Ebola Recombinant Linked to Mystery Illness in Sichuan China? (BIOWEAPON ALERT!!)

Recombinomics ^ | 30 Jul 05 | Recombinomics

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				Paradigm Shift Viral EvolutionIntervention Monitoring Vaccine Screening Vaccine Development Expression Profiling Drug Discovery Custom Therapies Patents			Commentary . Ebola Recombinant Linked to Mystery Illness in Sichuan China? Recombinomics Commentary July 30, 2005 D: "It's alright. We ran tests on those samples and isolated the SZ77++A3231 virus." I: "What is this SZ77++A3231 virus?" D: "This is a strain of the Ebola virus." I: "Would you like to comment about it?" D: "It's rather impossible to totally explain it." I: "I can understand so, but why is the term "less-infectious" always affixed to our version of the Ebola virus?" D: "There are 2 reasons for doing so. First, to reduce panic among the people should it ever leak. And second, the Ebola virus has evolved in China. Re-combination has been detected. Most prominently at the portion which determines its effect on humans (very technical description, I can't describe it. sorry.). Also, abrupt breaks in the sequencing were detected, leading to changes in the incubation period. (Or possibly "changes in the incubation period were detected") I: "How were these viruses classified then? / Could you elaborate more about the various strains?" D: "Previously, strains of Ebola in China always had the EBO prefix. Subsequently following information leaks, the classification method was changed. We stopped using the EBO prefix. Instead, coupled with the discovery that the virus had become more virulent and lethal, we re-named the strains according to the placed where they were first discovered. For example, the strain in June became the SZ77++A3231. Sometimes, we don't even use their place of discovery, instead directly naming it the ++A3231." I: "In that way, the Ebola virus wouldn't even be brought into the picture." D: "Precisely, viruses such as the Ebola are national secrets." The above comments by a physician involved in testng samples from patients in the mysterious swine outbreak in Sichuan indicate that one of the agents isolated is a recombinant Ebola virus originally isolated from Shenzen.  Prior reports had listed the names and characteristics of various Ebola isolates and EB-SZ-277 was capable of infecting birds.  SZ277++A3231 is a recombinant version of SZ-277 isolated from a patient.  The discussion indicates China has an active Ebola project and the virus is rapidly evolving via recombination. It was not clear from earlier reports if the agent was isolated and sequenced, but this interview leaves little doubt that both isolation and sequencing of Ebola is quite active.  It is unclear if the recombination is related to the region of identity between Ebola and H5N1. Ebola is considered a state secret, so there are no reports of the virus or availability of virus or sequences. The interview also indicates that the streptococcus suis is not the cause of the illness.  It is present in pigs and is merely activated by infectious agents, which include Ebola, plague, and an un-named virus which is considered "dangerous".  The emphasis is on the bacteria because it can produce similar symptoms.  The symptoms of the patients match pandemic flu of 1918, and H5N1 can produce such symptoms. The interview, if accurate, would support the role of agents other than be bacteria, in the spread on prgression of the illness.  streptococcus Suis does not produce the high case fatality rate, and can be treated with antibiotics, as can plague.  The high case fatality rate also supports the involvement of a virus and the proximity to Qinghai Lake keeps H5N1bird flu and migratory birds on the short list of explanations for the raid spread of the fatal disease that is resistant to antibiotic treatment. Media Resources

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[datura]

As it was pointed out to me the other day, China sent a peacekeeping detail to Angola last year. Shortly thereafter, Marburg appeared out of nowhere.

Now we have this entirely NEW disease, with no precedent, and high fatality rates, capable of being transmitted by FLIES (from another news report on FR) as well as fluids, that China is trying to cover up.

That's why this one is posted in "Breaking" News - normally I try to avoid posting there. The dots are too close together to not connect them this time. The "precursor" to this thread was posted by Tiger Likes Rooster, on 19 Jul 05 (with photos). That thread is: Here.

[datura]

Additionally, this spreads via migratory birds.

Unsubstantiated rumors still contend that Cuba's bioweapon program used migratory birds (jays and crows) to bring West Nile to the US.

Cuba and China are hand and glove.

[spycatcher]

Wasn't Saddam rumored to be the instigator behind spreading West Nile to the U.S.?

[datura]

At one time, yes. Then a Cuban defector claimed Cuba. Given the proximity of Cuba, it may have been both - we'll never know.

This time, the ChiComs have their paw prints all over this one.

[datura]

PING!

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As it was pointed out to me the other day, China sent a peacekeeping detail to Angola last year. Shortly thereafter, Marburg appeared out of nowhere.

Did they steal the virus while they were there...or was someone infected and brought it back?

[Dr.Hilarious]

Why do I have a feeling Michael Crichton is typing away on a new novel called FlyFlu Park or something?

[datura]

Good question. Chicken or the egg?

The bottom line is that this thing is loose. Considering the size of land mass now infected, calling it Stage 6 should be academic.

I guess the ChiComs found out how to control their restless rural population.

[datura]

LOL!

I just started reading "Timeline" by Mr. Crichton.

[RandallFlagg]

Flies??

Uh-oh! I'd better get busy!

[rdb3]

Eerily similar to the Tuskogee Syphilis Project in the 1940s. This is also like the plutonium tests on humans during the same time.

These people are sick on purpose. This is indeed a bio or chemical weapon they are testing.

[datura]

You bring up a secondary question that I forgot to ask - so now I will - are they trying to make this new disease ethnically targeted? The Han Chinese are VERY racist. They lump everyone below them. (Another reason that they will fail.)

[solzhenitsyn]

An excerpt of the text you get if you click the "isolated" link:

"An 18 nucleotide region of H5 is found in the Ebola env gene, signaling the exchange of genetic information between H5N1 and Ebola (the sequence is specific for H5N1 isolates). Variations in sequences between Ebola or Marburg strains has been noted and Ebola like other viruses can evolve rapidly via recombination."

Sounds far-fetched, but if it's true, this is fascinating stuff. Exchange of genetic information between H5N1 and Ebola? If I were unaware of Henry Niman's reputation, I might be laughing out loud. I'm not laughing.

Curious about something: Does anyone know what sorts of critters can host Ebola? I haven't been paying attention.

[rdb3]

You bring up a secondary question that I forgot to ask - so now I will - are they trying to make this new disease ethnically targeted?

Well, I did say eerily similar, right? And I ain't talking about a Great Lake, either.

[datura]

Mammals. Flies. Mosquitos (unverified). This strain - BIRDS.

Migratory birds are the equivalent of an ICBM in delivery systems. Unstoppable, and certain as sunrise.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

Bump and ping for later intensive read. Thanks for posting.

[datura]

We have to assume that they are obviously targeting caucasians and Africans. If they can get this to target those two only - and NOT Chinese - then this thing will be exported every way they can, as soon as possible. This would eliminate Russia as well, giving the ChiComs nearly total victory.

[datura]

Certainly. Please check back later.

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Migratory birds are the equivalent of an ICBM in delivery systems. Unstoppable, and certain as sunrise.

True, but they can't protect themselves from their very own delivery system. China has birds too.

[nw_arizona_granny]

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