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Estates Of Pain (Blue State America Taxes People At Death, Loses Retires And Revenue Alert)
Opinionjournal.com ^ | 08/01/05 | Wall Street Journal Editorial

Posted on 07/31/2005 10:10:45 PM PDT by goldstategop

The law requires that any resident of the Nutmeg State with an estate of more than $2 million pay a death tax of up to 16%--merely for the privilege of dying in Connecticut. The legislators in Hartford hope that the tax will raise $150 million in revenue each year--money that will come in only if the legislators in Hartford are also planning to build a Berlin Wall around the state.

Otherwise, expect a stampede of retirees and family businesses out of Connecticut into the many states without a death tax, such as Florida, which has a constitutional prohibition against estate taxes. Thanks to the Connecticut death levy, a successful small business owner with a $10 million estate can save about $1 million by packing up and heading south. ....

In Washington state, Democratic Governor Christine Gregoire, riding high on her disputed 186-vote victory in last November's elections, linked arms with the Democrat-controlled legislature and overturned a ballot initiative approved by 67% of voters in 1981 that had outlawed a state estate tax. Now Washington imposes a 19% death tax, among the most onerous in the nation....

Not surprisingly, it is generally the liberal, tax-and-spend blue states that are frantically reinstating punitive taxes on death. Will they ever learn? Over the past 20 years about 1,000 people every day have been fleeing these high tax blue states, for low tax red states. It's one reason the Northeast has suffered economically, and declined politically in terms of electoral votes.

George Pataki has effectively declared: "Invest anywhere but in New York." And that's why you can expect to see thousands of creative people from the Northeast whistling Dixie in the months and years ahead.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Connecticut; US: New York; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bluestateamerica; bornlosers; deathtax; democrats; ghoulratgrigoire; ghouls; graverobbers; retirees; rinopataki; rinorell; socialists; whistlingdixie
The death tax is a way of punishing success and a lifetime of savings and hard work. Congratulations, Blue State America. With the likes of RINOS Rell in Connecticut and Pataki in New York and Ghoulb Rat Grigoire in Washington State, they'll continue to hemorrhage jobs, retires and revenues. The socialist grave grabbers are ghouls reaching into the grave to feed the ever growing government beast. A pox on their house.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
1 posted on 07/31/2005 10:10:45 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
16% in CT and 19!!!!% in WA STATE - even death doesn't have a holiday from the taxman.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 07/31/2005 10:15:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
If they keep this up they can't even tax the estates they want to lay their greedy hands on. People are fed up and leaving. Let the liberals pursue their tax and spend strategery - into political Ford Edsel territory.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
3 posted on 07/31/2005 10:19:06 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
And that's why you can expect to see thousands of creative people from the Northeast whistling Dixie in the months and years ahead.

What we're talking about are northern liberals who supposedly will leave their northern states for economic reasons, head to the southern states, and bring their liberals ideas with them.

Those same liberals who have screwed up Connecticut and other blue states, can be counted on to try to socialized the south until it's a basket case.

4 posted on 07/31/2005 10:21:29 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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To: goldstategop
As for learning, if you believe government is the only industry in town, then any tax will do. Even one most people consider morally repulsive. Again, liberalism is a mental disorder whose conduct flies in the way of common sense and real world experience.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
5 posted on 07/31/2005 10:21:55 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
The Beatles said it pretty well, a few decades ago...

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.

6 posted on 07/31/2005 10:23:48 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (I support tax cuts for the rich -- and I vote!)
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To: Noachian
Well it goes to show even liberals vote with their feet against higher taxes. If they liked them, they would stay where they are. Nothing like trying to escape the damaging effects of your own mistakes. Oh well, there's still some places in this country to move to that the Left hasn't yet messed up.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 07/31/2005 10:25:06 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Well, New York is the WELFARE STATE.

Hell, charge the dead and everyone else!!!!!

We don't want some poor bimbo denied her 15th. child just 'cause some greedy rich person wanted to give the hard earned money to their heirs!

8 posted on 07/31/2005 10:29:20 PM PDT by catfur (God Bless President Bush)
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To: goldstategop
Oh well, there's still some places in this country to move to that the Left hasn't yet messed up.

Yes, but for how long?

