Larry Johnson, Daniel Ellsberg & The Truth Telling Project --Pleading For Intel Leaks

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[Sam Hill]

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For Immediate Release
September 22, 2004

11 FORMER AND CURRENT US AND UK GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ISSUE LETTER
SUPPORTING DANISH WHISTLEBLOWER FRANK GREVIL

Frank Grevil’s press contact is: Tom Clark tclark@tiscali.dk
home (+45) 4444 1343
work (+45) 4452 6447
mobile (+45) 4095 0574 or (+45) 6062 1763

OPEN LETTER TO THE DANISH GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC:

We, the undersigned citizens of the United States and the United Kingdom, have recently come to learn of the criminal proceedings against our Danish fellow truth-teller, Mr. Frank Grevil.

As his case has been presented to us, Mr. Grevil is formally being accused of leaking three classified “threat assessments” to a Danish newspaper in January/February 2004, in order to substantiate claims made verbatim to the same newspaper. These documents demonstrated that his employer at the time, the Danish Defense Intelligence Service, provided unbalanced intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction prior to the decision of the Danish Parliament to join the so-called "Coalition of the Willing" in March 2003. These documents also showed how the Service—due to its lack of sources—based its threat assessments almost entirely upon similar assessments provided by intelligence agencies in the United States and the United Kingdom, the content of which later turned out to be based on bad intelligence and in some cases even fabricated information.

We have learned that the Danish Parliament has recently taken actions to enhance parliamentary control over the intelligence service, which are clearly attributable to Mr. Grevil's revelations. This lends great credibility to his claims, which deserve in our opinion credit for serving the public interest rather than punishment.

What Mr. Grevil has undertaken reflects in many ways what we have done in our respective countries. With this letter, we want to draw attention to the important role that unauthorized truth-telling plays in a democratic state. In our experience, the proper chain of command often does not work to correct corruption, crimes, lies, cover-ups, or incompetence within state agencies. Disclosing documents without authorization is frequently the only way to expose these abuses or to substantiate verbal allegations about them to the press.

We strongly recommend reevaluating Mr. Grevil's case on the basis that his deed was done unselfishly and conscientiously, in order to strengthen democracy, and government transparency, and true national security.

SIGNATORIES

John H. Brown, Former Foreign Service Officer

Edward Costello, Former Special Agent (Counterintelligence), Federal Bureau of Investigation

Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist, Federal Bureau of Investigation

Daniel Ellsberg, Former official, U.S. Departments of Defense and State

Katharine Gun, Former translator, GCHG, UK

Larry Johnson, Former Deputy Director for Anti-Terrorism Assistance, Transportation Security, and Special Operations, Department of State, Office of the Coordinator for Counter-Terrorism

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatowski (karen@militaryweek.com), recently retired from service in the Pentagon’s Office of Near East planning

Ray McGovern, Former Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency

Coleen Rowley, Special Agent, Federal Bureau of Investigation.

(Clarification of Coleen Rowley's Signature: "I have signed this letter in support of Danish Major Frank Grevil in my personal capacity and not as a representative of the FBI. I wish to further clarify my view that the propriety of 'unauthorized disclosures,' such as the one Major Grevil made, is limited to only the narrowest of circumstances, to dire situations involving truly unlawful, unconstitutional or deceptive actions on the part of higher government officials entailing life and death consequences, for example, the My Lai massacre or the Abu Ghraib torture incidents. In less serious situations, I believe that the proper and most constructive way of bringing concerns and problems to light is through chain of command and other institutional mechanisms such as Inspector Generals.")

Philip G. Vargas, Ph.D., J.D., Former Director, Privacy & Confidentiality Study, Commission on Federal Paperwork

Ann Wright, Retired Army Reserve Colonel, Former Deputy Ambassador, Mongolia

[Sam Hill]

As we know from their VIPS work, our heros, Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern (et al.) have no qualms about leaking classified information (which could put covert agents in peril) when it suits their anti-American agenda.

