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America reacting to the Chinese threat?
India Defence ^ | 4/8/2005 | Hari Sud

Posted on 08/06/2005 7:01:47 AM PDT by Srirangan

China has been selling its relatively cheap but lower quality products with ease both to US and EU. With US, China is running a trade deficit of about $100 billion a year. A similar trade deficit exists with the EU. The Chinese do not feel obliged to balance the trade. They use FDI and dollar reserves in US and elsewhere as a tool to enhance their trade position. Though the US does not like it, only recently it has started to flex its muscles.

Trade imbalance discussions have been going on for the last five years but the US took no action and the Chinese also did not take any initiative. Then in March of this year word came out that China has developed a 6,000KM range missile. It raised hackles in the Pentagon. Next, China stopped short on reining in North Korea. An open call to the Chinese was made to re-value its currency, upwards. To cap it all, a Chinese general threatened the US with nuclear weapons, should US intervene in any future Taiwan- China skirmishes. The latter broke the camel’s back. Suddenly, a host of press and Pentagon inspired briefings made it known that party for China in the US is over. These days China is addressed as Communist China. Prior to this, the word ‘Communist’ was always missing while describing China and its leaders. Even the most conservative newscaster on CNN (Lou Dobbs) has latched on to the subject. He has produced a few ten-minute clips on Chinese perfidy in his 6 O’clock news & analysis show. None of these favor Chinese interests in US and elsewhere.

Why this sudden Change in US?

The last four years have been a busy period for the President Bush’s Administration. Terrorism, 9/11 and self-imposed war in Iraq have taken the bulk of its time, leaving dealing with China as a lower priority item. The Chinese took full advantage of this US preoccupation. They managed to grab an average of $ 50 Billion FDI a year in last three years. With the latter the trade deficit soared. In the last one year or so the Bush Administration has started to pay attention to the subject. Not only the 6,000KM missile is bothering them, a closer examination of Chinese published and hidden defense budget has indicated that Chinese spend a lot more on defense than they admit. Published US reports indicate that China spends close to $90 Billion on defense. This is three times more than what the Chinese say they spend. Further focus was brought in by the untimely proposal by the Chinese to acquire UNOCOL, an US oil exploration and pipeline giant. Politicians in the US Congress opposed the above deal. If needed, they could block it completely.

With pressure from many sides the Bush Administration decided to act. The easiest way to act was to ask the Chinese to revalue their currency. They asked for a 15% upwards revaluation. Chinese replied after months of wait with a 2% revaluation. Not only did they de-peg their currency from the mighty dollar, they allowed it to float. The latter is a tricky undertaking. It places the Chinese currency at the mercy of international traders. The traders may force an upward or downward revaluation. It would seem that US and EU wish to revalue now upwards the Chinese currency by about 15% . But it could not be realized. With a floating currency Chinese products will not have the same advantage they had before. That product will not be cheaper and the effects will be seen in the next two to three years. The latter timeframe is necessary as it will be a slow affair having a minimum impact on the Western consumers.

Will it affect the FDI Flow to China?

Not immediately. But the long-range impact may not be to the advantage of the Chinese. In one move, the West has halved the margins the Chinese manufacturers enjoy. Margins were already very thin as Chinese price their products lower to drive other countries out of the market. These margins will be further impacted with Yuan revaluation. Alternatively the prices of the products could go up to compensate for the revaluation. This move will preserve the margins, but higher prices will reduce western consumer’s rush to buy all things Chinese at throwaway prices. Since the FDI investors including the round-tripping money from Hong Kong are looking for big pay offs in short term, they will tend to take their monies elsewhere. This combined with US Administration’s reluctance on China will further compound the problem.

The FDI funds will not disappear from the Chinese economy all together. But reduction will be visible as the currency traders revalue Yuan upwards and upwards. In three years when the value of Yuan is significantly higher, the FDI will be lower and lower. China still offers a very business friendly environment; hence some funds will continue to go in its direction. But it will be less.

Why did Clinton upgrade US and the Western Investment in China?

This massive flow of funds in China has its origin in President Reagan’s desire to use China as a second front to beat the Soviets. He allowed investments in China to develop the country further so that it could stand up to the Soviets. This effort was successful. The Soviet Union fell apart in 1989. By then the FDI investment, which was averaging $4 to $5 Billion, a year in early eighties had risen to $10 Billion in 1990.

