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JPFO ALERT: IS S. 397 A TROJAN HORSE?
email alert | August 4, 2005 | JPFO

Posted on 08/04/2005 8:53:33 AM PDT by JOAT

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

August 4, 2005

JPFO ALERT: IS S. 397 A TROJAN HORSE?

You may have heard a lot of praise for S. 397, which last week passed the U.S. Senate. This bill is supposedly intended to protect firearms manufacturers against nuisance lawsuits.

There's been minor grumbling about the "safety lock" provisions in the proposed legislation, but otherwise S. 397 has had overwhelming support.

Just about the time we were wondering why even some usually gun-unfriendly senators like Herb Kohl (D-WI) were in favor of this bill, an alert Congresswatcher contacted us with a warning.

"The only thing I see that's good about the bill," this sharp-eyed observer wrote, "is that it hasn't become law."

After taking a closer look, we agree.

As our correspondent pointed out, the real problem lies in Sec. 6 "Armor Piercing Ammunition."

THIS SECTION COULD ALLOW ALL CENTERFIRE RIFLE AMMO TO BE BANNED

Here's how.

Part One of Sec. 6 makes it illegal to make, import, sell or deliver any "armor-piercing" ammunition EXCEPT:

1) For the use of state and federal government departments or agencies.

2) For export

3) For Attorney General-approved testing.

Part Two "enhances" criminal sentences for anyone who possesses "armor-piercing" ammunition during the commission of a crime.

Part Three is where the trap is really sprung. Because this part instructs the U.S. Attorney General to "conduct a study to determine whether a uniform standard for the testing of projectiles against Body Armor is feasible."

NOTE WELL: The tests to determine whether or not ammo is "armor piercing" are NOT to be conducted against armor plate, such as that used on military combat vehicles. The tests are to be conducted against body armor. And as anyone knowledgeable about firearms knows, VIRTUALLY ALL RIFLE AMMO WILL PENETRATE BODY ARMOR. So will some pistol ammo.

We asked firearms maker Len Savage if the warning we received was well-taken or whether this was simply a misinterpretation of the proposed law. Here's Len's reply:

"Yes. This gives the A.G. the power to say what is and is not "armor piercing." There is no language for what type of test is to be conducted (other than ballistic vests). If the test were on 1 inch "rolled homogeneous armor plate" then there would be no problem. If the test is a level I "vest" material, then EVERYTHING including .22 longs, are going to be illegal ammo.

"The bill would effectively give the power to decide to ONE person. NO vote, NO appeal, NO rights. (Just like the current mess with [the sloppy, no-standards testing practices of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms].)

"I figured it was a matter of time before they got around to figuring out: Control the ammo and you control the guns. Of course there would be born a "black market" for ammo, very close to the black market for marijuana, in size, scope, and risks. Next will be the sentencing recommendations for possession, and distributing (dealing). Components will be viewed as constructive intent of illegal manufacturing of "terrorist material."

"This is a dangerous path for America. I am forced to ask myself: Why the continued attack and obvious methodical disarming of American Citizens? There is only one answer: control and power."

Just as "Saturday-Night specials," "military-style assault weapons," "cop-killer bullets," and "sporting purposes" have all been used as deceptive, emotionally loaded key words to justify regulations and outright bans, it now appears that the designation "armor-piercing ammunition" is likely to be mis-applied in an attempt to deprive Americans of their rights.

We should all be asking some serious questions about the real impact S. 397 will have on our freedoms if it becomes law. One important question is: Why are our "leaders" so desperate that they would attempt to slip such a potentially draconian provision into a supposedly pro-gun bill?

The Liberty Crew

LINKS:

S. 397, Sec. 6 http://tinyurl.com/9u8mt (click on [S.397.ES])

A reality check on the U.S. government's sloppy firearms testing procedures: http://www.jpfo.org/alert20050701a.htm

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; bang; banglist; jpfo; s397
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Yet another end-around attempt by the scum.
1 posted on 08/04/2005 8:53:34 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT

Isn't that amendment Larry Craig's ?? WTF why did he tack that on there? He was the chief sponsor of the bill.