[Sam Hill]

Some more of their noble works for the cause of treason:

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9/19/04	The Truth Must Out by Katharine Gun, The Observer (UK)
9/15/04	Iraq Whistleblower Starts Support Group Reuters
9/14/04	Whistle-blower urges more secrets BBC News
9/14/04	Whistleblower at GCHG offers help The Telegraph (UK)
9/12/04	Follow my lead, says whistleblower The Observer (UK)
9/9/04	Ellsberg urges insiders to leak Iraq Info Associated Press
9/9/04	Whistleblowers urge workers to disclose classified information GovExec.com
9/9/04	International War Whistleblowers Tell Why They Exposed Their Governments Democracy Now
9/9/04	ACLU: Free Legal Help for Whistleblowers United Press International

 

Truth-Telling Project Press Releases

9/9/04	Whistleblowers Call for Disclosure of Government's Iraq Deceit
9/9/04	ACLU Offers Legal Counsel to Government Whistleblowers; Calls on Congress to Adopt Whistleblower Protection Legislation
9/9/04	Statement from Danielle Brian, Executive Director of the Project on Governmental Secrecy, on the Whistleblower Call for Truth

[kublia khan]

I saw all I needed to see when I saw Ellsburgs signature on it.

[MJY1288]

Be careful fella, Larry Johnson might threaten to show up at your door with his buddies :-)

This Larry Johnson A hole is turning out to be a rank amateur and an even worse political hack

[kesg]

[MJY1288]

Great thread by the way. I read most of what you posted today on this issue and you have obviously done your homework, cause I have been following this story since it began as well, and this whole thing started when Joe Wilson signed on to the Kerry Campaign and when Fitzpatrick is done investigating this so called Karl Rove scandal, I believe the Kerry Campaign officials will be in the hot seat

[MJY1288]

Ping

[kcvl]

bttt

[Sam Hill]

This is really the call to action that got this particular loathesome operation going. Again, notice Johnson, McGovern and the usual traitors--the very same who are sheddign crocodile tears about the Plame leak:

A Call to Patriotic Whistleblowing

September 9, 2004 . Washington, DC

 It is time for unauthorized truth-telling.

Citizens cannot make informed choices if they do not have the facts--for example, the facts that have been wrongly concealed about the ongoing war in Iraq: the real reasons behind it, the prospective costs in blood and treasure, and the setback it has dealt to efforts to stem terrorism. Administration deception and cover-up on these vital matters has so far been all too successful in misleading the public. Also See:
TruthTellingProject.org Many Americans are too young to remember Vietnam. Then, as now, senior government officials did not tell the American people the truth. Now, as then, insiders who know better have kept their silence, as the country was misled into the most serious foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

Some of you have documentation of wrongly concealed facts and analyses that--if brought to light--would impact heavily on public debate regarding crucial matters of national security, both foreign and domestic. We urge you to provide that information now, both to Congress and, through the media, to the public.

Thanks to our First Amendment, there is in America no broad Officials Secrets Act, nor even a statutory basis for the classification system. Only very rarely would it be appropriate to reveal information of the three types whose disclosure has been expressly criminalized by Congress: communications intelligence, nuclear data, and the identity of US intelligence operatives. However, this administration has stretched existing criminal laws to cover other disclosures in ways never contemplated by Congress.

There is a growing network of support for whistleblowers. In particular, for anyone who wishes to know the legal implications of disclosures they may be contemplating, the ACLU stands ready to provide pro bono legal counsel, with lawyer-client privilege. The Project on Government Oversight (POGO) will offer advice on whistleblowing, dissemination and relations with the media.

Needless to say, any unauthorized disclosure that exposes your superiors to embarrassment entails personal risk. Should you be identified as the source, the price could be considerable, including loss of career and possibly even prosecution. Some of us know from experience how difficult it is to countenance such costs. But continued silence brings an even more terrible cost, as our leaders persist in a disastrous course and young Americans come home in coffins or with missing limbs.

This is precisely what happened at this comparable stage in the Vietnam War. Some of us live with profound regret that we did not at that point expose the administration's dishonesty and perhaps prevent the needless slaughter of 50,000 more American troops and some 2 to 3 million Vietnamese over the next ten years. We know how misplaced loyalty to bosses, agencies, and careers can obscure the higher allegiance all government officials owe the Constitution, the sovereign public, and the young men and women put in harm's way. We urge you to act on those higher loyalties.

A hundred forty thousand young Americans are risking their lives every day in Iraq for dubious purpose. Our country has urgent need of comparable moral courage from its public officials. Truth-telling is a patriotic and effective way to serve the nation. The time for speaking out is now.

