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Parental Rights vs. Public Schools
Fox News ^ | August 10, 2005 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 08/10/2005 8:04:45 AM PDT by vrwc0915

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To: Tax-chick

Yeppers....I thought it was junior high...THANKS!!!!


41 posted on 08/10/2005 8:38:07 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: vrwc0915

I have actually had a great deal of success in dealing with these sensitive issues in our public school system. Before my son even entered his mandatory "Health" class, I spoke with the teacher, went over the curriculum, and asked to be given the dates on which certain matters-and speakers-would be presented. I was treated with respect and kept fully abreast of all activities. Though the curriculum was abstinence based, they had a guest speaker come in to speak about contraception. The teacher email me a week before, honored my request for my son to be excluded, and insured that he was excluded discreetly so as to to make his absence the center of attention. I always felt as if they really appreciated my involvement. Apparently, my experience was the exception rather than the rule.


42 posted on 08/10/2005 8:38:13 AM PDT by irishlass
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To: Still Thinking
if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't be liberals

That's an important point :-). I think the GED is pretty much under the radar as far as NEA is concerned. (Egad - it actually tests knowledge and skills, even if at a basic level!)

And anyway, the average GED candidate (over 20 years old, after all) is likely to be perfectly aware of the existence of homosexuality, and be either indifferent or disgusted - at any rate, resistant to influence. It's not the same as forcing the agenda on 5-year-olds.

43 posted on 08/10/2005 8:39:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Txsleuth

You're welcome. You could probably find some of the original news articles if you searched FR hard enough. It was quite a big topic for a while.


44 posted on 08/10/2005 8:40:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Txsleuth
Anyway, what I am getting at is----I wouldn't be too quick to assume the schools can't/wouldn't do this stuff.

I'm not saying they wouldn't try to do this or that they might not already be doing so, and I certainly wouldn't put anything past Gray "Vladimir Il'ich" Davis. I'm just venting my outrage that they would be so presumptuous as to even try to adjust attitudes of their employers as the goal of legislation.

45 posted on 08/10/2005 8:42:03 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Nevernow

You forgot to mention that the school nurse can make the decisions about your daughter having an abortion without any consultation with you, the parent, whatsoever.


46 posted on 08/10/2005 8:42:54 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: vrwc0915

The nerve parents actually think they have some say in their kids education!
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As a "past" veteran parent, who was sucsessful at removing several teachers from employment because of their socialist teachings, rantings and gross incompetency, I can say to some extent, that the complacency of parents has not helped the socialist take-over of the government school system. What we see here is just another of many examples of the arrogance, the leftist attitude that, after so many years of being protected and pandered to by leftists in government and the unions, has run amuck.

Parents need to reclaim their control over the government education system OR FIGHT FOR VOUCHERS, or just refuse to pay taxes for education, which is a HUGE percentage of state-level taxation. Personally, after going through what I went through, here in the state of California, I would NEVER PUT MY CHILDREN into a socialist-run government school at any price. NEVER!



47 posted on 08/10/2005 8:43:48 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Tax-chick
And anyway, the average GED candidate (over 20 years old, after all) is likely to be perfectly aware of the existence of homosexuality, and be either indifferent or disgusted - at any rate, resistant to influence. It's not the same as forcing the agenda on 5-year-olds.

Good point, I hadn't thought it all the way through.

48 posted on 08/10/2005 8:45:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Tax-chick
I've seen some reports on the NEA's proposals ...

Got a link?

49 posted on 08/10/2005 8:48:02 AM PDT by YHAOS (Western morons are more dangerous than Islamic lunatics)
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To: B4Ranch

"You forgot to mention that the school nurse can make the decisions about your daughter having an abortion without any consultation with you, the parent, whatsoever."

The school counselor can bully your kid into it, too.

Honestly, my parents sacrificed SO much to put me and my siblings through Catholic school...and I will never be able to thank them enough. I'm only 18, but I still recognize what it took for them to send me to a school where they could keep tabs on my education.