Liberals make a mess, and then run away to a place they where they can start making another mess.

That's the problem with liberals. They're like a disease that spreads to wherever they put down roots.

9 posted on 07/31/2005 10:33:11 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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To: catfur
If they could find a way to tax the dead themselves, they'd be on it. Its not like scruples stand in the way of the Left's finding money from a source most people regard as unthinkable.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
10 posted on 07/31/2005 10:34:36 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Now Washington imposes a 19% death tax...

Even more amazing is that the dead still vote Democrat in every election. Will they never learn?

11 posted on 07/31/2005 10:42:13 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: goldstategop
The death tax is a way of punishing success and a lifetime of savings and hard work.

Well, the death tax is also a way for government to make sure land turns over to developers at a steady clip.

12 posted on 07/31/2005 10:57:04 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: goldstategop
If they could find a way to tax the dead themselves, they'd be on it. Its not like scruples stand in the way of the Left's finding money from a source most people regard as unthinkable.

It makes perfect sense that dems and leftists want to tax the dead... After all, the phrase "no taxation without representation" goes back as far as the birth of this country. And given the number of dead people that vote dem, they figure the least they can do is pay their fare share of taxes too!

Mark

13 posted on 07/31/2005 10:58:09 PM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: goldstategop

Blue state... UGH.

http://antiochagonistes.blogspot.com/2005/07/color-me-blue.html


14 posted on 07/31/2005 11:09:46 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Does anyone know the amount of exemption in each state..WA and NY?


15 posted on 07/31/2005 11:14:15 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: goldstategop

The Tax Collector's Creed

Now he's a common, common man
So tax him, tax him, all you can.
Tax his house, Tax his bed;
Tax the bald spot on his head.
Tax his drink, Tax his meat,
Tax the shoes right off his feet.
Tax his cow, Tax his goat;
Tax his pants, Tax his coat;
Tax his crop, Tax his work;
Tax his ties, Tax his shirt;
Tax his chew, Tax his smoke,
Teach him taxing is no joke.
Tax his tractor, Tax his mule;
Tell him: "Taxing is the rule!"
Tax his oil, Tax his gas,
Tax his notes, Tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.
If he hollers, Tax him more;
Tax him till he's good and sore.
Tax his coffin, Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he's laid.
Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove him to his doom."
Even when he's gone, we won't relax --
We'll still collect inheritance tax.


16 posted on 07/31/2005 11:18:25 PM PDT by DaiHuy (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: goldstategop

The Taxpayer's Lament

Sit down my friends and just relax,
It's time to pay your income tax.
For whether we are great or small,
They tax us one, they tax us all.
They tax the hobo and the queen,
They tax the bull and tax his ring.
They tax the gas that runs your car
And even tax the big cigar.
They tax your whiskey and home brew,
They tax the Bible and your pew.
They tax the wristwatch on your arm
And tax the rat trap on your farm.
They tax the baby in his crib, and
Tax his shirt and tax his bib.
They tax the crib that he sleeps in,
And don't consider that a sin.
Then they go from bad to worse
And tax the doctor and tax the nurse.
They tax the dentist and his drill
And he just adds it to your bill.
Whenever you leave this world behind
They will be there to steal you blind.
Before you reach the Golden Gate
They'll slap a tax on your estate.
They tax the hearse on your last ride,
And shed some tears because you died.
The reason for their deep distress?
You left them with no address.


17 posted on 07/31/2005 11:20:05 PM PDT by DaiHuy (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: catfur
Well, New York is the WELFARE STATE. Hell, charge the dead and everyone else!!!!!

In New York the dead get welfare so I guess they should pay taxes too.

uuugghh!!

18 posted on 07/31/2005 11:32:42 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Noachian

"What we're talking about are northern liberals who supposedly will leave their northern states for economic reasons, head to the southern states, and bring their liberals ideas with them...Those same liberals who have screwed up Connecticut and other blue states, can be counted on to try to socialized the south until it's a basket case."

We've had a word for this type of person in the South for decades. We call them 'carpetbaggers.'