With President Clinton in power in 1993, focus was shifted from Star War expenditures to economy. Businesses in US and elsewhere at that time were hard pressed to make a return on investment. The recession of 1991-93 had taken a huge toll on business investment and productivity. President Clinton and his advisors came upon a great idea to boost the economy. They wished to shift the labor-intensive smoke stack industry to China. The latter utilized the low cost Chinese labor to make goods which old and outdated factories in the US were having difficulty to manufacture. The US companies who were relocating were asked to retain the marketing aspect of the products with themselves. In this way the Chinese got the money and the jobs and the US got lower cost products. This formula by 1995 was highly successful. FDI flows to US were in torrents.

In 1995 the Chinese pegged their currency to dollar at a fixed price. They pretended that China has no inflation and China has to import technology and machinery to build factories. Hence the fixed price currency conversion is essential. President Clinton guaranteed uninterrupted flow of FDIs in return. With all these steps and some more, profitability to the American businesses returned. By 1998, the stock market was on its upward swing. . This guaranteed Clinton’s re-election. After re-election he further enhanced FDI flow to China. The result was that when 1997-99 Asian economic crisis struck, the smaller Asian Tiger economies sufferred but it had no impact on the Chinese economy as the Yuan was fixed firmly to the dollar.

By Year 2000, the FDI had reached $35 to 40 billion range. This continued during the first term of President George Bush. In years 2003 and 2004, the Chinese clocked a $40 Billion FDI each year. This year in 2005, it is expected to reach about $55 Billion. This has created a $100 Billion a year merchandize trade deficit in favor of China in US-China trade. A similar situation exists with the EU. This situation may not be allowed to continue uninterrupted. That is why a push was started to re-value the Chinese currency as a first step. Also with lots of money, Chinese started to spend it on defense and on offensive weapons. The 6,000KM missile is a key example of the latter. Over confident Chinese military also gave notice to the US to watch out on Taiwan issue. The threat of US being nuked, given out by a Chinese General has not gone down well.

How India fits into the Equation

Recently concluded Bush – Manmohan Singh agreement on commercial nuclear reactors to India is the tip of the iceberg of the US concerns about the growing Chinese’s military and commercial prowess. The US perhaps wishes to counterbalance the growing Chinese strategic power roughly in the same manner as they counterbalanced the Soviet influence in eighties. Had there been no 9/11 or Iraq War II, then this cozying up of US to India would have happened four years back. President Clinton made a small beginning in 2000. At that time the full weight of Chinese actions were not clear to his administration. In the last four years, the US-China trade deficit has scaled new heights.

There is likely to be further enhancement of US – India relationship. US attempts will be to wean India out of Russian military hardware. A much more enhanced relationship in the IT Services; BPO and KPO industry is in the offing. India is already one of the favored nations for future FDI investments. As FDI becomes less lucrative in China, India has positioned itself to take over the slack. The Bush Administration will try to balance the trade. . Already India has placed large order of commercial aircrafts with the Boeing Company. Two US companies are competing for a lucrative military aircraft contract. The nuclear deal will involve 6 to 8 large size nuclear power plants. Order for half of these will be placed in US. All in all a new beginning in India – US relations has been made.

It is safe to conclude that current Chinese currency revaluation and its floating will value the Chinese currency upwards by about 15% in three years. The latter will have an impact on the FDI input into the Chinese economy. The slack of these will go to India. Moreover national geo-political rivalries, which are beginning to show its head in US-China relationship, are detrimental to investments in China. India stands to gain but it will take some time to see the impact.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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Original Article: America reacting to the Chinese threat?
1 posted on 08/06/2005 7:01:47 AM PDT by Srirangan
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To: Srirangan; Jeff Head; joanie-f

Bump!

FYI


2 posted on 08/06/2005 7:30:02 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Srirangan
>With US, China is running a trade deficit of about $100 billion a year. A similar trade deficit exists with the EU. The Chinese do not feel obliged to balance the trade


3 posted on 08/06/2005 7:41:59 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Srirangan
Chinese threats to the USA, brought to us COURTESY OF THE DEMOCRATS!!!

