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Rare Island Birds Threatened by 'Super Mice'
Reuters ^
| July 27, 2005
| Ed Stoddard
Posted on 08/08/2005 4:32:18 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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This is a really weird story with a lot of different aspects on which one might comment. I will chose "ecologically naive" which may actually describe Europe after 50 years of peace. It is almost like a very large number of the people here live on an island and cannot recognize danger when confronted with it.
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I always find it interesting that the biggest proponents of evolution are always the ones that complain the most bitterly as it takes its course.
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posted on
08/08/2005 4:38:22 AM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Somehow, this all has to be Bush's fault.
/sarc
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posted on
08/08/2005 4:39:16 AM PDT
by
Abathar
(Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"No comment."
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posted on
08/08/2005 4:45:03 AM PDT
by
JRios1968
(Will work for a tagline.)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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posted on
08/08/2005 4:46:37 AM PDT
by
Shazbot29
(Light a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day; light him on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life)
To: Rodney King
I always find it interesting that the biggest proponents of evolution are always the ones that complain the most bitterly as it takes its course.Yes - I noticed the "evolved" statement too. Of course, the kids of many Asian families that immigrated to the U.S. "evolved" into bigger than norm in the first generation due to abundant food and quality medical care.
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posted on
08/08/2005 4:49:28 AM PDT
by
trebb
("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
To: Rodney King
That is a fairly astute point and actually brings up a very strange contrast.
Advocates of evolution tend to be less reliant on "God" as the divine being who makes things happen. He did not put us here, nor did He make us custodians of the planet.
From their perspective humans are part of nature and there is nothing more to it.
Logic would entail that, aside from those necessary for our own self-preservation and improvement, humans have no stake in other species survival. In fact, as part of nature, the evolution of a species whose capacities and habits lead to the extinction of others is a bit part of macro-evolution.
Now, proponents of creationism would naturally believe that God made humans custodians of the planet. He created all the creatures and gave us responsibility for them.
Wouldn't logic dictate that people who espouse this belief should be the ones most upset when human action leads to extinction?
Strangely it appears to be the other way around. Why do you think that is?
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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posted on
08/08/2005 4:56:17 AM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
To: trebb
Umm, how is that not evolution?
If humans continue to receive unlimited supplies of nutrients, expecially calcium and fats, they continue to get larger. That is direct Darwinian adaptation.
It is no wonder that the first people to truly domesticate cows on a large scale are also the world's tallest. Or have you never been to the Netherlands or Scandinavia?
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Wouldn't logic dictate that people who espouse this belief should be the ones most upset when human action leads to extinction? Strangely it appears to be the other way around. Why do you think that is? I'm not sure, but I think the reason is that human beings have in innate craving for God, and those that deny the one true God are often drawn to another form of worhsip. Most who deny the one true God do so because their own pride and faith in themselves keeps them from having faith in something that they cannot physically touch, see, and hear. The result is that they wind up worshipping the greatest thing tangible thing of beauty in the world, which is the earth itself. Thus they have substituted mother nature for God, and made the "environment" their religion.
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:12:22 AM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: Rodney King
Thus they have substituted mother nature for God, and made the "environment" their religion. I am all for montheism, but it does not seem like you are aware of the fact that humans, for most of our history, did worship the "environment". There are an awful lot of humans who still do so in an organized fashion. Only Western religions are as you describe.
Also, it seems to me that you failed to answer the question about why those who do worship God seem so careless about His creation sometimes.
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I am all for montheism, but it does not seem like you are aware of the fact that humans, for most of our history, did worship the "environment". There are an awful lot of humans who still do so in an organized fashion. Only Western religions are as you describe. Oh, I am aware of that, I think it butresses my point that in the absense of God, people go for the most tangible thing of beauty - mother nature.
Also, it seems to me that you failed to answer the question about why those who do worship God seem so careless about His creation sometimes.
That I can't help you with - I don't know.
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:23:15 AM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: Rodney King
On the other hand, one could make the case that those who cannot find a "raison dêtre" in the physical world must look for it externally, by finding or creating religion.
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:24:46 AM PDT
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: Rodney King
To: Gondring
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:30:01 AM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
The rapacious rodents gnaw into the bodies of the defenceless and flightless chicks, leaving a gaping wound that leads to an agonising death. Scientists say once one mouse attacks the blood seems to draw others to the feast. Land piranha.
Would some cats help the situation out?
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:31:46 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
All in a Mouse's Night...There I was with my back to the wall,
Then comes this monster mouse, he's ten feet tall,
With teeth and claws to match.
It only took one blow.
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:43:48 AM PDT
by
BufordP
("I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel!"--Zell Miller)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
This is because many birds that have evolved on isolated islands with no predators have become what biologists term "ecologically naive" -- meaning they do not recognise danger from other animals. Darwin at work.
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:53:35 AM PDT
by
wbill
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted on
08/08/2005 5:55:25 AM PDT
by
Fury
To: Gondring; Rodney King
those who cannot find a "raison dêtre" You completely deligitimize yourself at FR whenever you use French. May I suggest the German equivalent "Existenzberechtigung".
It is longer but not nearly as weenie sounding.
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