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What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?
The Post Chronicle | 8\07\05 | Patrick J Buchanan

Posted on 08/07/2005 6:25:03 AM PDT by RepublicNewbie

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To: bvw
I repeat, when you act like a damn fly, I tell you to buzz off. So buzz off. You're a little burrowing insect to attempt to put words in my mouth, thoughts in my head, even. Stick to your own species, Tom the buzz-buzz.

Putting thoughts into your head? Are you THAT intellectually weak?

Why can't you answer a simple question?

What is bvw afraid of?

61 posted on 08/07/2005 9:01:52 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: R. Scott

When I was in school starting in the forties, religion, creation and any off shoot was not taught in school at all. We started with vocabulary and the scientific method. God was never mentioned.

This is a bad can of worms, this creationism, and its proponents. It doesn't belong in the schools any more than tarot card reading.


62 posted on 08/07/2005 9:01:55 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: R. Scott

People who are enraptured by the lust of fornication do not need rational coherency. They will accept most any incoherent irrational dribble as a philosophical narcotic to fornicate.


63 posted on 08/07/2005 9:02:12 AM PDT by forgivenyeah (Evolutionism is a cancer to knowledge)
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To: RepublicNewbie
What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?

The sight of Viking Longboats off our beloved shores.

64 posted on 08/07/2005 9:03:23 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Trimegistus
There are dozens, if not thousands to choose from

And I post an example every once in a while.

Digueño Creation Story

When Tu-chai-pai made the world, the earth was the woman, the sky was the man. The sky came down upon the earth. The world in the beginning was a pure lake covered with tulles. Tu-chai-pai and his younger brother, Yo-ko-mat-is, sat together, stooping far over, bowed down by the weight of the sky. The Maker said to his brother, "What am I going to do?"

"I do not know," said Yo-ko-mat-is.

"Let us go a little farther," said the Maker.

So they went a little farther and sat down to rest. "Now what am I going to do?" said Tu-chai-pai.

"I do not know, my brother."

All of this time the Maker knew what he was about to do, but he was asking his brother's help. Then he said, "We-hicht, we-hicht, we-hicht," three times. He took tobacco in his hand. and rubbed it fine and blew upon it three times. Every time he blew, the heavens rose higher above their heads.

Younger brother did the same thing because the Maker asked him to do it. The heavens went higher and higher and so did the sky. Then they did it both together, "We-hicht, we-hicht, we-hicht," and both took tobacco, rubbed it, and puffed hard upon it, sending the sky so high it formed a concave arch.

Then they placed North, South, East, and West. Tu-chai-pai made a line upon the ground. "Why do you make that line?" asked younger brother. "I am making the line from East to West and name them so. Now you make a line from North to South."

Yo-ko-mat-is thought very hard. How would he arrange it? Then he drew a crossline from top to bottom. He named the top line North, and the bottom line South. Then he asked, "Why are we doing this?" The Maker said, "I will tell you. Three or four men are coming from the East, and from the West three or four Indians are coming."

The brother asked, "Do four men come from the North, and two or three men come from the South?"

Tu-chai-pai said, "Yes. Now I am going to make hills and valleys and little hollows of water."

"Why are you making all of these things?"

The Maker explained, "After a while when men come and are walking back and forth in the world, they will need to drink water or they will die." He had already made the ocean, but he needed little water places for the people.

Then he made the forests and said, "After a while men will die of cold unless I make wood for them to burn. What are we going to do now?" "I do not know," replied younger brother.

"We are going to dig in the ground and find mud to make the first people, the Indians." So he dug in the ground and took mud to make the first men and the first women. He made the men easily, but he had much trouble making women. It took him a long time. After the Indians, he made the Mexicans and finished all his making. He then called out very loudly, "People, you can never die and you can never get tired, so you can walk all the time." But then he made them sleep at night, to keep them from walking in the darkness. At last he told them that they must travel toward the East, where the sun's light was coming out for the first time.

The Indians then came out and searched for the light, and at last they found light and were exceedingly glad to see the Sun. The Maker called out to his brother, "It's time to make the Moon. You call out and make the Moon to shine, as I have made the Sun. Sometime the Moon will die. When it grows smaller and smaller, men will know it is going to die, and they must run races to try and keep up with the dying moon."