2 posted on 08/04/2005 8:57:25 AM PDT by HKaddict
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21; Joe Brower

Ping! Looks like S397 is not what it is supposed to be!

Semper Fi


3 posted on 08/04/2005 8:59:02 AM PDT by dd5339 (A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path.)
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To: JOAT

"JPFO ALERT: IS S. 397 A TROJAN HORSE?"

I don't see it listed as a Trojan Horse.

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/auto/index/indexS.html


4 posted on 08/04/2005 9:01:47 AM PDT by Moral Hazard ("I believe the children are the future" - Whitney Houston; "Fight the future" - X-files)
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To: HKaddict
Isn't that amendment Larry Craig's ??

Yes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453494/posts

5 posted on 08/04/2005 9:06:34 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: dd5339
(Thomas)

Call your Congressmen and Senators NOW!

6 posted on 08/04/2005 9:07:33 AM PDT by yoe
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To: JOAT

Well, let's beat them. Send letters out to senators and congressmen urging revision.


7 posted on 08/04/2005 9:08:05 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: JOAT; adam_az; American in Israel; Ancesthntr; aragorn; archy; Badray; buccaneer81; cc2k; ...

BANG!


8 posted on 08/04/2005 9:09:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: JOAT

Whoaaaaaa nellie!

Just when you thought it was safe to back a bill...!!!

Thanks to Mr. Z and his alert folk!

Contacting legiscritters now!

Top sends


9 posted on 08/04/2005 9:10:23 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG!!!!)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, I saw it.

Degenerate pondscum, the lot of them.

The time to begin turning in our bullets gets closer every day.

The good news is that the gungrabbing laMecha AG Speedy Gonzalez will have the authority to regulate,


10 posted on 08/04/2005 9:16:06 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: JOAT
the real problem lies in Sec. 6 "Armor Piercing Ammunition." THIS SECTION COULD ALLOW ALL CENTERFIRE RIFLE AMMO TO BE BANNED

Whoa......I thought this provision was on the Kennedy amendment to the bill (which thankfully didn't pass), not on the bill itself.

11 posted on 08/04/2005 9:24:43 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: JOAT

Here in CA, ammo will have to be tough to retain serial numbers after firing.


12 posted on 08/04/2005 9:26:02 AM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: Alexander Rubin
Send letters out to senators and congressmen urging revision.

*Smiling*

Exactly why it is posted here my friend....

13 posted on 08/04/2005 9:26:18 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: Travis McGee; SLB; Eaker; Shooter 2.5; ExSoldier

Son of a peach grabbing bunch of backstabbing no good polidiots....ya have to watch em closer than a sugared up 4 year old kid......doom on em all. Worthless bunch of beanconuntin arrrhhhhhggggghhh !

Dang !


14 posted on 08/04/2005 9:26:20 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Mr. Mojo

That was my understanding as well - perhaps someone can confirm this latest?


15 posted on 08/04/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: jdogbearhunter; Xphantasos; da_toolman

Ping...


16 posted on 08/04/2005 9:36:08 AM PDT by phasma proeliator (It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts... it's being willing.)
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To: JOAT
I tried to get the text of the amendment right after the bill passed, and could not find it on Thomas.

I have been wondering. Now, I do not.

The House version must either not contain these provisions (nor allow them to be added) or must redefine specifically what ammo could be considered, eliinating rifle ammo from the mix. Otherwise, the bill will need to be killed.

17 posted on 08/04/2005 9:39:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

2nd on that.

Great to get this alert, time to call the Congresscritters.


18 posted on 08/04/2005 9:41:16 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (NRA)
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To: phasma proeliator
perhaps someone can confirm this latest?

LINK

19 posted on 08/04/2005 9:42:42 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT

He is right even some rimfire ammo will penetrate certain types of body armor


20 posted on 08/04/2005 9:44:11 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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