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80 liberals each pledge $1 million for alliance
Houston Chronicle ^ | 8-7-2005 | THOMAS B. EDSALL

Posted on 08/07/2005 9:16:15 AM PDT by visagoth

Edited on 08/07/2005 9:26:36 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON - At least 80 wealthy liberals have pledged to contribute at least $1 million each to fund a network of think tanks and advocacy groups, to compete with the potent conservative infrastructure built up during the last three decades.


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Looks like the libs are finally abandoning the democratic party to start some 'think tanks' (obvious oxymoron)... at the same time the dems are making strides to be more 'centrist'.

Looks like an interesting election cycle to come.

1 posted on 08/07/2005 9:16:16 AM PDT by visagoth
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To: visagoth

"Democracy Alliance"?

Souldn't it be called "Socialism Alliance"? Truth in advertising, after all.


2 posted on 08/07/2005 9:17:27 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: visagoth

But of course what the Left does isn't "thinking", it's "feeling".


3 posted on 08/07/2005 9:17:52 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Free Michael Graham!)
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To: visagoth

This'll last until Soros & Bing walk in and write checks for $80 million. After that (election '06), it'll go the way of Americans Coming Together.


4 posted on 08/07/2005 9:18:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: visagoth
"A fool and his money are soon parted.  What I want to know is how they got together in the first place."
5 posted on 08/07/2005 9:18:53 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Every evil which liberals imagine Judaism and Christianity to be, islam is.)
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To: visagoth
Right After they bail out Air America..


6 posted on 08/07/2005 9:18:55 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: thoughtomator
But of course what the Left does isn't "thinking", it's "feeling".

I was going to put that in my comments as well... hit the post button too fast.

You are exactly correct. These should be called: Feel Tanks. It would accompany all the lib goodness in two-words.

7 posted on 08/07/2005 9:19:55 AM PDT by visagoth (If you think education is expensive - try ignorance)
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To: visagoth

That's not enough money. Send more and I'll give them the name and address to make the check out to.


8 posted on 08/07/2005 9:20:35 AM PDT by Thebaddog (How's yer dawgs?)
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To: visagoth

Seems like a millionaire liberal box social, Thats 80 Mil...Mil...MILLON


9 posted on 08/07/2005 9:22:20 AM PDT by Zenith1138
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To: babyface00
It could only be about imposing wider socialism.

If it was about helping people they'd take that 80 million and . . . help people!

80 million would buy a lot of beans and rice.

80 million would build lots of apartment buildings

80 million would pay for a lot of doctor's visits

80 million would cover the cost of sterilization for people who should not be having children.
10 posted on 08/07/2005 9:22:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: visagoth

One. There are already some liberal think tanks and foundations - like Brookings, the Rand (usually), the Ford, Rockefellar and Carnegie foundations and many others. I guess they are not liberal enough for the new Dean-wing running the party.

Two. It won't make any difference. Lying with the data/research is no different than lying on the oped page and sooner or later the amount of money you spend spinning the lies brings diminishing returns.

Three. You can expect 99% of the money to be spent on learning better ways to present the lies of the left and and ways to try harder to hide the fact that they are lies.


11 posted on 08/07/2005 9:22:39 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: visagoth

Question: How are conservatives like Wal-Mart?

Answer: Wal-Mart gradually built up an infrastructure by figuring out how to serve those marginal groups and areas other retailers had ignored in favor of the "commanding heights" of the economy. In the process, they learned how to produce more efficiently and by the time they went into direct competition against the flabby mainstream guys, they blew them off the map.

Conservatives were systematically shut out of the "commanding heights" of the intellectual and media ecosystem. They were forced to go back to basic principles and learn how to organize and promote their ideas anyway.

Meanwhile, liberals lounged around, comfortable in their exclusive control of what would be discussed in the national conversation. With what seems like great suddenness, they lost this control and have been floundering ever since.

It's just not fair.


12 posted on 08/07/2005 9:22:54 AM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: visagoth
Pyramid scheme.
13 posted on 08/07/2005 9:23:06 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: visagoth

Give grudging credit where some credit is due. Perhaps these think tanks will act to moderate the flaming liberal agenda. Hillary Clinton already is trying to position herself in the Great Moderate Center of America. I suspect that this recent move is due to Bill and Hallary's influence. The next election will be very interesting!