19 posted on 07/31/2005 11:56:17 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Kelo, Grutter, Raich and Roe-all them gotta go. Roberts on+2 liberals off=let's start the show!)
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To: goldstategop
Don't Die Here

States with estate taxes

Connecticut
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Nebraska
New Jersey
New York
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Tennessee
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

Source: American Family Business Institute, 2005.
20 posted on 08/01/2005 4:57:13 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

Thanks for the list. DANG! Nebraska and Oklahoma, very disappointing.


21 posted on 08/01/2005 5:04:42 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Buddy, can you spare a tagline?)
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To: OESY

Every New England state except New Hampshire, Hmmm,


22 posted on 08/01/2005 5:19:13 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Noachian
What we're talking about are northern liberals who supposedly will leave their northern states for economic reasons, head to the southern states, and bring their liberals ideas with them.

You better hope everyone up North stays there... someone has to pave the roads down South, and guess who's footin the bill? That's right... the North!
23 posted on 08/02/2005 8:24:56 AM PDT by Bulwark
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To: goldstategop
Thanks to the Connecticut death levy, a successful small business owner with a $10 million estate can save about $1 million by packing up and heading south. ....

The loving and charming Mrs. Theknow and I will be moving by the end of the year.

25 years ago we moved here, CT, for my job. We used to laugh at the fools who lived in MA and paid such outrageous taxes. Now they laugh at us.

24 posted on 08/02/2005 8:51:11 AM PDT by N. Theknow (If Social Security is so good - why aren't members of Congress in it?)
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...
Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

25 posted on 08/02/2005 3:49:11 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: muir_redwoods
The death Tax in NH applies to those estates which are not left to immediate family, at least as my account says.
26 posted on 08/02/2005 3:59:00 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill
So I can leave it to my daughters and not pay through the nose. Still sounds like a plan.

Of course, I do still have to die so it's not all roses.

27 posted on 08/02/2005 4:42:16 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: goldstategop
Grassley: No death tax repeal this year, 8/31/05


Majority Leader Bill Frist has scheduled a vote on House-passed legislation that would permanently repeal the death tax. The vote is scheduled for next week in the Senate.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley says it's not going to happen.

Congressional Quarterly (subscription):

While the House passed the bill in April on a 272-162 vote, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Grassley predicted Aug. 30 that Senate leaders will not have the 60 votes needed to overcome Democratic objections and proceed to a final vote on the bill. “It’s not going to get done,” he said in a conference call with Iowa farm broadcasters, adding that there is “zero” chance of full repeal.

Still, conservatives and some in the business community are pushing for the vote to put Democrats on record; they want deficit-wary Democrats from conservative-leaning states to face the difficult choice between voting ‘yes’ or angering their supporters in the business community back home.
Grassley's pessimism is unhelpful, even if it is realistic. The Senate vote next week will be close, and stranger things have happened.

However, pro-repeal forces have the right perspective. If this vote fails, Democrats need to be on record as opposing this unjust tax on families and small businesses at the time of loved one's deaths.

John Fund, writing for the WSJ Political Diary (subscription) has the whip count:

The free-market Club for Growth has unveiled ads targeting Senators in Montana, North Dakota, Washington and Oregon who haven't yet agreed to repeal. A similar ad chastising Senator John McCain ran in New Hampshire, where the first primary of the 2008 presidential race will be held. Perhaps not coincidently, tax opponents yesterday received a boost when Senator McCain indicated he would vote to end debate.

That means tax opponents are shy by one or two votes from the 60 they need. Four Democrats -- Bill Nelson of Florida, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and the two senators from Arkansas, Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor -- are in favor of repeal. But GOP Senators Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and George Voinovich of Ohio continue to resist the entreaties of their GOP colleagues. Both express concern about a negative impact on the deficit, despite studies that show the estate tax probably brings the federal government little revenue due to increasingly imaginative estate planning.

posted by chappy22, http://fromthebleachers.blogspot.com/

COMMENT: You have to give Grassley credit: He is one stand-up guy, who tells it like it is, levels with his voters, says in all candor some of the stupidest things ever heard on Capitol Hill, engages his mouth before his brain more often than not, has no concept of how to play his political cards, must rely on miracles to put together any deals with his Senate colleagues, has any number of excuses why things didn't get done, needs to step aside so others can manage the bill-shepherding process he can't....

28 posted on 08/31/2005 12:56:45 PM PDT by OESY
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