SIGNATORIES

Edward Costello, Former Special Agent (Counterintelligence), Federal Bureau of Investigation

Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist, Federal Bureau of Investigation

Daniel Ellsberg, Former official, U.S. Departments of Defense and State

John D. Heinberg, Former Economist, Employment and Training Administration, U.S. Department of Labor

Larry C. Johnson, Former Deputy Director for Anti-Terrorism Assistance, Transportation Security, and Special Operations, Department of
State, Office of the Coordinator for Counter Terrorism

John Brady Kiesling, Former Political Counselor, U.S. Embassy, Athens, Department of State

David MacMichael, Former Senior Estimates Officer, National Intelligence Council, Central Intelligence Agency

Ray McGovern, Former Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency

Philip G. Vargas, Ph.D., J.D., Dir. Privacy & Confidentiality Study, Commission on Federal Paperwork (Author/Director: "The Vargas
Report on Government Secrecy"--CENSORED)

Ann Wright, Retired U.S. Army Reserve Colonel and U.S. Foreign Service Officer

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatowski, recently retired from service in the Pentagon's Office of Near East planning

[DoughtyOne]

Ellsberg should still be rotting in prison for his efforts in the late 60s. Now he wants to urge others to follow in his footsteps.

Isn't there sedition statutes or other charges the government could bring against these idiots?

[grey_whiskers]

SIGNATORIES

(snip)

John D. Heinberg, Former Economist, Employment and Training Administration, U.S. Department of Labor

Anti-Lame-Signature Sarcasm Torpedo ARMED. FIRE!!

Pardon my French, but WTF is an economist from the US Department of Labor doing here? Is he some left-over Marxist plant or a Union thug?

Cheers!

[Sam Hill]

Larry C. Johnson says:

"Thanks to our First Amendment, there is in America no broad Officials Secrets Act, nor even a statutory basis for the classification system."

So if nothing is classified how the hell do you have a leak, Larry?

So glad the DNC has annointed this traitor and pathological liar as their spokesman. So perfect.

[Sam Hill]

Larry C. Johnson says:

"There is a growing network of support for whistleblowers. In particular, for anyone who wishes to know the legal implications of disclosures they may be contemplating, the ACLU stands ready to provide pro bono legal counsel, with lawyer-client privilege."

Thank God for the ACLU. Always ready to pitch in and help traitors, no matter the cost.

Say, did they offer to help Rove or Libby--even though we know now they leaked nothing. But does the ACLU know that?

[Sam Hill]

The Truth-Telling Project: A Call to Patriotic Whistleblowing

ACLU Offers Legal Counsel to Government Whistleblowers; Calls on Congress to Adopt Whistleblower Protection Legislation

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 9, 2004

CONTACT: Paul Silva, ACLU
(212) 549-2689 or 2666

WASHINGTON—At a press conference held by prominent government whistleblowers, the American Civil Liberties Union today announced that it will provide legal counsel to federal employees who may want to come forward to expose government wrongdoing or cover-ups.

“Government employees who risk their careers to expose deception and misconduct are true American patriots,” said Ann Beeson, ACLU Associate Legal Director. “The ACLU stands ready to provide legal support and advice to individuals who want to reveal evidence of wrongdoing by the government.”

The ACLU issued its announcement at a press conference sponsored by Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and his organization, the Truth-Telling Project. The press conference also featured comments from CIA whistleblower Ray McGovern and FBI whistleblowers Sibel Edmonds and Coleen Rowley.

According to the ACLU, whistleblowers need legal counsel because they may lose their jobs or even face criminal prosecution for exposing government wrongdoing. The ACLU has established a special e-mail address to respond to inquiries from potential whistleblowers, whistleblower@aclu.org, and will shortly launch a hotline as well.

http://www.ellsberg.net/truthtellingproject/content/aclu.html

[STARWISE]

Is this the Anarchists International Support Group or what? I just can't believe they're being this blatant .. as if they don't risk charges of treason and sedition with what they're encouraging government employees to do here. What do they know that we don't know?? What makes them think they're insulated from prosecution?

[Sam Hill]

"Is this the Anarchists International Support Group or what? I just can't believe they're being this blatant .. as if they don't risk charges of treason and sedition with what they're encouraging government employees to do here. What do they know that we don't know?? What makes them think they're insulated from prosecution?"

Well, Ellsberg is a hero. So I guess they feel like they have nothing to worry about.

They've been doing this for years.

But it is pretty shocking, isn't it? We are at war. They are begging for people to break the law--to hurt this country's war effort.