50 posted on 08/10/2005 8:48:16 AM PDT by Nevernow ("No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: YHAOS

Sorry, I just remember seeing a mention on FR. I don't even recall any larger context.


51 posted on 08/10/2005 8:50:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: vrwc0915

Go to www.article8.org for all the original info on this story! You get to read the actual documents between the school and Mr. Parker.


52 posted on 08/10/2005 8:51:16 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: vrwc0915
But the real issue is whether parents or schools will control the teaching of values to children

This is the first principle of childhood education which is violated by compulsory attendance laws and tax-funding of gov't schools only. Our current system of schooling is fundamentally immoral.

53 posted on 08/10/2005 8:53:02 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: B4Ranch

Ah---yes, they have been fighting that fight in Florida for sure..

BUT, you better not let your child take a Tylenol for a headache..or he/she could get suspended for "drug use".


54 posted on 08/10/2005 8:58:52 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Free Republic is #1!!!!!)
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To: HungarianGypsy
This is what I do: Look for opportunities to ride the school bus-there are quite a few if you look for them. I take my children to book fairs at the local public school, so they can see what a school looks like and every once in awhile I have a full day of school. That means get up- get ready and do school all day until 3:00- then drive around for a bit as tho we were on a school bus ride- then go home and do homework-then free play around 4:30.

Since my oldest plays with and interacts with public school children a good deal in the neighborhood, different clubs and in Boy Scouts- he is not that mystified about what public school kids are like-And he knows that recess is only 1/2 hour for the kids who are lucky enough to get it (We play at the playground until we are ready to go home). I let him pick out some of the neato school lunch meals he sees at the grocery store and we have lunch together with a bunch of homeschool kids at least twice a month- and we include special hostess goodies!!!

The other day he said to me,"Mom, if school is that great then why do all of the kids I know get so happy for vacation and a day off?"

Good question, huh?

My oldest son knows that if he is interested in attending school, he may- but the rule is not until high school.

I ask him every so often if he wants to to go to school in a school building and he always say no, not now. He also has a bunch of friends who want to be homeschooled, but their parents can't do it for lots of different reasons- so he thinks he is lucky.

55 posted on 08/10/2005 9:05:06 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Txsleuth
"What about Catholic schools...."?

Where Catholic priests walk the halls....hmmmm. May not be such a good idea either.

56 posted on 08/10/2005 9:07:30 AM PDT by NetValue (No enemy has inflicted as much damage on America as liberals.)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Gotta grind out some articles here, they're piling up! More on the reprehensible case of a father arrested for trespassing while in the school disagreeing with homosexual indoctrination of his child.

Time to rip, snatch, grab your kids out of government schools. It isn't that hard to homeschool - there are many resources available. Homeschooled kids are the future of this country in many ways.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


57 posted on 08/10/2005 9:08:43 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: irishlass
I have actually had a great deal of success in dealing with these sensitive issues in our public school system.

Same here. We make a point of bringing up these issues and reviewing the lesson subject matter at the beginning of the year with our children's teachers. Anything that doesn't fit our idea of what the school has a right to teach our kids is flagged, and appropriate changes to the curriculum and/or our child's presence are made. The response we've received has been one of respect and to-the-letter compliance every time. In most cases the teacher is only too happy to help.
58 posted on 08/10/2005 9:15:22 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior
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To: AZConcervative

ditto for me also.


59 posted on 08/10/2005 9:16:08 AM PDT by WoodstockCat (Gitmo? Let them eat Pork!)
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To: vrwc0915

He's right about the difference between tolerance and acceptance. If these perverts want tolerance, I'll give them just as much as I give any other american. No more, no less. If they want my acceptance of Pride parades, their sexual proclivities, and the teaching to kids that gay sex is normal , well they may have to wait. Exactly when is hell scheduled to freeze over?


60 posted on 08/10/2005 9:16:44 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think that's tough, try losing a testicle in a knife fight with your mother!)
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