The villagers talked about the matter and they understood their part and that Tu-chai-pai would be watching to see that they did what he wanted them to do. When the Maker completed all of this, he created nothing more. But he was always thinking how to make Earth and Sky better for all the Indians.


65 posted on 08/07/2005 9:04:37 AM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: forgivenyeah

fchristian is that you?


66 posted on 08/07/2005 9:05:38 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Line the border with trebuchets.)
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To: R. Scott

Dang, I just hate it when people start using "fornicate" in discussions of science.


67 posted on 08/07/2005 9:06:10 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Soliton
Pat Buchanan was wrong last year, he's wrong today, and he will be wrong next year.

At least you know where you stand with Buchanan

68 posted on 08/07/2005 9:06:13 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (You're not drunk if you can still lie on the ground without holding onto something)
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What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?

Mordor - the Land of Shadow

69 posted on 08/07/2005 9:08:54 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: TomB
Ideas evolve. Closed physical systems do not. When you see a physical system evolving, the natural question that is begged is where are the ideas entering the system.

Non-closed physical systems "evolve" not only due to energy entering, but to the structure and form of that energy.

Ideas evolve. Physical systems, without ideas being inserted into them, do not evolve.

70 posted on 08/07/2005 9:09:28 AM PDT by bvw
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To: forgivenyeah

Are you saying that evolution studies make people want to fornicate? And BTW I hate the word fornicate. Can you use a more modern word like "have sex", "make love"

REally?

This has possibilities for our universities. Viagara versus evolution.


71 posted on 08/07/2005 9:10:05 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow
Pat Buchanan is a good guy. I've met him a few times, and even had him speak to a group at my house for a fund-raiser, but he's in over his head here.
72 posted on 08/07/2005 9:10:48 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: RepublicNewbie

"What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of?"


Hillary becoming president because of the national embarrassment to the right caused by creationists?


73 posted on 08/07/2005 9:11:53 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I find that people who want to make "religion" part of the school sytem, they get in over their head. Mention of God doesn't seem to cause many people much trouble. But to teach creation studies as part of Science or as an "option" to science, as someone suggested, makes me wonder,,are we going to end up in a theocratic country with the equivalent of berka wearing. It is disturbing.


74 posted on 08/07/2005 9:13:21 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: bvw
Ideas evolve. Physical systems, without ideas being inserted into them, do not evolve.

You conveniently use terms "closed physical system" and "physical system" interchangeably. Physical systems increase in complexity all the time given added energy, NOT ideas.

75 posted on 08/07/2005 9:13:28 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: Vaquero
To be fair to Pat (irritating, in and of itself), the Pope never actually required anyone to believe in evolution. The church's position, as I understand it, is that belief in evolution need not be inconsistent with Catholicism.
76 posted on 08/07/2005 9:14:31 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Physicist

It's easy to call someone ignorant without offering any evidence to that fact.


77 posted on 08/07/2005 9:15:22 AM PDT by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: ronnieb
"Interesting, I am new to this argument, but it seems that one is not allowed to challenge "evolution" without getting smeared

Don't take it personally. They're merely defending the only game in town that is left for them.

It's kind of sad, really - especially since they really do know better

78 posted on 08/07/2005 9:15:48 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law overarching rulers and ruled alike)
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To: bobdsmith
What Are The Darwinists Afraid Of? Mordor - the Land of Shadow

and He Who Must Not Be Named

and The Wraih

79 posted on 08/07/2005 9:18:31 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (You're not drunk if you can still lie on the ground without holding onto something)
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To: calex59; TomB; Physicist; RadioAstronomer
where did all the material that forms the planets, the galaxies, the suns, meteorites etc. come from?

They are an unavoidable consequence of the Law of Conservation of Energy as it applies to the Inflationary Epoch of "Big Bang" cosmology.

You may well have read all about the "Big Bang" but it is apparent that virtually everything you've read about it was wrong. Instead of getting your info from the "Pat Buchanan School of Cosmology and Tatooing", I recommend Ned Wright's website:

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm#News

80 posted on 08/07/2005 9:19:30 AM PDT by longshadow
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