How that is not sedition or treason, I don't know. I suspect at any other time prior, or any other country, they would be strung up.

They are traitors, pure and simple.

[clee1]

Be careful fella, Larry Johnson might threaten to show up at your door with his buddies :-)

I wish he would! It would be his very final mistake.

[MJY1288]

What I am worrying about now is that all this info coming out so fast, isn't just a smoke screen to hide the real criminals.

[MJY1288]

Larry Johnson is a Punk by anyone's standards. That hair lipped loser has some nerve threatening a fellow freeper simply because he was caught in a lie.

[doug from upland]

I thought Ellsberg was dead. Darn.

[Sam Hill]

The left will never let him die.

[Sam Hill]

Larry C. Johnson says:

"Some of you have documentation of wrongly concealed facts and analyses that--if brought to light--would impact heavily on public debate regarding crucial matters of national security, both foreign and domestic. We urge you to provide that information now, both to Congress and, through the media, to the public."

But not if this means correcting a lie, such as "Dick Cheney sent me to Niger."

[STARWISE]

And where were they when Clinton was leading US into this abyss??

** Where were they when Clinton's Senior Military Aide, Col. Buzz Patterson, was rightfully trying to interrupt Clinton's golf game per Berger's insistence on the phone that a critical target was in sight and they needed his ok ... only to be rebuked with impatience .. with the optimum strike time lost, and with lives and this country's security on the line?

** Where were they when Clinton ignored his presidential obligations to the troops fighting in Kosovo, so he could indulge himself in pathetic sexual romps on the job?

** Where were they when he sold the White House and our security to the foreign agents?

** Where were they when Bernard Schwartz (Loral) gave millions to Clinton for the green light to transfer our priceless technology to the Chinese?

** Where were they when Clinton disemboweled our military force strength and integrity and hamstrung our intelligence agencies?

** Where were they when the 900 FBI files went "missing?"

** Where were they when utter and abject presidential incompetence occurred in the handling of the mission in Somalia, with disasterous results, and giving OBL the perception that we could be rolled .. we were cowards??

How do I define the revulsion their hypercritical, meglomaniacal and dangerous self-serving actions provoke? Let me count the ways.....

[Southack]

So Ellsberg is breaking his decades of silence.

OK.

That's going to bring up skeletons that the Democrats thought were buried long ago.

[STARWISE]

We urge you to provide that information now, both to Congress

Whattajoke ... why didn't they just accurately complete the sentence .. "Democrat members of Congress" ... like spies who have decided to forego their sworn oath to protect us from enemies from without and within will approach a Pubbie .. jeesh .. they are lunatics and they think we're that dumb!

[Mo1]

Coleen Rowley ???

Isn't she the one the Dems thought was the smoking gun that would bring down Bush

That is till she started talking at the hearing and sounded like a fool??

Also .. isn't she running for some elected office?

[Mo1]

Larry Johnson is a Punk by anyone's standards

Yep!

[Sam Hill]

Yes, this is the dweeb with the "bombshell memo" to the FBI. It was quite a piffle.

And, yeah, she's running, Democratic-Farmer-Labor candidate for US Representative from Minnesota's 2nd Congressional District (aka Communists):

Coleen Rowley will work to change Congress for Minnesota, the United States and the World

[Sam Hill]

"Clarification of Coleen Rowley's Signature: "I have signed this letter in support of Danish Major Frank Grevil in my personal capacity and not as a representative of the FBI. I wish to further clarify my view that the propriety of 'unauthorized disclosures,' such as the one Major Grevil made, is limited to only the narrowest of circumstances, to dire situations involving truly unlawful, unconstitutional or deceptive actions on the part of higher government officials entailing life and death consequences, for example, the My Lai massacre or the Abu Ghraib torture incidents."

Say no more.

[Darkwolf377]

So the left likes whistleblowing, and they want those who blow the whistles put in jail. Oh, wait, they don't, they want all whistleblowers praised except Karl Rove, just because.

[STARWISE]

This is SO calculated, orchestrated and comprehensive .. it's stunning. Can't figure out if it's to protect or just rabble rouse for the DesperadoDims and lay the groundwork for 2008. The reason doesn't even matter .. it's that IT'S HAPPENING right in front of our eyes, even while a US Attorney has a Grand Jury empaneled and they're publicly encouraging treason! It's stupifying!

