Posted on 08/07/2005 6:25:03 AM PDT by RepublicNewbie
In the "Monkey Trial," 80 years ago, the issue was: Did John Scopes violate Tennessee law forbidding the teaching of evolution? Indeed he had. Scopes was convicted and fined $100.
But because a cheerleader press favored Clarence Darrow, the agnostic who defended Scopes, Christian fundamentalism -- and the reputation of William Jennings Bryan, who was put on the stand and made to defend the literal truth of every Bible story from Jonah and the whale to the six days of creation -- took a pounding.
Putting thoughts into your head? Are you THAT intellectually weak?
Why can't you answer a simple question?
What is bvw afraid of?
When I was in school starting in the forties, religion, creation and any off shoot was not taught in school at all. We started with vocabulary and the scientific method. God was never mentioned.
This is a bad can of worms, this creationism, and its proponents. It doesn't belong in the schools any more than tarot card reading.
People who are enraptured by the lust of fornication do not need rational coherency. They will accept most any incoherent irrational dribble as a philosophical narcotic to fornicate.
The sight of Viking Longboats off our beloved shores.
And I post an example every once in a while.
When Tu-chai-pai made the world, the earth was the woman, the sky was the man. The sky came down upon the earth. The world in the beginning was a pure lake covered with tulles. Tu-chai-pai and his younger brother, Yo-ko-mat-is, sat together, stooping far over, bowed down by the weight of the sky. The Maker said to his brother, "What am I going to do?"
"I do not know," said Yo-ko-mat-is.
"Let us go a little farther," said the Maker.
So they went a little farther and sat down to rest. "Now what am I going to do?" said Tu-chai-pai.
"I do not know, my brother."
All of this time the Maker knew what he was about to do, but he was asking his brother's help. Then he said, "We-hicht, we-hicht, we-hicht," three times. He took tobacco in his hand. and rubbed it fine and blew upon it three times. Every time he blew, the heavens rose higher above their heads.
Younger brother did the same thing because the Maker asked him to do it. The heavens went higher and higher and so did the sky. Then they did it both together, "We-hicht, we-hicht, we-hicht," and both took tobacco, rubbed it, and puffed hard upon it, sending the sky so high it formed a concave arch.
Then they placed North, South, East, and West. Tu-chai-pai made a line upon the ground. "Why do you make that line?" asked younger brother. "I am making the line from East to West and name them so. Now you make a line from North to South."
Yo-ko-mat-is thought very hard. How would he arrange it? Then he drew a crossline from top to bottom. He named the top line North, and the bottom line South. Then he asked, "Why are we doing this?" The Maker said, "I will tell you. Three or four men are coming from the East, and from the West three or four Indians are coming."
The brother asked, "Do four men come from the North, and two or three men come from the South?"
Tu-chai-pai said, "Yes. Now I am going to make hills and valleys and little hollows of water."
"Why are you making all of these things?"
The Maker explained, "After a while when men come and are walking back and forth in the world, they will need to drink water or they will die." He had already made the ocean, but he needed little water places for the people.
Then he made the forests and said, "After a while men will die of cold unless I make wood for them to burn. What are we going to do now?" "I do not know," replied younger brother.
"We are going to dig in the ground and find mud to make the first people, the Indians." So he dug in the ground and took mud to make the first men and the first women. He made the men easily, but he had much trouble making women. It took him a long time. After the Indians, he made the Mexicans and finished all his making. He then called out very loudly, "People, you can never die and you can never get tired, so you can walk all the time." But then he made them sleep at night, to keep them from walking in the darkness. At last he told them that they must travel toward the East, where the sun's light was coming out for the first time.
The Indians then came out and searched for the light, and at last they found light and were exceedingly glad to see the Sun. The Maker called out to his brother, "It's time to make the Moon. You call out and make the Moon to shine, as I have made the Sun. Sometime the Moon will die. When it grows smaller and smaller, men will know it is going to die, and they must run races to try and keep up with the dying moon."
The villagers talked about the matter and they understood their part and that Tu-chai-pai would be watching to see that they did what he wanted them to do. When the Maker completed all of this, he created nothing more. But he was always thinking how to make Earth and Sky better for all the Indians.
fchristian is that you?
Dang, I just hate it when people start using "fornicate" in discussions of science.
At least you know where you stand with Buchanan
Mordor - the Land of Shadow
Non-closed physical systems "evolve" not only due to energy entering, but to the structure and form of that energy.
Ideas evolve. Physical systems, without ideas being inserted into them, do not evolve.
Are you saying that evolution studies make people want to fornicate? And BTW I hate the word fornicate. Can you use a more modern word like "have sex", "make love"
REally?
This has possibilities for our universities. Viagara versus evolution.
"What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?"
Hillary becoming president because of the national embarrassment to the right caused by creationists?
I find that people who want to make "religion" part of the school sytem, they get in over their head. Mention of God doesn't seem to cause many people much trouble. But to teach creation studies as part of Science or as an "option" to science, as someone suggested, makes me wonder,,are we going to end up in a theocratic country with the equivalent of berka wearing. It is disturbing.
You conveniently use terms "closed physical system" and "physical system" interchangeably. Physical systems increase in complexity all the time given added energy, NOT ideas.
It's easy to call someone ignorant without offering any evidence to that fact.
Don't take it personally. They're merely defending the only game in town that is left for them.
It's kind of sad, really - especially since they really do know better
and He Who Must Not Be Named
and The Wraih
They are an unavoidable consequence of the Law of Conservation of Energy as it applies to the Inflationary Epoch of "Big Bang" cosmology.
You may well have read all about the "Big Bang" but it is apparent that virtually everything you've read about it was wrong. Instead of getting your info from the "Pat Buchanan School of Cosmology and Tatooing", I recommend Ned Wright's website:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm#News
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