Fact is the CLINTON administration SOLD THE US DOWN THE TUBES with China.

Clinton (with dem party support) PERSONALLY HELPED China to leapfrog 20 +/- years of military technology development by FALSIFYING Certification for China to receive SENSITIVE US MILITARY TECHNOLOGY!

http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=19

Clinton Gave Chinese FALSE certification to U.S. Military Tech (Democrats enabling China to engage in WAR with U.S.A.)
China Rumbles about War with US - Clinton certified them for US Military Tech
Clinton Gave China Chips for Nuclear War (Hardened Computer Chips for surviving nuclear blasts)
Clinton Fuelled Beijing's militarism (Clinton Administration helped promote Asian destabilization)
Chinese Military Buildup in preparation for WAR WITH USA (Democrat Party and Clinton AIDED CHINESE in preparation for WAR WITH USA - TREASON)
Chinese Military Buildup ENABLED BY CLINTON AND DEMOCRATS (Chinese are preparing for Asian Assault against Taiwan - looking to pull USA into fight)
The Increasingly Intertwined Bear and Dragon (Russia providing Military Technology and Arms to China)
China Updating and Modernizing ALL Military Capabilities (Working with Russia to gain additional Military Technology for eventual U.S. confrontation)
Chinese Advanced Fighter Provided by Russians (Not as Advanced as U.S. Military but still a real threat)
Russia and China JOIN FORCES AGAINST U.S. Defensive Space Weapons (Two Communist Nations in FULL Cooperation AGAINST the USA)
Top Chinese general warns US over attack (Will use NUKES on U.S. if it intervenes over Taiwan)


4 posted on 08/06/2005 7:59:32 AM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: Srirangan

Bump. Very interesting material on the economics of Chinese/Indian/American trade and the military underpinnings.


5 posted on 08/06/2005 8:09:35 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Eastbound; joanie-f; Dukie; Squantos; JohnHuang2; k.trujillo; Travis McGee; jim macomber; ...
Thanks for the ping EB. It did not take a rocket scientist to see what the Chinese were doing with the trade imbalance for the last ten years...building a modern military machine. It is no new revelation...it is something that was directly helped along by the previous administration and relatively ignored by this one until the last 1-2 years. Thank goodness they have opened their eyes to it now, because it is obvious at this point.

Just the amount of shipbuilding, military (naval) shipbuilding, boggles the mind and cannot be hidden at this point. There is simply SO much of it. Has to be akin to what our p[arents and grandparents saw going on in Nazi Germany and IMperial Japan in the 1930's. The PLAN GROWTH link at the following site makes it clear.

Please feel free to use that site and spread it around as an indication of the seriousness of the meatter. I have written my Senators and my Congressional Rep concerning it and they have all responded and thanked me for compiling it. I intend to keep it up to date.

It has become abundantly clear that the furture "huge" market that the politicians and corporate executives hoped to tap into by using the "cheap labor" for immediate gains is an illusion as far as the Chinese Communist leadership is concerned, and always has been. It was and is used as a lure to pull us in...to build up their base and get our wealth...and, sadly, it has worked all too well.

Simply put, the CCP means to disable, maim, and bury the United States and any competition to them (military, political, or economic) that we influence in that region...and potentially our very existance as a nation and a people.

...and they are very clear about it...not hiding it at all.

IMHO, if we do not respond forcefully and absoultely clearly now, ala a Reagan-style buildup and confrontation, then we may in fact find ourselves living out something akin to the horrific events set forth in the fictional tale:


THE DRAGON'S FURY SERIES

A Series about America and World War III

6 posted on 08/06/2005 8:13:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, it's been plain for a long long time, the birth
policies China instituted were an integral part of the
planning, what better base to build a military hegemony
on than a male heavy population.
In the event of a chinese hegemonist move look for females
to be raped in large numbers, then be sent back as "guest
workers" or "brides".


7 posted on 08/06/2005 8:31:53 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: woodb01
It would be interesting to see the trade deficit figures before and after China was made a permanent favorite trading partner in 2000 [Clinton and Bush were joined at the hip].

Exporting both factories and the dollars to buy America is lose-lose for America's future [not too bad for companies that no longer consider themselves as American].