I honestly believe that a lot of it is the busted egos and noses completely out of joint from Goss's reorganization ... I think this has hit them hard .. real hard. They've been the elite class for years .. civil servants, protected, arrogant, cocky and controlling. They're holding onto the shreds of their former grandeur. They've been shown the door, marginalized .. their egos are pierced, and the resentment is palpable.

It's just like the Dims .. in power for FORTY YEARS .. and then trashed .. empires lost .. and they realize the prestige and standing they've lost, and now there's desperation .. bitterness .. lashing out to recover that gloss and glitter at ANY cost.

I DO NOT underestimate the Dim PACS and supporters .. they're supplying the $$ for the resources these traitors need... and there's millions and millions of dollars available to anyone who can help facilitate the downfall and destruction of George W. Bush.

Moveon.org - Relationships with Other Organizations

Financial contributors

The San Francisco Foundation Community Initiative Funds, a 501(c)(3) organization affiliated with the San Francisco Foundation, began serving as a fiscal sponsor for MoveOn in 2000, providing a channel through which individuals can make directed, tax-exempt donations to support its work. In 2001, SFFCIF's IRS Form 990 (available from GuideStar.org) show that it provided MoveOn with $17,698 in funding.

Other financial supporters of MoveOn include Iraq Peace Fund, an effort of the Tides Foundation ((((ONE OF TEREZZA HUNT'S FAVORITE CAUSES)))
Richard & Rhoda Goldman Fund

MoveOn's spending as an advocacy group is listed at Open Secrets: Advocacy Group Spending ("data is based on records released by the Internal Revenue Service on Monday, March 08, 2004").

In late 2003, Moveon.org became the subject of controversy when it was discovered that websites outside the United States had been set up for non-US citizens to make donations to MoveOn for the explicit purpose of defeating Bush in the 2004 presidential elections.

Under U.S. law, a presidential campaign cannot legally accept foreign donations. While MoveOn is not bound by this restriction, it nonetheless chose not to accept any more funds from overseas to avoid the perception of impropriety. It has not disclosed how much money it received from overseas before shutting these avenues down.

According to the March 10, 2004, Washington Post, "The Democratic 527 organizations have drawn support from some wealthy liberals determined to defeat Bush. They include financier George Soros and his wife, Susan Weber Soros, who gave $5 million to America Coming Together (ACT) and $1.46 million to MoveOn.org; Peter B. Lewis, chief executive of the Progressive Corp., who gave $3 million to ACT and $500,000 to MoveOn; and Linda Pritzker, of the Hyatt hotel family, and her Sustainable World Corp., who gave $4 million to the joint fundraising committee

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And no one comes close to the venom and vitriol of George Soros, nor has anyone else got the disposable funds to finance his obsession: the destruction of George W. Bush:

Soros: Bush Administration

According to Bloomberg news, September 28, 2002, George Soros said that "the final straw came on June 1, 2002, when U.S. President George W. Bush stepped before 989 graduating officers at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, New York, and changed American foreign policy. The U.S., the president said, would now take offensive military action against any country that it suspected of posing a terrorist threat, a strategy later dubbed the Bush Doctrine."

Soros said the Bush administration "violated human rights and damaged American security by invading Iraq and deposing the regime of Saddam Hussein. 'The idea that we can impose our will on the world is really just the wrong idea,'" he said, vowing "to do everything in his power to prevent Bush from winning re-election.

He "joined forces with Democratic Party allies in organized labor, the environmental movement and women's groups ... [and, in] July 2003, Soros kick-started a network of nonprofit political organizations with an $18.5 million contribution."

According to Byron Wien, senior investment strategist at Morgan Stanley and a close Soros friend, "George was violent on this before a Democratic candidate was even chosen, ... It was anybody but Bush." [2] (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=nifea&&sid=aVPlVg8vm8wg)

[edit]Soros: American Supremacy In a March 14, 2003, Op-Ed, Soros compared the Bush administration's "pursuit of American supremacy" to "a boom-bust process or bubble in the stock market." Both, he argued, "have a solid basis in reality but reality is distorted by misconception. In this case, the dominant position of the US is the reality, the pursuit of supremacy the misconception. Reality can reinforce the misconception but eventually the gap between reality and its false interpretation becomes unsustainable. During the self-reinforcing phase, the misconception may be tested and reinforced. This widens the gap leading to an eventual reversal. The later it comes, the more devastating the consequences." [3] (http://www.soros.org/resources/articles_publications/articles/sorosonbush_20030314)

