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THE STATE DEPARTMENT PLOT THICKENS (Podhoretz on new Time article)
NRO Corner ^ | 7/31/05 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 07/31/2005 8:49:58 AM PDT by Republican Red

THE STATE DEPARTMENT PLOT THICKENS [John Podhoretz] Time Magazine has a new story about the revelation of Valerie Plame's name -- a story that, despite Time's own bizarre spin, reinforces the claim that Karl Rove and others learned that Joseph Wilson was married to a CIA operative from the media.

"As the investigation tightens into the leak of the identity of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, sources tell TIME some White House officials may have learned she was married to former ambassador Joseph Wilson weeks before his July 6, 2003, Op-Ed piece criticizing the Administration," writes Massimo Calabresi.

Later, he writes: "The previously undisclosed fact gathering began in the first week of June 2003 at the CIA, when its public-affairs office received an inquiry about Wilson's trip to Africa from veteran Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus....The same week, Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman asked for and received a memo on the Wilson trip...Sources familiar with the memo, which disclosed Plame's relationship to Wilson, say Secretary of State Colin Powell read it in mid-June. Deputy Secretary Richard Armitage may have received a copy then too."

According to Calabresi, "A source familiar with the memo says neither Powell nor Armitage spoke to the White House about it until after July 6."

So what does this tell you?

It tells you that the State Department, which leaks like a sieve, knew about Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame in June. It also tells you that neither Powell nor Armitage talked to anybody in the White House about it until after Joseph Wilson published his New York Times op-ed on July 6 -- though he had clearly been the anonymous source for a piece by Pincus and an op-ed by the Times' own Nick Kristof back in early June.

So for those who think something very bad happened here, why isn't attention now circling around the State Department, whose two top guys at the time -- Colin Powell and Richard Armitage -- leaked like sieves to the media?

Instead of asking that question, Time's Calabresi instead suggests that this "increases the chances that White House official Karl Rove and others learned about Plame from within the Administration rather than from media contacts. Rove has told investigators he believes he learned of her directly or indirectly from reporters, according to his lawyer."

That doesn't follow at all. Doesn't this tale "increase the chances" that Rove and others are simply telling the truth? It seems a bunch of people knew a bunch about this in June, and their names are Walter Pincus of the WaPo, Kristof and evidently Judith Miller of the Times, not to mention Colin Powell and Rich Armitage at State (not to mention State's Marc Grossman and Carl Ford, who generated the memo). Their names are not Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

Reporters and State Department people were in the know here. Which makes the idea that White House people found out about Wilson's marriage to a CIA operative who got him the gig in Niger from reporters even more plausible


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Time magazine piece:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1088666,00.html

I didn't even waste time reading the Time article spin. I'd rather read Podhoretz take on the "new information". He tends to be logical, smart and imo, dead-on with the facts.

1 posted on 07/31/2005 8:49:58 AM PDT by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red

Workable link to the Time article "When They Knew":

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1088666,00.html


2 posted on 07/31/2005 8:50:54 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Republican Red

Again the finger points at Colin Powell.


3 posted on 07/31/2005 8:52:41 AM PDT by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: csmusaret

Would anyone in the media go to jail to protect Colin Powell?


4 posted on 07/31/2005 8:53:50 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: BonnieJ

Let's think about that for a second...would the media rather protect Powell...or Rove? Hmmm.


5 posted on 07/31/2005 8:57:21 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: BonnieJ

Yes there are a few.


6 posted on 07/31/2005 8:58:23 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Republican Red; Mo1; Howlin
So for those who think something very bad happened here, why isn't attention now circling around the State Department , whose two top guys at the time -- Colin Powell and Richard Armitage -- leaked like sieves to the media?
7 posted on 07/31/2005 8:58:55 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Rokke

Looks like Powell helped the anti Bolton groups.


8 posted on 07/31/2005 8:59:59 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: kcvl

Time tries to paint this as bad for Rove but I think just the opposite. It points the finger away from White House and right at the State Department.

The State Department was no friend to the Bush White House.