8 posted on 08/06/2005 8:44:58 AM PDT by ex-snook (Protectionism is Patriotism in both war and trade.)
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To: Jeff Head

Globalism advances.. What we are watching is merely jockeying for pecking order rights..


9 posted on 08/06/2005 8:54:22 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Jeff Head

Bump!


10 posted on 08/06/2005 9:04:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jeff Head
Simply put, the CCP means to disable, maim, and bury the United States and any competition to them (military, political, or economic) that we influence in that region...and potentially our very existance as a nation and a people.

I don't think anyone in the leadership will give this any notice at all. Bush is more concerned with the War on Terror and his globalist, open border, economic utopia of super-wealthy multi-national corporations, served by an unending supply of wages slaves.

And Hillary will sell us out to the Chinese without so much as a second thought just like her husband did for eight years.

The wheel of history turns. And for the last 500 years, it's been turning inexorably westward from the emerging European powers of the middle ages to the current superpower status of the U.S. There's no reason to believe that trend is going to stop here and now.

11 posted on 08/06/2005 9:15:10 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Euro-American Scum
The Bush administration is turning increasing focus and concern to the Red Chinese. I believe they have awakened to the threat and are forumalting a strategy to address and respond to it. I hope it is not too late to avoid a serious confrontation...because I think within the next five years there is one waiting to happen that could escalate into a large war.

Hope I am wrong...and at the leat, it can be avoided or mitigated. We shall see.

12 posted on 08/06/2005 9:27:43 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: hosepipe

I believe the ChiComms have ideas and visions of their own and they are going to get away from them entirely.


13 posted on 08/06/2005 9:28:32 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Euro-American Scum
" I don't think anyone in the leadership will give this any notice at all. Bush is more concerned with the War on Terror "

The neoconcoms have brainwashed Bush to believe suicide by car bomb is the way to take over the world and must be stopped at all costs.

14 posted on 08/06/2005 9:28:58 AM PDT by ex-snook (Protectionism is Patriotism in both war and trade.)
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To: tet68

If those large armies ever form and their power projectiuon capability reaches a point where they are cut loose, what you describe (and worse, IMHO) is undoubtedly going to happen all over that part of the world and possible elsewhere.


15 posted on 08/06/2005 9:30:02 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
[ I believe the ChiComms have ideas and visions of their own and they are going to [let this] get away from them entirely. ]

I know.. you said that yesterday...
But you might be wrong about others things too.. d;-)~..

16 posted on 08/06/2005 9:32:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Could well be my friend...I have never indicated that it was anything more than my opinion. And if I gave the impression that it was not...let me be the first to correct it.


17 posted on 08/06/2005 9:36:26 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Srirangan

Please include full attribution when posting including source,URL,author and date. Thanks.


18 posted on 08/06/2005 9:37:01 AM PDT by Admin Moderator (<-- rogue Mod, so watch out!)
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To: Jeff Head
[ Could well be my friend...I have never indicated that it was anything more than my opinion. And if I gave the impression that it was not...let me be the first to correct it. ]

You didn't get the humor.?. suggest a vacation dude..
or a freep'otomy.. for awhile..

Freep'otomy = a cruise, go fishin or huntin, visit Alaska.. like that..

19 posted on 08/06/2005 9:48:02 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks for the ping EB. It did not take a rocket scientist to see what the Chinese were doing with the trade imbalance for the last ten years..

Good points all. Back when China was being considered for WTO membership, I wrote Graham, Hutchinson and Armey (Texas) to vote against it, predicted a war with China in 10 years, and oh by the way, my granson is not gonna go when you guys wave the flag and tell him to defend Corporate America.

Graham patted me on the head (email-wise) about the benefits of Free Trade, Hutchinson didn't even bother to answer. Armey sent me a two-pager, detailing his rationalization on why he would vote China in. Still didn't agree with him but gave him points for not sending a form letter.

As others pointed out, a blind man could see the peril of industrializing China, but then the politicians and their corporate masters were blinded by that chimera, "billions of customers".

20 posted on 08/06/2005 9:49:36 AM PDT by Oatka (Hyphenated-Americans have hyphenated-loyalties -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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