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To: HangnJudge

That's correct, you cannot explain (in western logical
empirical ways) some phenomena by incorporating that same
phenomena in the explanation.

If all(and I mean ALL) of your thoughts, emotions, perceptions,
etc. can be explained by the movements/interactions/"essence"/
emergence of the physical universe how do you know those
thoughts, emotions, and perceptions are in any way TRUE?

If all(and I mean ALL) of your thoughts/emotions/perceptions(TEP) are a product
of the random fluctations of newtonian/quantum physical
processes, then how do you know if your TEPs about the
physical processes themselves are TRUE? If indeed, your TEPs about
the physical processare are CAUSED by the physical processes
themselves, then there can be no such thing as a proof.
You have proven that there is no such thing
as a proof!!! Which is absurd.

Obviously there is something "other" than the physical. Call it
a "soul" or "consciousness" or "being" but it's not
physical and I believe it cannot be explained ever by any
physical process. Unfortunately, that fact will lead some
to believe that there is no such thing as physical reality,
which can get you into trouble while using a flame thrower
to light your cigarette.


6 posted on 08/09/2005 5:52:31 PM PDT by Getready ((...Fear not ...))
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To: Getready
I prefer to believe that the presence of Reason in our thoughts is one piece of evidence of miracle in our lives
8 posted on 08/09/2005 6:02:25 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Getready
If all(and I mean ALL) of your thoughts/emotions/perceptions(TEP) are a product of the random fluctations of newtonian/quantum physical processes, then how do you know if your TEPs about the physical processes themselves are TRUE?

As explained by your last paragraph, it is simple. If too many of your TEPs about physical process are false, you cease to exist.

I see no logic in your random thoughts.

Randomness is clearly limited and bounded. This is how the universe has order. You may see something mystical about this, but it by no means is obvious to me.

13 posted on 08/09/2005 7:19:40 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Getready
"...then how do you know if your TEPs about the physical processes themselves are TRUE?"

That's almost like the cosmos creating man from itself so that it can view itself... with awe and wonder.
27 posted on 08/09/2005 11:15:13 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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