9 posted on 07/31/2005 9:01:54 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Republican Red


Valarie Phlame and Joe Wilson are suck a$$ demos who clamor for attention because their work product never amounted to crap. Neither has ever had a real job.


10 posted on 07/31/2005 9:02:48 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: BonnieJ

Towards the last few years that Powell was in the Administration, the media too a decided "liking" to him, after basically portraying him as an "house slave" and Condi Rice as an "Aunt Jemima"....

I am thinking that the change just may have occured around the time that all of this was getting started...

SO, obviously the media would/will/is covering for Powell, where they wouldn't for Rove or Libby.


11 posted on 07/31/2005 9:03:03 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Republican Red
why isn't attention now circling around the State Department, whose two top guys at the time -- Colin Powell and Richard Armitage -- leaked like sieves to the media?

Bwaaa, Haaa, Haaa - I'll bet Fitzgerald is.

12 posted on 07/31/2005 9:09:49 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Republican Red
I can't remember the last time one of my friends and I talked about Wilson and Phlame. The reason is that we have NEVER talked about this non story. I wish the media would SHUT UP!
13 posted on 07/31/2005 9:13:27 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Mike Darancette

This would seem to jive with the comment made some time ago- that his source was an 'administration official' who was 'no partisan gunslinger'


14 posted on 07/31/2005 9:14:21 AM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Republican Red; All

I have been pointing to Colin Powell as the leaker since July 13th.

He is a darling of the MSM and my belief is that Judith Miller is trying to (1)protect Colin Powell and all her other State dept leakers and (2)help her bosses keep the story from moving on to........the truth.

So, is Colin going to step forward as a Repblican or remain undercover as a "moderate"?


15 posted on 07/31/2005 9:18:12 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Ditter

I actually think the Wilson-Plame story is just getting interesting. The Democrats and their media have been making such a big deal out of a non-story that when the facts actually start to come out it looks like it will bite them all in their collective butts.

On Meet The Press this morning the the story was being talked about by reporters with more "we really don't know yet" comments. That is far different from Rove outed a covert agent.


16 posted on 07/31/2005 9:20:32 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Armigerous
'administration official'

I'm not sure that State Department personnel are considered "administration officials". I don't think that the blanket disclosure waiver issued by the White House applies to the State Department.

So Miller rots in jail to protect Foggy Bottom.

17 posted on 07/31/2005 9:20:46 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Republican Red
I caught the very end of MTP this morning when, during a round table discussion they brought up the Plamegate investigation....of course they went to a pair of CoPost journalists first but a women reporter from National Review went last and contended that the leak came from a place other then the WH...the insinuation was it came from the media...they others were aghast!!!! Amazing they NEVER ask what Miller/NY Slimes are hiding and always run to their defense.
18 posted on 07/31/2005 9:22:50 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Republican Red

For the sake of argument, let's say Powell is Judith Miller's source. But everyone thinks it's Rove. So everyone believes Rove is a scumbag for leaking the name. Powell, along with Rove and Libby, has signed a blanket waiver releasing all reporters from any confidentiality agreement. Is it ethical for Miller to keep her mouth shut if it unfairly impugns the integrity of both Rove and the White House?


19 posted on 07/31/2005 9:26:38 AM PDT by jimboster (Vitajex, whatcha doin' to me)
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To: Republican Red

Ah... The story that won't go away even though no one outside the media gives a rip.


20 posted on 07/31/2005 9:27:03 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: God luvs America

I saw that too. Kate O'Bierne (sp) was real funny. She insinuated that the leak was not from the White House but from another part of the administration. I was hoping she would say "CIA", because that's what I thought until I read about State.

Russert was beside himself, like it was the first time anyone could have thought that it was not the White House.


21 posted on 07/31/2005 9:27:19 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Republican Red; cyncooper; Howlin

One of the Kalbs (Marvin?) was on Fox this morning spouting the Time mag spin. (What's going on with Fox? They're becoming as bad as MSM.) Wish they'd put Podhoretz on to comment on this story, so it could, indeed, be "fair and balanced."