14 posted on 08/07/2005 9:25:33 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: visagoth

They just don't get it, thankfully. The Dems still believe that if they can just get their message out better to the American people, they will win. The problem is that they are still stuck in the 60's and 70's and have no positive agenda or original ideas. It's the message, stupid,.


15 posted on 08/07/2005 9:26:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: visagoth

Multi-million dollar 527s failed, now they're raising millions for another approach....how about admitting your ideas are WRONG!


16 posted on 08/07/2005 9:27:14 AM PDT by eagle11
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To: visagoth; rmlew
The left owns most to the academic department in universities. 80 million dollars for an additional think tank won't do much for the left. The reason conservative think tanks have been so influential is that they have been populated by people who had been shut out of academia for their ideology. A handful of conservative think tanks have funded the work of scholars who otherwise wouldn't have been able to pursue scholarship.
17 posted on 08/07/2005 9:27:25 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Scrappleface's take:
Democrats Raise $80 Million to Fund 'Thinking'
by Scott Ott

(2005-08-07) -- In a novel approach for the Democrat party, a group of left-leaning investors said it has raised $80 million in pledges to fund thinking, in hopes that thought and actual policies might be the secret to victory in coming elections.

The dramatic reversal of strategy comes not from the Democrat National Committee (DNC) itself, but from a group of 80 wealthy progressives who each pledged $1 million in an effort to emulate the conservative think-tanks which have developed during the past three decades.


18 posted on 08/07/2005 9:28:02 AM PDT by filbert ("We don't have enough people to protect us from Bears in New Jersey!" -- Ann Coulter)
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To: babyface00

Souldn't it be called "Socialism Alliance"? Truth in advertising, after all.
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Don't let this subterfuge fool you. They (especially the FAR LEFT) ARE HARD SOCIALISTS... and they will attempt to create the "mother of all LIES" -- TO GET YOU TO VOTE FOR THEM!!!


19 posted on 08/07/2005 9:28:05 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Wuli
Good points. This one interests me:
Three. You can expect 99% of the money to be spent on learning better ways to present the lies of the left and and ways to try harder to hide the fact that they are lies.

One thing that has changed is the presence of the 'blogosphere', and the rapid deconstruction (nee Fisking) of much of their rhetoric. The MSM has been blindsided by this phenomenon, and their dwindling viewship and increasing reliance of people getting their news from the web.

I don't think the libs 'feel tanks' will do too well, because of the bloggers influence.

Their lies get deconstructed almost as fast as they are presented.

20 posted on 08/07/2005 9:28:48 AM PDT by visagoth (If you think education is expensive - try ignorance)
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To: visagoth

This is impossible. The Dems represent the poor. How can they have that many millionaires willing to donate such $$$???

Oh yea, even the old Soviet Union and China have their wealthy communists. They find it important to keep a group of rich, well fed, caviar eating, cigar smoking, limo riding, people to take care of the poor.

I am sure that these folks consider this an investment in their future if the party ever comes to power.


21 posted on 08/07/2005 9:29:27 AM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: visagoth

Hard to believe the anti-capitalists have that much money to donate to this cause. I have to wonder where they stole it from.


22 posted on 08/07/2005 9:30:09 AM PDT by Peach
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To: kabar

Oh, how I hope they get their message out! The more they get it out, the nearer we are to the end of the Democratic Party. If, as some say, there is something in the American (or the human) psyche that favors a two-party system, why can't it be Republican and---anything realistic, but not Democratic party!


23 posted on 08/07/2005 9:30:17 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: visagoth
Millions and millions and millions and millions and now they say, "Eureka, we've figured it out!! We need to be just like you!!!!!"

Pardon me, but LOL!

Does this qualify as a "Liberal Epiphany?" More LOL!!

24 posted on 08/07/2005 9:30:43 AM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
"A fool and his money are soon parted. What I want to know is how they got together in the first place."

Capitalism.

25 posted on 08/07/2005 9:32:29 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: visagoth

Actually , the BIG LIE has already started...since any "THINKING" that the libs might do, is NOT about America, is NOT about what America needs, is NOT about a non-selfish agenda for America, is NOT about the citizens of America....IT WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT HOW TO REGAIN POWER AND CONTROL. NOTHING else. A socialist by any other name...


