Posted on 07/29/2005 9:47:45 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
This just makes me ill. It takes one egg (from a woman) and one sperm (from a man) to make a child. Children deserve to know their parentage.
The slippery slope seems to have an awful lot of Vaseline on it these days.
The problem of "parent" and "parent" is that it eliminates the gender differences inherent in "mother" and "father". A mother is not just a female parent, it is a distinct role, as is being a father.
For lesbian couples, record the name of the birth mother and "Sperm Donor" as the father.
For turd burglars, list the father and "Womb Donor" as the mother.
The "other parent" can get his/her name on an adoption certificate.
Does a child really need to now that they are the product of a rape or that their birth parents are father and daughter? Sometimes adoption is a way to give a child a chance to overcome a horrible beginning, and privacy should not be thown out with the bathwater in order to avoid the perversion of the idea of mother and father.
Sperm Donor:
Custodial Parent 1:
Custodial Parent 2:(where applicable)
Custodial Parent 3:(where applicable)
Custodial Parent 4:(where applicable)
You forgot Womb Donor! (The egg can come from elsewhere.)
And no mention of the Turkey Baster? You some kinda bigot?
Hmm, is it acceptable to refer to such kids as "little basterds?"
Just call 'em "Thing One" and "Thing Two".
I think in the interest of keeping the most useful information, birth certificates should be required to list the name of the people who gave the egg and sperm. If they want to have additional names, that's fine. If they want to have a second, non-official document, that's fine.
But when the kid is 25, and we discover the cure for something, but it requires cells from a parent, we'll feel pretty stupid knowing that for the sake of PC we sacrificed these children's chance for treatment.
"Whereas the 'womb' is the primary residence of the pre-newborn and whereas an egg donor was determined and whereas the sperm donor (knowingly or unknowingly, willing or unwilling) was determined we hereby declare this fully formed newborn to be the result of the joining of egg donor ________ and sperm donor _______ incubated in the womb of ________ (mark here ___ if artificial womb used.) Newborn fetus named _______ will be the sole possession of Parent 1 ________ and/or Parent 2 ________ and/or Parent 3 _________ and/or Parent 4 ________. Listing of parents in no way indicates which of the aforementioned named parents has primary custody as all listed have primary and equal custody. Any disputes of this certificate should be brought to the attention of the U.S. Department of Human Custody."
Do adoptees' birth certificates always list the biological parents? I thought that many don't, and if the birth parents don't want their identities known to the child they have that right.
Most if not all states routinely issue birth certificates showing the names of adoptive parents, instead of biological parents. And all states routinely issue birth certificates listing whatever man the mother happens to name as "father", with research showing that a large percentage of these are not the actual biological fathers. Birth certificates, at least for the past century or so, have never been intended as a means of identifying a child's biological parentage, but rather as a means of identifying a child's legal parentage -- who has rights to make decisions for the child.
So on the registration form, do they identify homosexual couples by asking: "Two 'B', or not two 'B'?" ;)
All well and good except that, as the author pointed out, it's not about raising a child but about fulfilling a self want, a materialistic craving so to speak.
You are correct, I believe. This isn't a gay issue.
If you want to keep it secret, have a "for public use" record which has what the parents want. But lets make sure the OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS tell the truth.
Yes. In fact, the supporters of gay marriage are pushing to have the official birth certificates changed to remove father and mother. Not just for THEIR children, but for every child in Mass.
This article made it sound like the "crossing out" was the problem. But the fact is that the gay organizations don't support having TWO documents either, because they say that their document will be discriminated against and make them 2nd class citizens relative to those which list a real father and mother.
Of course, in the end it's the children who are REALLY discriminated against because they don't have a father and a mother, but that is of no concern to them, just the appearance and what it means to them.
It was my understanding that there is an original birth certificate out there that shows the biological parents. That information may be sealed but it exists. My DH had a son given up for adoption. There are records out there that show he was the bioligical parent, because they had to go to court to adopt the child. The adoptive parents were not official at birth.
I completely agree.
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