22 posted on 07/31/2005 9:29:08 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: BonnieJ

I think so, since he shared many of the liberal views, and was a prolific leaker according to most.


23 posted on 07/31/2005 9:31:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Ditter

Oh, I'm actually kind of happy to see the media try to keep this alive. There will be a lot more egg on their faces when some of them, or some of their leaky buddies in State are indicted.


24 posted on 07/31/2005 9:36:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: MizSterious

Fow is just helping Kalb supplement his Social Security.

He'd be better as a Walmart greeter.


25 posted on 07/31/2005 9:38:38 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Republican Red

Has Powell or Armitage been interviewed by the prosecutor/grand jury? Anybody know?


26 posted on 07/31/2005 9:38:41 AM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: MizSterious

There are only two people on earth I can see our current media going to jail to protect...Bill and Hillary Clinton. And they're not connected to this "story", are they?


27 posted on 07/31/2005 9:38:48 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: digger48
FowFox is just helping Kalb supplement his Social Security. Got a hairlip on my fingertip.
28 posted on 07/31/2005 9:40:16 AM PDT by digger48
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To: BonnieJ

I don't know if the Clintons have been connected yet. I do know that Powell has been the media darling for awhile now, and when the President didn't keep him on as SOS, there was a fair amount of wailing and hand wringing among the media.


29 posted on 07/31/2005 9:43:14 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Republican Red
FROM: The 50-year fraud of Alger Hiss

"I am not and have never been a member of the Communist Party," Alger Hiss said under oath on Aug. 5, 1948, and calmly refuted the accusation of former Soviet agent Whittaker Chambers. The House Un-American Activities Committee had subpoenaed Chambers two days before. Then a senior editor at Time magazine, Chambers had testified reluctantly.

Time Magazinr has been a tool of the communists, and the Democrat Party, for at least 60 years. Of course, so has the State Department.

30 posted on 07/31/2005 9:44:16 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: BonnieJ

Remember that Bill and Hill's people were working for (or sabatoging) the Kerry Kampaign. Wilson was worth nothing to Kerry without the possibility of a scandal out of this.

It just didn't pan out in time. Now they have to muddy the water to confuse everyone when the truth comes out.


31 posted on 07/31/2005 9:45:47 AM PDT by digger48
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To: BonnieJ
There are only two people on earth I can see our current media going to jail to protect...Bill and Hillary Clinton. And they're not connected to this "story", are they?

There are two others whom it is absolutely vital for the MSM to protect: Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.

32 posted on 07/31/2005 9:46:34 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: n-tres-ted

Powell testified last July. I don't know about Armitage. I would think if Powell testified that he would have been called too


33 posted on 07/31/2005 9:47:47 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Republican Red

Somebody wake me up when the media see the giant billboard outside the Plame/Wilson house that proclaims "CIA employee lives HERE with her husband, Joe Wilson!!"

Plame and Wilson, themselves, are at the center of this alleged "Leak" in this non-story.

Colin Powell, former head of ythe Joint Chiefs of Staff and SecDef, a LEAKER!!?? It is to laugh, if not outright guffaw!!


34 posted on 07/31/2005 9:50:38 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: csmusaret; MizSterious; ravingnutter; Sam Hill; Mo1
Again the finger points at Colin Powell.

I said that weeks ago and got my head handed to me on the proverbial platter.

35 posted on 07/31/2005 9:52:24 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: BonnieJ

IMO, he is the ONLY person who has been in this administration that they WOULD go to jail for.


36 posted on 07/31/2005 9:53:14 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Republican Red

We don't want hear your suggestions, Calabresi; we want you to answer the question, truthfully that is.

Hmmmmm, what does that say about the two top guys at state?


37 posted on 07/31/2005 9:56:54 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Howlin

Really? Powell's been on my short list of possibles for quite awhile now. I guess I just assumed he was on everyone's.


38 posted on 07/31/2005 9:56:56 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: DustyMoment

"Colin Powell, former head of ythe Joint Chiefs of Staff and SecDef, a LEAKER!!?? It is to laugh, if not outright guffaw!!"

