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Dreaming of energy independence
San Fancisco Chronicle ^
| 8/7/5
| Debra J. Saunders
Posted on 08/07/2005 8:57:14 AM PDT by SmithL
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posted on
08/07/2005 8:57:15 AM PDT
by
SmithL
To: SmithL
I would go read the rest of the article, because I think I might agree on some points with the author, but...
...I always feel as if I need to wash my keyboard after visiting the SF Chronicle.
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posted on
08/07/2005 9:00:51 AM PDT
by
rlmorel
("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
To: SmithL
"I HAVE a dream: President Bush pushes through a grand compromise -- he bucks Big Oil and Detroit by raising automobile fuel-efficiency standards, while enviros grind their teeth and support oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. "
Apparently opium dens are still legal? What a pipe dream!!
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posted on
08/07/2005 9:27:36 AM PDT
by
Blzbba
(For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
To: SmithL
Just think of the fuel savings if only we'd stop illegal aliens from crossing the border.
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posted on
08/07/2005 9:29:55 AM PDT
by
mtbopfuyn
(Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
To: SmithL
I have a dream Debra - you're a [Expletive Deleted] idiot.
CAFE standards are exactly why people are paying $2.40 a gallon for gas.
To: mtbopfuyn
Wow, proof that any thread can be turned into an illegal alien thread within four posts!
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posted on
08/07/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: SmithL
The administration is concerned, he told me in an interview, about "the unintended consequences of increasing the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards on light vehicles" -- to wit: that higher CAFE standards could cause manufacturers to make lighter, and hence less safe, vehicles. Well, as one who started driving in the '70s, in vehicles dating from the '60s and before, I would have to agree about the net effect of the CAFE standards.
Before anyone fires up the flames, keep in mind that crash survivability in the older vehicles, were one to install air bags, seat belts, and the other modern safety doo dads would be likely to be far better given the greater structural integrity of those older vehicles. I remember children getting in trouble for jumping on the car because they would scratch the paint!
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posted on
08/07/2005 9:38:29 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
To: SmithL
Might be good idea to stop NE libs from burning oil to heat their houses first.
How about CAFE for jet planes, boats, large trucks too?
How about forbidding the use of oil for electrical power?
Oil should be saved for chemicals and cars.
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posted on
08/07/2005 10:38:23 AM PDT
by
John Jamieson
(Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
To: SmithL
Might be good idea to stop NE libs from burning oil to heat their houses first.
How about CAFE for jet planes, boats, large trucks too?
How about forbidding the use of oil for electrical power?
Oil should be saved for chemicals and cars.
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posted on
08/07/2005 10:39:57 AM PDT
by
John Jamieson
(Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
To: SmithL
When the Bobby Kennedy Jr. enviro-whacko crowd throws their Left-leaning weight behind constructing the Cape Wind project and all start driving hybrids, maybe I'll listen (just a little).
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posted on
08/07/2005 10:56:53 AM PDT
by
DTogo
(U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
To: John Jamieson
And electrical generation should be 100 percent coal. Zero natgas.
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:09:38 AM PDT
by
Eric in the Ozarks
(Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
To: Smokin' Joe
We continue to refuse to face the simple fact that we have killed and seriously injured tens of thousands of people with CAFE standards. There are far better ways but so far, big oil/big ethanol, big environment-as-a-fundraiser and big government have done a waltz to subsidize the problems rather than make any actual attempt to solve them; witness the Department of Energy. What have they done?
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:18:17 AM PDT
by
AmericanVictory
(Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:23:02 AM PDT
by
kenth
To: SmithL
amazing.....not one single referance to nuclear power.....which would help drop the price of oil through the floor if we started building nuke power plants.
I'd like to see us exceed france and get nuke power to supply around 85% of our energy needs.
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:23:09 AM PDT
by
Sonny M
("oderint dum metuant")
To: mtbopfuyn
What about all that gas we'd burn chasing after them?
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:23:40 AM PDT
by
kenth
To: SmithL
" he bucks Big Oil and Detroit by raising automobile fuel-efficiency standards.... "
Naaah won't happen.
The Japs would dominate the automobile market quickly...
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:30:59 AM PDT
by
traumer
To: SmithL
ANWR apparently has the ability to provide 1 million barrels a day for some years. 1 Mb/d
US consumption is about 20 Mb/d.
World consumption is nearly 84 Mb/d
World production is nearly 84 Mb/d
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:31:42 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Can coal production be ramped up and coal plants be built fast enough to meet the comiong deficit? Can we afford the investment? Same for nukes, can we get them up and running soon enough to avoid a disjunct in energy production? Can we afford to build the plants in time?
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:34:21 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
To: AmericanVictory
The crying shame is that durability and structural integrity have been sacrificed on the altar of mileage.
Instead of building vehicles which can last for decades, we build throwaway vehicles which must be recycled and replaced.
Does that really save energy in the long run?
I have not seen anyone factor in the energy cost of replacing those vehicles every few years.
All our vehicles are '82 or older and still running fine.
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:42:40 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
To: RightWhale
Ideally production should run apace with consumption or more storage would be required; take out the politics and we could return to a more self-sufficient system.
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posted on
08/07/2005 11:48:57 AM PDT
by
Old Professer
(As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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