25/2005 9:49:37 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: nightowl

Oh oh................


49 posted on 07/25/2005 9:50:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Shermy

I believe they were posted on the State Dept's website as well. They had names of Niger officials who were dead before the date of their signature


50 posted on 07/25/2005 9:55:33 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: MJY1288

Powell...again?


51 posted on 07/25/2005 9:56:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MJY1288
I don't think he is that smart

He ran with diplomats, foreign agents, govt. officials for years ... ya never know. The whole deal could've been contrived by the French or the Saudis and fed through the Italians ...nothing would surprise me. So where IS Woodward??? This is "Deep BIG Mouth."

52 posted on 07/25/2005 10:00:15 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: Howlin

Here's a timeline from the information in the Repubblica piece, "The Voyage of the false papers between Rome, London and Washington" by Carlo Bonini, published July 19, 2003:

January 2, 2001 - Break in at the Niger Embassy in Rome.

"Staying with the Italian version of the affair, we should turn back the calendar of this story to the fall of 2001, to Rome, to the fifth floor of Via Badaimonti 10, site of the Nigerian embassy, where -it may be recalled- "it all began" with a singular burglary reported on January second." (6th paragraph)

January 31, 2001 - Second break-in at the Niger Embassy.

"Well, to this theft there followed a second. January 31, Adam Maiga Zakariou, functionary of the embassy, returns to his apartment only to discover it has been turned upside down by a break-in. The bars on a window have been ripped out. The bedroom and living room -notes the report of the Trionfale company of carabinieri- have ben put in disarray. Zakariou explains to the carabinieri that "a watch of modest value and two women's rings" are missing. ..." (7th paragraph)

Fall (October?) 2001 - Sismi (Italian Intelligence Service) is in possession of the forged Niger papers and shares the information contained in them with MI6 and US intelligence.

..."And just as certainly, -(La Repubblica has given the account in the past days)- that the information contained in those papers are the common property of the Italian, British and American intelligence services since the Fall of 2001, when the useless scraps of paper are cooked up in Rome." (3rd paragraph)

October 2002 - Italian journalist(s) receive copies of the forged Niger documents from an "ex official of the [Italian] military services"

"In the Fall of 2002, indeed, the papers assembled a year earlier in Rome by confidential sources close to Sismi, and already acquired by Mi6, had returned in circulation. And not only in the embassies. "The false dossier -writes Il Giornale- built upon the base of the same original indications worked by Sismi, purified of final conclusions, assembled with paper documentation not real but not unlikely, is presumably distributed by an ex official of the military services to one or more Italian journalists who, once the appropriate verifications (even in Niger) had been made, would have decided to not publish it at all." Panorama confirms: "a set of six pages began to circulate (...) The dossier even wound up in the editorial offices of some newspapers, who did nothing with them". (2nd paragraph)

October 2002 - Italian journalist(s) bring the forged Niger documents to the US Embassy in Rome.

Reached by La Repubblica, a qualified source from the American administration tells the story this way: "If someone wrote that, in October of 2002, a journalist was the "confidential source" that delivered the false dossier on Uranium trafficking to our embassy in Rome and that this journalist was Italian, the circumstance would be hard to deny". The journalist didn't ask for money. Quite simply, he told his interlocutors that he was occupied with an inquiry, that he had received the documents form sources credibly close to Italian intelligence services, and that he needed to verify their questionable quality and foundation.

October, 2002 - US embassy in Rome forwards the documents

...It is certain, however, as confirmed last Thursday by the State Department, that the embassy in Rome transmitted the papers to Washington abstaining from any judgement as to their reliability." (1st paragraph)

Certainly, therefore, in October of 2002, the false dossier is in the possession of Sismi, the US embassy, an indeterminate number of journalists in Rome, Mi6, the CIA and the State Department in Washington. ...(2nd paragraph)


53 posted on 07/25/2005 10:04:17 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: STARWISE

The document was such a porly done forgery that I seriously doubt it was part of a serious plan to undrmine this Administration. I firmly believe a few low level entrenched political hacks are behind this. No serious Intel agancy would use such an obvious forgery, the document in question could never be passed along as a legit concern


54 posted on 07/25/2005 10:04:33 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: kcvl

bttt


55 posted on 07/25/2005 10:05:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: kcvl

I read somewhere that our Embassy in Rome paid $200 for it


56 posted on 07/25/2005 10:07:22 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: okie01; MJY1288

Wasn't that an Italian reporter who was a hostage in Iraq and then killed as she was being rescued ... shot by Coalition forces when signals got crossed that she was coming through the checkpoint?


57 posted on 07/25/2005 10:07:29 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: STARWISE

And I just recall now that she was considered very liberal.


58 posted on 07/25/2005 10:07:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: kcvl
Certainly, therefore, in October of 2002, the false dossier is in the possession of Sismi, the US embassy, an indeterminate number of journalists in Rome, Mi6, the CIA and the State Department in Washington. ...(2nd paragraph)

I'll bet that thing landed on her desk!

59 posted on 07/25/2005 10:08:52 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: STARWISE

That reporter lived, it was an Itilian Intel guy that was killed


60 posted on 07/25/2005 10:09:42 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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