26 posted on 08/07/2005 9:33:09 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: ex-Texan

> Perhaps these think tanks will act to moderate
> the flaming liberal agenda.

Not a chance. The fundamental problem is that their
agenda has never changed, but today, they can no longer
disguise it. They can't get past that they used to be
able to fool the voters.

The welcome news here is that this cash won't be used
for campaign ads and/or frivolous lawsuits. It's just
badly needed lib lucre down the drain.

The left owns most of the existing "think tanks", and
essentially ALL of the universities and colleges.
Only "delusion" explains why they think this new
cesspool effort will make any difference at all, when
the existing swamps are failing to.


27 posted on 08/07/2005 9:37:07 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: visagoth
Big article in our local red rag,

"the tide is changing!",

"with the right candidate and the right resources, you can win any seat",

"I predict 2006 is going to be one of the best Democrat elections of all time".

All this from Dems who LOST their last elections.

28 posted on 08/07/2005 9:37:11 AM PDT by digger48
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To: babyface00
Souldn't it be called "Socialism Alliance"? Truth in advertising, after all.

I've always been amused how the least democratic countries name themselves.

Peoples' Republic of China......

German Democratic Republic(East Germany)...

Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)...

Republic of Cuba.

Anytime left-wingers desecrate words like freedom and democratic it turns my stomach!!

29 posted on 08/07/2005 9:38:40 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Wuli

New think tanks? The libs already have People for the American Way, the 20th Century Fund, The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, Economic Policy Institute, Center for Law and Politics, and in addition to those you mentioned you have the so-called human rights Organizations, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Washington Office for Latin America. Then there is a plethora of academic and legal organizations.

The money collected is actually for other things: the elitist gazilloionaires believe they should run the country, and their out to try.


30 posted on 08/07/2005 9:38:44 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: visagoth

I'd say it was throwing good money after bad, but their money isn't good, either.

Kinda brought public education to mind; they keep doing the wrong stuff, and when it doesn't work they ask for more money to keep doing the wrong thing. That's also very close to the definition of insanity.

The $80 mil is probably for travel, lodging, and meals for their elite "thinkers". There won't be much thinkin' goin' on.


31 posted on 08/07/2005 9:39:04 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: visagoth

As if there wern't already the Ford, Rockefeller, McArthur, etc., etc., etc. foundations, the "major" networks, the "MSM", Hollywood, etc. to counter all we poor, evil conservatives.


32 posted on 08/07/2005 9:41:51 AM PDT by garyhope (Islamofascism wants the death of Western civilization. Simple as that.)
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To: Wuli
One. There are already some liberal think tanks and foundations - like Brookings, the Rand (usually), the Ford, Rockefellar and Carnegie foundations and many others.

Don't forget all the universities that are doing "progressive" research.

The fact that they are bringing all of these resources to bear and are still getting nowhere should tell them something.

33 posted on 08/07/2005 9:43:04 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Intelligent design is self evident)
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To: visagoth

If you start out with a Yugo and then spend $80 million to advertise it, does the Yugo become more appealing?


34 posted on 08/07/2005 9:45:14 AM PDT by adorno (The democrats are the best recruiting tool the terrorists could ever have.)
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To: visagoth
"Among the lessons learned was that to bring back the progressive majority in this country is not just a periodic election investment strategy."

A comment and a disappointment.

The comment is, like everything else, the liberal "progressives" equate persuasive debate with throwing money at a problem. I support this 100% : )
I am disappointed that the expected list of 80 would be presented in order for:

a) the losers to see the intellectual powerhouses behind the movement and
b) to strike fear into the conservative minds for the same reason.

35 posted on 08/07/2005 9:46:25 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: visagoth

> Looks like the libs are finally abandoning the democratic party...

Really. That's $80M that won't be spent trying (not) to elect Hillary or Democratic congressmen.

I imagine a leftwing think tank would be like sitting around with a bunch of college professors..."That Shrub Bush, man..(inhale)..such a..(exhale)..like, Hitler, man..."


