Posted on 08/10/2005 11:25:50 AM PDT by JZelle
What's next? Inviting Tom Cruise to give the Scientologist viewpoint?
Thanks for not answering my question.
I don't care if Wicca is a religious sect or not, although I doubt you know what you are talking about.
Possible Interest ping.
Wow you're opinion of Wiccans is amazing. You may be right about a lot of the qualities you listed but you are wrong aboput one thing - They ARE a religous sect. They just believe in a different invisible magical entity than you.
A Cult does not a religion make.
There is no stifling. No one seems to have a problem with a moment for personal prayer.
Abolishing group prayer by elected representatives is logical?
Yes, because if you allow a Christian prayer, how do you keep from allowing a Muslim prayer? A Jewish prayer? A Hindu prayer? And, if you allow those, where does it stop? Wiccan? Satanic?
"I don't care if Wicca is a religious sect or not, although I doubt you know what you are talking about."
Not knowing what I'm talking about has never stopped me before. I'm just a guy who hates hippies.
If you want to allow prayer in government, then where in the Constitution does it allow you to deny any religion the right to have their prayer included?
The Constitution, for good or for ill, was constructed during a time when, rightly or wrongly, its framers considered that we had arrived at an age in which most reasonable men would accept at least the deistic concept of a just (but remote) God, and perhaps the theistic idea of a just and directly-involved God. It had not entered their heads to believe that educated people would embrace ancient, abandoned creeds of tree-and-star-worship any more than they would revive the sacrifice of bulls to Mithras, or the tossing of infants into the fires of Moloch. They beleived in the onward march of human progress (a rather newish idea at the time) and the innate decency and sanity of human beings. They really believed that humans, freed from oppression, would reveal their inner, truly good selves. They did not count on the spite and bile that would erupt later, spit in the faces of these assumptions, and use the very mechanisms of the Constitution to pee on the sort of nation that the Constitution was intended to produce.
Civilized people of good will do not have to spell out the obvious. Those who cannot or will not see the obvious regard the absence of explicit prohibition as permission.
Or something.
HEY!!!! Don't know the Cherry Garcia until you try it. :-)
Oooh Logic. This should be interesting. You might want to put on two suits.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
This doesn't fly. Using this logic, based on freedom of speech, I could argue that everyone who wants to has a right to testify before any congressional committe which invites people to appear and testify for or against any pending issue. I mean, it isn't fair to let some give their opinion to congress and not others if we have freedom of speech - congress would be discriminating against my point of view. No one should buy such a stained interpetation of freedom of speech nor should they buy the same strained interpetation of the establishment clause.
"They just believe in a different invisible magical entity than you."
Actually, I'm Agnostic. There may be a "magical entity" out there, maybe not. I don't know. As I said before, I'm just a guy who hates hippies.
My point is that it's not going to stop with the Koran.
Since all religions are equally valid, all will have to be accepted.
Scientology, wiccan, the religion you just invented this morning.
All of them.
Hail Odin...
" My point is that it's not going to stop with the Koran."
Why should it? Swear on whatever you feel like, you still under the threat incarceration if you lie.
" wiccan, the religion you just invented this morning."
OK, you lost me on that, I have no idea what you mean.
You still do not answer my question.
I know one Wiccan, and although I do not know much about their religion, I do know that she is a law-abiding, moral and decent person. She doesn't toss babies into fire. She is civilized. So, I'm not sure how a Wiccan wanting to pray at a public meeting pees on the Constitution. Please enlighten me.
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