In his book The Bubble of American Supremacy: Correcting the Misuse of American Power, Soros writes that "the Bush administration's foreign policy plans come from the same sort of 'bubble' psychology afflicting U.S. markets in the late 1990s. He says they have used a real fact, overwhelming military supremacy of the United States, to create a deluded worldview that might makes right and 'you're either with us or against us,' in the same way the recent boom used a real fact, the growth in technology, to lead to a delusion, the 'new economy.'" [4] (http://www.ceip.org/files/events/events.asp?EventID=664)

[edit]Soros: War in Iraq

Soros ran full-page ads in major U.S. newspapers challenging the honesty of the Bush administration's case for waging war in Iraq. Ads in The New York Times, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and the Houston Chronicle were titled "When the nation goes to war, the people deserve the truth." Reuters, July 25, 2003 (http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/072703I.shtml).

[edit]Soros: Funding the Opposition

The December 1, 2003, USA Today quoted Soros's worth at "about $7 billion," of which Soros had pledged "$15.5 million to anti-Bush, anti-conservative groups ... giving $10 million to Americans Coming Together, $2.5 million to MoveOn.org, and $3 million to the Center for American Progress." Soros was then in the process of "writing his own anti-Bush book. The Bubble of American Supremacy, a critique of the president's foreign policy," which hit bookstores in January 2004. [5] (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=676&ncid=676&e=7&u=/usatoday/20031201/ts_usatoday/12043608)

[edit]Quotes "'If we assess the foreign policy accomplishments of the Bush administration since Sept. 11, the scorecard is quite dismal,' Soros said. 'There are some people in the Bush administration who have the same mentality as Arafat or Sharon. I can name names, like Ashcroft, Cheney and Rumsfeld, although that is considered impolite.'" --George Soros April 9, 2002 (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/personal_finance/3026933.htm).

"'Although the terrorist threat is real, and we must defend against it, we are going about it the wrong way. What makes the situation so dangerous is that nobody dares to say so. The nation is endangered, therefore it is unpatriotic to criticize our leader,' Soros said. 'That is not what has made this country great. The strength of this country lies in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and the freedom of speech and thought." --George Soros April 9, 2002 (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/personal_finance/3026933.htm).

"'It is the central focus of my life,' Soros said, his blue eyes settled on an unseen target. The 2004 presidential race, he said in an interview, is 'a matter of life and death.'" --George Soros, November 11, 2003 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24179-2003Nov10?language=printer).

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I hardly think Soros' obsession has diminished at all, even though he didn't get his wish for "anyone but Bush" for President.

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How could these rogue traitors possibly know what the intel is and what Bush and Goss know? They're out of the loop. And yet, they keep hinting they're getting info from their contacts "on the inside," which means active employees are committing treason, too. This is only going to spur on Bush, Negroponte and Goss to clamp down even more and possibly (hopefully) Fitzgerald.

Bottom line: there's the war on terrorism, and the war that's raging at the CIA and FBI .. .. and our security is held hostage in the middle.

[Sam Hill]

Notice that they start their "truth-telling" off with a series of blatant lies:

"It is time for unauthorized truth-telling.

Citizens cannot make informed choices if they do not have the facts--for example, the facts that have been wrongly concealed about the ongoing war in Iraq: the real reasons behind it, the prospective costs in blood and treasure, and the setback it has dealt to efforts to stem terrorism."

No facts were wrongly concealed. We were told the reasons behind the war. The costs in blood and treasure have been far less than the MEDIA predicted. And it seems to me that it was anything but a setback in stemming terrorism. There has been no terrorism in the US since.

But it's okay if they lie. It's for a very high purpose. Selling out our country.

[nopardons]

Why are they butting into something in Denmark? What is this...the INTERNATIONAL BUSYBODY ORGANIZATION ?

[ottersnot]

Ellsberg should still be rotting in prison for his efforts in the late 60s. Now he wants to urge others to follow in his footsteps.
well, maybe benedit ellsburg will get his wish. There are laws to prevent the revealing of secrets for a reason. Loose lips sink ships. This is treason pure and simple. Were mistakes made with the intel? Possibly. Did the press lie about the Iraq connection? Damn straight. Traitors. Pure and simple.

[Sam Hill]

I think you are right. I think in a way it is even more simple than what you outline (though I agree you're correct).

But read what is said by these people. Ellsberg is the real tipoff. They ALL want to recreate the situation of the Vietnam War. That is the dream.