36 posted on 08/07/2005 9:47:44 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: Psycho_Bunny

The operate through the New Democracy Network (www.ndn.org) and the New Politics Institute. Unlike most legitimate think tanks whose transparency is taken for granted, it is very difficult to discern through their own website who is funding this operation, who is on the board, etc.


37 posted on 08/07/2005 9:48:15 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: BenLurkin

They rationalize it by thinking that they're spending the $80 Million to get power, where they can give the poor billions (of our money)


38 posted on 08/07/2005 9:49:05 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (When can we stop pretending that the Left doesn't by and large hate America?)
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To: Thebaddog
That's not enough money. Send more and I'll give them the name and address to make the check out to.

How many billions will it take to neutralize spontaneous and self-sustaining talk radio and blogs throwing out an endless supply of facts and error corrections?

39 posted on 08/07/2005 9:53:34 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: visagoth

I think they are pretty much admitting they have no ideas at this point and that they are intellectually bankrupt.


40 posted on 08/07/2005 9:54:17 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The story is true" - Dan Rather)
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To: visagoth
At least 80 wealthy liberals have pledged to contribute at least $1 million each to fund a network of think tanks and advocacy groups

Will these members of the howling dog left actually honor their pledge? Did Ted Turner ever actually follow through on his pledge to give a billion to the UN?

41 posted on 08/07/2005 9:55:11 AM PDT by Milhous
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To: visagoth
The Lib's should just keep pushing & shoving their social/environmental "icon" Ted Turner!

He has quite a way to go with his 1 BILLION Dollar Social- Engineering "promised donation" to the Liberals Crown Jewel H.Q. of Socialism- The United Nations!

THAT GODless, anti-Semitic, anti-capitalist, Liberal Elite Country Club has been THEIR #1 "Think Tank" for decades! ........ COME ON you 'RAT bastards, GROW a pair and put your money where you really want it to go! .......

That is if your SILL not afraid of showing just who you really are !

42 posted on 08/07/2005 9:58:18 AM PDT by austinmark (Torture? Koran abuse? ... I'd Rather Be A Koran In Gitmo THAN A Bible in Saudi Arabia !!!)
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To: BenLurkin
Come on BenLurkin. You know the taxpayer dupes pay for all those "social feel good" programs. These limp wristed Marxist Socialist keep their money spread amongst themselves. They don't give any away to the plantation servants. ;)



43 posted on 08/07/2005 9:58:41 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: Wuli
re: You can expect 99% of the money to be spent on learning better ways to present the lies of the left )))

nah. Most of the money is going to get snorted up some guy's nose...

44 posted on 08/07/2005 9:59:03 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: visagoth

Stink Tank?


45 posted on 08/07/2005 9:59:46 AM PDT by msnimje
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To: Restorer

Thanks for posting this excellent summary how the libs are losing.

"Question: How are conservatives like Wal-Mart?

Answer: Wal-Mart gradually built up an infrastructure by figuring out how to serve those marginal groups and areas other retailers had ignored in favor of the "commanding heights" of the economy. In the process, they learned how to produce more efficiently and by the time they went into direct competition against the flabby mainstream guys, they blew them off the map.

Conservatives were systematically shut out of the "commanding heights" of the intellectual and media ecosystem. They were forced to go back to basic principles and learn how to organize and promote their ideas anyway.

Meanwhile, liberals lounged around, comfortable in their exclusive control of what would be discussed in the national conversation. With what seems like great suddenness, they lost this control and have been floundering ever since.

It's just not fair."




46 posted on 08/07/2005 10:00:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: visagoth

Why does it cost $80M for some dudes to sit around and "think" and debate. That's what the UN is for.

Those silly liberals.


47 posted on 08/07/2005 10:01:27 AM PDT by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: visagoth


Seems like therapy and prozac would be cheaper for'em. IMHO.


48 posted on 08/07/2005 10:04:52 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Soylent Green is People!")
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To: babyface00
The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"; Making rich Liberals poor, one million at a time.

I have to think of how Reagan outspent the Russians, because OUR system could afford to outspend their system.

49 posted on 08/07/2005 10:07:14 AM PDT by 50sDad (Star Trek Tri-D Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: visagoth

Hmmmmm?? $80 million less for donations to candidates .. how smart was that ..??


50 posted on 08/07/2005 10:14:14 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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