Why is this outright guffaw? Look what we got with Bubba and Hitlery when they were in the White House? Guggaw, I think not.


39 posted on 07/31/2005 9:58:40 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Armigerous
This would seem to jive with the comment made some time ago- that his source was an 'administration official' who was 'no partisan gunslinger'

COLINOSCOPY: THE REAL COLIN POWELL
The American Thinker ^ | April 26, 2005 | Ed Lasky

Posted on 04/27/2005 1:30:18 AM EDT by sinanju

While President Reagan enjoyed a reputation as the “Teflon President,” able to prevail against critics determined to besmirch his reputation, one figure handily eclipses him in his ability to avert any criticism by the mainstream media: Colin Powell.

Knowledgeable insiders have long characterized Powell’s meteoric rise from colonel to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as based on exceptional skills at bureaucratic infighting and deft wielding of the press leak stiletto. But the general public sees only the picture of high-minded public servant. In the wake of the disclosure that he is attempting to use his wiles to torpedo the nomination of John Bolton as the US Ambassador to the United Nations, it is high time to break out the kryptonite and honestly appraise the record and actions of Colin Powell...

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He's got the biggest mouth in D.C.; and he's a self-serving smug politico, if you ask me.

40 posted on 07/31/2005 9:59:20 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: MizSterious

Sometimes when I read this stuff, , especially late at night, it occurs to me that the entire government could fall.


41 posted on 07/31/2005 10:01:22 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Wuli
I have been pointing to Colin Powell as the leaker since July 13th

Nah. The leaker is Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson. She has been tight with a group of leftie newsettes forever. It could have been stuff she was leaking "off the record." Joe has been a loudmouth forever, and in fact "outed" his old lady a long time before this particular brouhaha.

Fun story.

42 posted on 07/31/2005 10:01:27 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Howlin
Knowledgeable insiders have long characterized Powell’s meteoric rise from colonel to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as based on exceptional skills at bureaucratic infighting and deft wielding of the press leak stiletto.

Hate to burst your bubble, but people at the top in DC all excel at this. If they didn't they wouldn't survive.

43 posted on 07/31/2005 10:02:18 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Howlin

The most interesting fact here is that the special prosecutor has been on this ivestigation for two years. The media, in its hubris, sought to solve it in one week. That's very unlikely.


44 posted on 07/31/2005 10:02:53 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Howlin

Sometimes, I feel the same sort of chill.

I've also heard from folks who served with Powell that he would stab someone in the back in a heartbeat if it meant getting ahead, but then, maybe that's true more often than we think.


45 posted on 07/31/2005 10:04:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Lancey Howard
Of course, so has the State Department.

Yes, but now Condi is at State and she arrived with a great big, industrial sized broom :o)

46 posted on 07/31/2005 10:06:44 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Republican Red
On Meet The Press this morning the the story was being talked about by reporters with more "we really don't know yet" comments. That is far different from Rove outed a covert agent.

Sounds like the MSM is getting ready to deep-six the Rove/Plame story now that the facts are not panning out quite like the Libs hoped.

47 posted on 07/31/2005 10:07:04 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: MizSterious
True. I was trying to point out that it is THEIR story, not real news like they should be out hunting for. I hope it gets a few more of them fired and discredited like Rathergate did.
48 posted on 07/31/2005 10:07:37 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: AndyJackson

You're not busting my bubble; he's just quit an accomplished leaker and backbiter, which, needless to say, the press never reports.

He's not quite as "clean" as he or the MSM protrays himself/him.


49 posted on 07/31/2005 10:07:39 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: BonnieJ
Would anyone in the media go to jail to protect Colin Powell?

No.

No one in the media would go to jail to protect any Republican. The information had to come from someone the MSM likes - either a fellow reporter, a dem CIA agent, or a dem who's still in the administration.

Hell would freeze over before any liberal would go to jail for a Republican - they would expose the guy themselves if he was one of us.

50 posted on 07/31/2005 10:09:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (A person who will lie for you, will lie against you.)
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