And why not? For them it was a halcyon time. The US lost a war. A Republican President was impeached. Communism advanced everywhere. A string of truly idiotic Democrat Presidents and legislatures was ushered in.

For them it all means "Good Times." They want to bring them back again.

[Sam Hill]

"Why are they butting into something in Denmark? What is this...the INTERNATIONAL BUSYBODY ORGANIZATION?"

As long as they can help traitors hurt this country, they will go anywhere.

"Have treason, will travel."

[nopardons]

I've always wished that I had a time machine, but I've NEVER wanted to back to Jane Fonda being a virulent anti-war protester and Daniel Ellsberg running off at the mouth.

I had to live through this once...isn't that enough?

[nopardons]

bttt

[Mo1]

Though I probably shouldn't be .. I am a little surprised that she joined up with that group

[nopardons]

Yes, I guess so.

Abigail Adams was correct, in telling her husband that we need a sedition Act and doing away with it later, has harmed this nation.

[Sam Hill]

Here's some of her bio from there. It's pretty funny:

"COLEEN ROWLEY

In 1990 she received an "Office of Preference" transfer to Minneapolis where she assumed the duties of Principal Legal Advisor (now known as "Chief Division Counsel") which entailed oversight of the Freedom of Information, Forfeiture, Victim-Witness and the Community Outreach Programs...

[In other words, they gave her the most obnoxious jobs they could find. "Community Outreach" LOL.]

In April, 2003, following an unsuccessful and highly criticized attempt to warn the Director and other administration officials about the dangers of launching the war in Iraq, Rowley "stepped down" from this (GS-14) legal position to go back to being a (GS-13)

[LOL She got demoted--from some mid-level position, to an even lower one. Doesn't happen often. She must've really screwed the pooch. And what exactly in her Community Reach background made her an expert on the dangers of going to war with Iraq?]

She has also begun to speak publicly on the topic of ethics and ethical decision-making to various groups, ranging from school children and business people to lawyers.

[I'll bet she has. And how noble of her. But again, where'd she get such knowledge? Divine revelation?]

[Mo1]

If I recall from that hearing ... she was a complete wacko

[Sam Hill]

Even without the Sedition Act, I suspect these guys have broken enough laws to keep a number of prosecutors busy.

[nopardons]

Yes, I think so too. And I wish that they would be prosecuted, ASAP, but I'm not going to hold my breathe.

[Sam Hill]

They must have nightmares about the terrorist going too far, though.

Think about it. A dirty bomb or worse goes off in NYC, and the country finally realizes how damn serious this is?

These will be the first people strung up. (Like the bund members in WWII. In fact, the comparison is exact.)

[nopardons]

Yes, I agree.

And I hope that they have such horrendous nightmares, that they never get enough sleep...until they go to their eternal rest.

[DoughtyOne]

I think Ellsberg was emboldened by skating on his earlier infractions. What he's messing with here is a whole new ballgame though.

He is in essense working within a group to urge current government employees to ignore their top level security clearances, to commit crimes.

If this isn't a conspiracy, or at the very least subverion, I'd be surprised.

Ellsberg is an attorney, but he sure seems out on the tip of a limb as far as I am concerned.

[Darkwolf377]

Good points. I always laugh when I hear democrats talking about how republicans are so ideological, when they are creatures of ideology. In their view, republicans are evil, so whatever sins they commit are insignificant when it comes to fighting evil. They really are hilarious in their very obvious heroic posing for each other; they see themselves as warriors in battle. They spout the cliches about freedom and truth, but they are completely uncaring about the lies they use which can only hurt the nation.

[Sam Hill]

They clearly know they are encouraging people to commit crimes, or they wouldn't be stressing the pro bono ACLU work so much.

By the way, it's noted in their press releases that this ACLU offer covers both Ellsberg's operation and McGovern's VIPS.

But you are absolutely right. They encouraging people to break the law. I'm sure it is illegal in a number of ways.

But as I've said, they will probably be ignored until something God awful happens. Then they will be squashed like the cockroaches they are.

[STARWISE]

She's sounded rather moonbatty lately, but we and this country should never forget the unknown and incalcuable losses that LAX was spared as a result of her pinpoint accurate instincts. She is a hero for this event, and she was not treated appropriately by the agency. Sad, but her good skils and future contributions were probably wrecked by shabby treatment.